Pistons-Blazers (10pm)

[Uncle Mxy]

Ivey will be great moving forward. He gets a lot of criticism here because he's not performing like an All Star halfway through his rookie season, but all the skills are there.

I'm not sure that the coaching is there. Either Burks needs to start a few games, or Ivey otherwise needs to be given a shorter leash. I think Ivey can do fine, but I'm not sure a season of tank ball with low accountability is a great path. I suspect Ivey's mom would say the same thing.

[DetroitSho]

Oh I am shocked. That Jerami Grant guy is pretty good and should be worth more than a very late 1st and raw cap space. Who would've thought that...

Without trading Grant we don't get Duren though, so have to take that into account. Grant looks nice right now but in 3 years time he will be on a contract around 30M/yr and likely declining, while Duren will still be on a rookie deal and much better than the already impressive player we have seen.

So you believe Grant was the only way we had to acquire a very late 1st round pick? Because we paid Raw cap space (not a lot) and a very bad 1st for Duren. We had cap space even if we kept Grant, so the only asset we needed was that future Milwaukee 1st.

How tf is a lottery pick a very late first?

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[MortSahlfan]

Longest game. It was awful... I wish Ivey would stop blaming other teammates for HIS mistakes.

[bstein14]

Without trading Grant we don't get Duren though, so have to take that into account. Grant looks nice right now but in 3 years time he will be on a contract around 30M/yr and likely declining, while Duren will still be on a rookie deal and much better than the already impressive player we have seen.

So you believe Grant was the only way we had to acquire a very late 1st round pick? Because we paid Raw cap space (not a lot) and a very bad 1st for Duren. We had cap space even if we kept Grant, so the only asset we needed was that future Milwaukee 1st.

How tf is a lottery pick a very late first?

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The Blazers gave us the Bucks 2025 first round pick for Jerami Grant. They made out pretty good on that trade, but also Detroit used that asset and cap space to get Duren so they also made out pretty good. As I mentioned previously, Detroit could probably get Grant back if they really want to pay up a large amount for him. Portland I believe is going up for sale soon because the team is currently a part of the Allen estate so they might not be in a position to go big into the luxury tax at the moment.

[vege]

Detroit used that asset and cap space to get Duren so they also made out pretty good.

I disagree but whatever. The trade was not Grant for Duren. We were robbed in the Grant trade, and we could use him in our team, in fact any NBA team could use him.

[bstein14]

Detroit used that asset and cap space to get Duren so they also made out pretty good.

I disagree but whatever. The trade was not Grant for Duren. We were robbed in the Grant trade, and we could use him in our team, in fact any NBA team could use him.

You are correct that we didn't get enough for Grant based on how he is playing this year. Look at what Minny gave up for Gobert and Grant would have been a much better piece for them on that roster to pair with KAT IMO. I think part of the reason we traded him and didn't get much was because he wanted a $112 million extension. It's also why the Jazz reportedly had a hard time getting value for Bojan... because he wanted an extension as well.

Part of what Weaver must have wanted in that trade was the extra cap space that Portland could offer by absorbing his contract with a trade exception. You'd have to imagine we would have gotten a better pick(s) if we took on salary back in a deal as well.

[NYPiston]

I disagree but whatever. The trade was not Grant for Duren. We were robbed in the Grant trade, and we could use him in our team, in fact any NBA team could use him.

They don't get Charlotte's pick if they don't have the Milwaukee pick so if Grant wasn't traded, they don't get Duren unless you think there was some other asset that could bring in a mid 1st round pick. I'm looking at the Pistons and I don't see one, do you?
The fact of the matter is that Weaver turned Grant into Duren through multiple trades. I know you hate to give him credit but that's what happened, it's not disputable.

Also, Grant is playing far better this season than he played in his Pistons tenure, far more efficient.

[bstein14]

I disagree but whatever. The trade was not Grant for Duren. We were robbed in the Grant trade, and we could use him in our team, in fact any NBA team could use him.

They don't get Charlotte's pick if they don't have the Milwaukee pick so if Grant wasn't traded, they don't get Duren unless you think there was some other asset that could bring in a mid 1st round pick. I'm looking at the Pistons and I don't see one, do you?
The fact of the matter is that Weaver turned Grant into Duren through multiple trades. I know you hate to give him credit but that's what happened, it's not disputable.

Also, Grant is playing far better this season than he played in his Pistons tenure, far more efficient.

They probably would have had no problem getting a mid first round pick for Bey last year.... he had a really strong finish after a horrible start to last season and he had a 51 point game. It's very probable that Charlotte would have just traded #13 straight up for Bey. The reason they didn't want to keep both #13 and #15 was because they were trying to make the playoffs(not just the play-ins) and didn't feel like it was wise to have two rookies in the rotation.

[MortSahlfan]

Did they just say DMitch had 71? Damn lol

and we drafted Luke Kennard, also a guard...

[MortSahlfan]

Jerami played efficiently in every season with any team.... except the Pistons..... When you have the worst defense, it means the opposing defense is constantly set. Young guys only have a shot if they play faster.

Hami does everything, even scoring a lot, efficiently, with very little playing time, and not knowing when he's going to play. So he doesn't shoot 3's well. Most of our team can't shoot a 3, and can't do anything else.

[Mr Peanut]

Oh I am shocked. That Jerami Grant guy is pretty good and should be worth more than a very late 1st and raw cap space. Who would've thought that...

Without trading Grant we don't get Duren though, so have to take that into account. Grant looks nice right now but in 3 years time he will be on a contract around 30M/yr and likely declining, while Duren will still be on a rookie deal and much better than the already impressive player we have seen.

So you believe Grant was the only way we had to acquire a very late 1st round pick? Because we paid Raw cap space (not a lot) and a very bad 1st for Duren. We had cap space even if we kept Grant, so the only asset we needed was that future Milwaukee 1st.

Grant wasn't the only way, but with our roster last season there was no other player that was going to net us a first rounder without giving up a piece of our young core like Bey or Stewart. I agree with you in principle - the return at the time for Grant was underwhelming and most of us on this board weren't happy about it. But when the asset transpired to bring us Duren and you realise one doesn't happen without the other then you accept it and move on.

[vege]

Detroit used that asset and cap space to get Duren so they also made out pretty good.

I disagree but whatever. The trade was not Grant for Duren. We were robbed in the Grant trade, and we could use him in our team, in fact any NBA team could use him.

You are correct that we didn't get enough for Grant based on how he is playing this year. Look at what Minny gave up for Gobert and Grant would have been a much better piece for them on that roster to pair with KAT IMO. I think part of the reason we traded him and didn't get much was because he wanted a $112 million extension. It's also why the Jazz reportedly had a hard time getting value for Bojan... because he wanted an extension as well.

Part of what Weaver must have wanted in that trade was the extra cap space that Portland could offer by absorbing his contract with a trade exception. You'd have to imagine we would have gotten a better pick(s) if we took on salary back in a deal as well.

We turn that cap space into Noel (who never plays for us) and Burks, who's good but nothing spacial (compared to Grant). The Grant trade was really bad for us.

[vege]

But when the asset transpired to bring us Duren and you realise one doesn't happen without the other then you accept it and move on.

I disagree but that's fine.

[Kalamazoo317]

I didn't want to trade Grant either, but I don't think he was ever going to play this efficiently on the Pistons. At least we got Duren and Bojan.

[vege]

I didn't want to trade Grant either, but I don't think he was ever going to play this efficiently on the Pistons. At least we got Duren and Bojan.

We could have Duren, Bojan AND Grant.