Political Roundtable Part XXXI

[FAH1223]

McCarthy doesn't have the votes to be Speaker after a 4th failed vote.

Maybe Scalise does. If he doesn't, there's gonna be some consensus pick with Dems sliding over and getting some concessions i.e. committee spots, DEBT CEILING, and probably no government shutdowns next year when the omnibus spending that just passed in December 2022 finishes out.

McCarthy might just end up being the Majority Whip in that case..

[pancakes3]

any dem that slides over based on promises of concessions is an idiot.

straight up dumb to still sincerely believe GOP lip service to re: any substantive policy. any dem shift would be purely based on behind-the-scenes, non-culture-war stuff like committee assignments. especially w a guy like unabashed election denier scalise.

if you don't think R's will use gov't shutdown to score political points leading into 2024, then you have no business being in congress. there are more machiavellian kindergarteners out there that can see through the bullspit. Even if he double-pinky-swore that he would, Scaliese Daddy ain't gonna take you to McDonalds if you promise to be a good boy, not if it means he can score political points leading up to an election year. That's not how ish works.

let the R's keep failing in their votes. Sit in their sh*t. the default answer is that Dems in good conscience cannot vote for an election denier, which is absolutely fair, and not even partisan. it's that simple. what's the narrative pushback? Hannity calls dems obstructionists because they won't vote for an election denier to be speaker? lol. ok. run with that. it's really shouldn't be a hard ask. if you can't build that consensus, you're really going to trust these other magical down-the-road concessions?

silly stupid baby stuff going on. this isn't even checkers.

[pancakes3]

Desantis/Santos ticket! Perfect replacement for Trump - keep the momentum going.

It is kind of a logical progression of the process that got the GOP to the party of Trump.

And now I read House GOP is going to dismantle the Office of Congressional Ethics

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/01/04/house-republicans-congressional-ethics-office/

about this Rubin writes

The MAGA majority’s current plan to gut the OCE is telling. As Norman Eisen, who served as ethics counsel in the Obama administration, observed, “When there is a change of control in a branch of our government, incoming leaders usually like to signal their commitment to ethics as the first order of business. But the new House GOP majority is doing the exact opposite.” They might see the tactic as a short-term solution to shield Republican members from ethics investigations, but, as Eisen notes, “the Republican caucus is inviting more corruption in their ranks.”

Consider the case of George Santos, the New York Republican entering Congress with a litany of scandals. Do Republicans really want to make it easier for the habitual liar to remain in their midst? “Maybe that’s the point,” Eisen muses. But that would undoubtedly come back to haunt them. The caucus — which includes a number of members who have expressed sympathy for insurrectionists and the promotion of the “big lie” that the 2020 election was stolen — is not one to take the oath of office seriously. Asking Republicans to exercise personal restraint is like asking a tiger to go vegan.

shambles. just like bonscott predicted.

[dckingsfan]

It is kind of a logical progression of the process that got the GOP to the party of Trump.

And now I read House GOP is going to dismantle the Office of Congressional Ethics

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/01/04/house-republicans-congressional-ethics-office/

about this Rubin writes

The MAGA majority’s current plan to gut the OCE is telling. As Norman Eisen, who served as ethics counsel in the Obama administration, observed, “When there is a change of control in a branch of our government, incoming leaders usually like to signal their commitment to ethics as the first order of business. But the new House GOP majority is doing the exact opposite.” They might see the tactic as a short-term solution to shield Republican members from ethics investigations, but, as Eisen notes, “the Republican caucus is inviting more corruption in their ranks.”

Consider the case of George Santos, the New York Republican entering Congress with a litany of scandals. Do Republicans really want to make it easier for the habitual liar to remain in their midst? “Maybe that’s the point,” Eisen muses. But that would undoubtedly come back to haunt them. The caucus — which includes a number of members who have expressed sympathy for insurrectionists and the promotion of the “big lie” that the 2020 election was stolen — is not one to take the oath of office seriously. Asking Republicans to exercise personal restraint is like asking a tiger to go vegan.

shambles Nitwits. just like bonscott predicted.

Just helping.

[Pointgod]

McCarthy doesn't have the votes to be Speaker after a 4th failed vote.

Maybe Scalise does. If he doesn't, there's gonna be some consensus pick with Dems sliding over and getting some concessions i.e. committee spots, DEBT CEILING, and probably no government shutdowns next year when the omnibus spending that just passed in December 2022 finishes out.

McCarthy might just end up being the Majority Whip in that case..

The only consensus pick from the Democrats should be Hakeem Jeffries and they’ll give some concessions to the Republicans. In reality there’s no way the Republicans will work with Democrats. Just imagine the Fox News and Donald Trump sound bites if that happened. The party is full of arsonists that have boxes themselves into being dysfunctional.

[Pointgod]

Jesus Lauren Boebert is such a god damn moron. 500 votes could have saved the country from that embarrassment

[Zonkerbl]

what's even more delightful about this is that the current chaos is a result of the GOP underperforming in the elections because of the Dobbs overreach. Would love to see that decision result in the complete implosion of the Republican party. We'll see how close they get to armageddon. Got my popcorn! Couldn't happen to more horrible people!

[Pointgod]

what's even more delightful about this is that the current chaos is a result of the GOP underperforming in the elections because of the Dobbs overreach. Would love to see that decision result in the complete implosion of the Republican party. We'll see how close they get to armageddon. Got my popcorn! Couldn't happen to more horrible people!

Hopefully 2024 finishes the job. Republicans need to be locked out of the halls of power for the next two decades. Then maybe they’ll finally get the hint.

[Zonkerbl]

I think the 20 Jan 6 traitors voting against McCarthy should put their money where their mouth is and leave the Republican Party.

[Pointgod]

Read on Twitter

[pancakes3]

McCarthy doesn't have the votes to be Speaker after a 4th failed vote.

Maybe Scalise does. If he doesn't, there's gonna be some consensus pick with Dems sliding over and getting some concessions i.e. committee spots, DEBT CEILING, and probably no government shutdowns next year when the omnibus spending that just passed in December 2022 finishes out.

McCarthy might just end up being the Majority Whip in that case..

The only consensus pick from the Democrats should be Hakeem Jeffries and they’ll give some concessions to the Republicans. In reality there’s no way the Republicans will work with Democrats. Just imagine the Fox News and Donald Trump sound bites if that happened. The party is full of arsonists that have boxes themselves into being dysfunctional.

well imagine the Fox and Trump soundbites if R's won the House but let D become speaker.

[dobrojim]

McCarthy doesn't have the votes to be Speaker after a 4th failed vote.

Maybe Scalise does. If he doesn't, there's gonna be some consensus pick with Dems sliding over and getting some concessions i.e. committee spots, DEBT CEILING, and probably no government shutdowns next year when the omnibus spending that just passed in December 2022 finishes out.

McCarthy might just end up being the Majority Whip in that case..

Scalise, David Duke without the baggage. That's his own (self) description.

[dobrojim]

I guess the question actually comes down to who in their right mind would
want to be Speaker of this (majority GOP) Congress. The proper answer
is nobody that should be anywhere near 2nd in line to become POTUS.

[Zonkerbl]

Read on Twitter

[Pointgod]

Read on Twitter

Kevin Mcarthy should show up to the next vote in a gimp mask and gag ball since it seems like he enjoys this punishment. I repeat Democrats should not bail him out unless it ends on speaker Jeffries.

[Zonkerbl]

Hamlin is conscious but still on the respirator, was able to ask questions via a pad of paper. His first question, "Did we win?"

[dobrojim]

What is the Vegas line on # of elections to get next Speaker?

[Pointgod]

What is the Vegas line on # of elections to get next Speaker?

https://www.oddschecker.com/us/insight/specials/politics/20230104-speaker-of-the-house-odds-kevin-mccarthy-favored-but-steve-scalise-closing-in

[Pointgod]

McCarthy doesn't have the votes to be Speaker after a 4th failed vote.

Maybe Scalise does. If he doesn't, there's gonna be some consensus pick with Dems sliding over and getting some concessions i.e. committee spots, DEBT CEILING, and probably no government shutdowns next year when the omnibus spending that just passed in December 2022 finishes out.

McCarthy might just end up being the Majority Whip in that case..

The only consensus pick from the Democrats should be Hakeem Jeffries and they’ll give some concessions to the Republicans. In reality there’s no way the Republicans will work with Democrats. Just imagine the Fox News and Donald Trump sound bites if that happened. The party is full of arsonists that have boxes themselves into being dysfunctional.

well imagine the Fox and Trump soundbites if R's won the House but let D become speaker.

Looks like they’ve put themselves on a no win situation. But a D speaker of the House doesn’t mean any legislation is getting passed but it would mean that Democrats would set the rules and legislative agendas. I also assume the committees would be lead by Dems or 50/50 which is really what Republicans care about anyway.

[Zonkerbl]

let them fight