2023 NBA Draft

[clyde21]

i love Andre Jackson.

that is all.

[azcatz11]

How about all of the Mali centers? Senogo, Ballo, there are a few others.

[The-Power]

i love Andre Jackson.

that is all.

We should form an Andre Jackson fan club. He deserves it.

[EvanZ]

i love Andre Jackson.

that is all.

How high would you draft him?


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[EvanZ]

Any Sion James fans?

[clyde21]

i love Andre Jackson.

that is all.

How high would you draft him?


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tough call, most likely 30-45 range, maybe a little higher depending on team fit, and I'd love to see him go to a team that'll give him the Josh Giddey treatment, actually allow him to play on-ball despite some shooting/scoring deficiencies, just gives you so much juice everywhere else that it wouldn't discourage me much from not giving him a shot there even as a secondary ballhandler.

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Very curious about this Cedric Coward. Anyone familiar with this guy?

[EvanZ]

i love Andre Jackson.

that is all.

How high would you draft him?


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tough call, most likely 30-45 range, maybe a little higher depending on team fit, and I'd love to see him go to a team that'll give him the Josh Giddey treatment, actually allow him to play on-ball despite some shooting/scoring deficiencies, just gives you so much juice everywhere else that it wouldn't discourage me much from not giving him a shot there even as a secondary ballhandler.

Ah ok, thought your "love" was translating to something much higher. I don't have any issue taking him in this range.

[CptCrunch]

Have I written about how I really love Scoot as a prospect? I might draft him over Wemby if I were the GM picking first.

Mainly guard hite rate is really high up the lotto. He has all the traits of a good guard. The only thing that can derail him is multiple injuries and/or bad head (which we don't know about)

The hit rate on big is much lower (injury concerns, naturally panning out). Obviously Wemby's ceiling is much higher.

The third best player this year is basically a turd sandwhich. It makes me want to puke looking at all the mocks with Amen Thompson at #3. Smith/Miller/Black/Dick/George/Whitehead are all poo-poo compared to these two based on pre-draft projections.

[The-Power]

Mainly guard hite rate is really high up the lotto.

Is it really? Let's look at all Guards (PG or CG) picked in the top 5 over between 2012 and 2019.

2012: #3 Beal – hit
2012: #4 Waiters – miss
2013: #2 Oladipo – ambivalent
2014: #5 Exum – miss
2015: #2 Russell – rather miss
2016: #1 Simmons – ambivalent
2016: #5 Dunn – miss
2017: #1 Fultz – miss
2017: #2 Ball – ambivalent
2017: #5 Fox – hit (after a while)
2018: #1 Doncic – hit
2018: #5 Young – hit
2019: #2 Morant – hit
2019: #5 Garland – hit

So the hit rate has been great over the last two years but before that it has been pretty much hit and miss (and more often miss). It's too early to draw conclusions about the 2020-2022 drafts.

Meanwhile if we look at clear bigs during the same period:

2012: #1 Davis – hit
2012: #5 Robinson – miss
2013: #4 Zeller – miss
2013: #5 Len – miss
2014: #3 Embiid – hit
2015: #1 Towns – hit
2015: #3 Okafor – miss
2015: #4 Porzingis – ambivalent
2018: #1 Ayton – ambivalent
2018: #2 Bagley – miss
2018: #4 Jackson Jr. – ambivalent
2019: #1 Zion – rather hit (unless injuries completely derail him)

Not too much of a difference. What stands out is that the prospects that were widely considered elite have a pretty high hit rate. 3 of the 4 #1 picks are hits, and the fourth one was not worthy of the top pick but still an easy lottery pick in a re-draft. Embiid was very clearly considered a #1 prospect if not for injury concerns, and he also lived up to the hype and then some.

In other words, if there is a big man prospect that absolutely looks like a top-tier talent prior to the draft – odds are still good that he will turn into a franchise player.

[clyde21]

how is he 18

[clyde21]

lol wut?

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[clyde21]

AJ Storr is a name to keep an eye, most likely not a 23 guy but maybe a transfer candidate, pretty solid physical pro and highly efficient albeit very low volume, not sure why he's not seeing more mins tbh, possibly a situation where a coach just refuses to play younger cats for whatever reason but he's been taking advantage of most of his opps so far

we'll see if his role grows this season or not, if not obviously a next year watch list guy but profile+archetype r intriguing.

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[SeattleJazzFan]

duke getting destroyed by nc state. but at least scheyer has been forced to free dwh go since everybody else is garbage.

[crows2]

Have I written about how I really love Scoot as a prospect? I might draft him over Wemby if I were the GM picking first.

I hate when people say something like this. You wouldn’t, because you’d value your job security too much. The simple fact is if you draft Wemby but Scoot turns out better, no one can blame you. But if you draft Scoot first and Wemby becomes an all-time great, you’d be the first to lose your job (and rightly so).

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lol @ those highlights. what a joke of a league ote is. but good for amen and ausar - no chance of their stock taking a hit playing there.

[buzzkilloton]

Have I written about how I really love Scoot as a prospect? I might draft him over Wemby if I were the GM picking first.

I hate when people say something like this. You wouldn’t, because you’d value your job security too much. The simple fact is if you draft Wemby but Scoot turns out better, no one can blame you. But if you draft Scoot first and Wemby becomes an all-time great, you’d be the first to lose your job (and rightly so).

If Troy Weaver the Pistons GM drafts Wemby and he gets a serious injury and Scoot is the next great pg hes going to be fired as well. Not that he made the wrong decision moreso you only have so many years as a GM to build a winning team in most cases.

Another point on this is no one would simply take Scoot over Wemby. You would trade Wemby for pick 2 and a haul of other stuff. It would be like when the Magic traded Webber for Penny and 3 first rounders.

[clyde21]

Have I written about how I really love Scoot as a prospect? I might draft him over Wemby if I were the GM picking first.

I hate when people say something like this. You wouldn’t, because you’d value your job security too much. The simple fact is if you draft Wemby but Scoot turns out better, no one can blame you. But if you draft Scoot first and Wemby becomes an all-time great, you’d be the first to lose your job (and rightly so).

If Troy Weaver the Pistons GM drafts Wemby and he gets a serious injury and Scoot is the next great pg hes going to be fired as well. Not that he made the wrong decision moreso you only have so many years as a GM to build a winning team in most cases.

Another point on this is no one would simply take Scoot over Wemby. You would trade Wemby for pick 2 and a haul of other stuff. It would be like when the Magic traded Webber for Penny and 3 first rounders.

no one will get fired for taking Wemby first regardless of outcome

just like no one would've gotten fired for taking Zion first.

[azcatz11]

I hate when people say something like this. You wouldn’t, because you’d value your job security too much. The simple fact is if you draft Wemby but Scoot turns out better, no one can blame you. But if you draft Scoot first and Wemby becomes an all-time great, you’d be the first to lose your job (and rightly so).

If Troy Weaver the Pistons GM drafts Wemby and he gets a serious injury and Scoot is the next great pg hes going to be fired as well. Not that he made the wrong decision moreso you only have so many years as a GM to build a winning team in most cases.

Another point on this is no one would simply take Scoot over Wemby. You would trade Wemby for pick 2 and a haul of other stuff. It would be like when the Magic traded Webber for Penny and 3 first rounders.

no one will get fired for taking Wemby first regardless of outcome

just like no one would've gotten fired for taking Zion first.

How high are you on the Thompson twins? Are you releasing your mock anytime soon? I saw it hasn’t been updated since early December