Around The League: 2021-2022 Season 2.0

[Negrodamus]

While I get the allure of Joe, I will say any player on our team can put up 24 points on a given night. It’s the consistency and efficiency which separates guys from being starters and buried on the bench. Joe lacked consistency while here imo. Still hope he balls out for OKC or wherever he goes.

When Joe played more than 13mins he averaged 41% from 3 in his first year and 37% from 100 attempts the second.

It wasn’t consistency it was Doc.

He was bad from three last year regardless of the minutes he received. And it wasn't like he was good on defense either.

[mjkvol]

Look at my comment above. It was Doc. Youngsters just need playing time duh. He had zero leash which is asinine. He’s put on size too.

Shot 41% and 37% when playing more than 13 mins. That’s better than anything Korkmaz has ever done yet he’s still on the list for some reason.

We have nothing with Springer because what is the plan for him?

Sixers FO are a bunch of clowns. Why does every other team find playing time for developing players but us.

This x 1000.

[Negrodamus]

I don't really understand the Raptors team. What's the point in keeping Siakam since they are not going to compete. I feel like a natural trade would be a Towns-Siakam swap.

Siakam would give the T'Wolves an actual PF slasher who would open the floor for shooters. KAT gives a guy like Barnes a stretch 5. And Nurse probably gets Towns back to being an elite big after regressing these past few years.

Both need a fresh start elsewhere.

[GoSixersBro]

Speaking of the Raps, they were down to Milwaukee 79-95 with 1:50 left in the fourth and just forced OT.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I don't really understand the Raptors team. What's the point in keeping Siakam since they are not going to compete. I feel like a natural trade would be a Towns-Siakam swap.

Siakam would give the T'Wolves an actual PF slasher who would open the floor for shooters. KAT gives a guy like Barnes a stretch 5. And Nurse probably gets Towns back to being an elite big after regressing these past few years.

Both need a fresh start elsewhere.

Call me crazy, but I think Siakam is the better player between him and Towns. He so versatile and can play three positions on the floor. He defends better than Towns as well. Whatever though...I like Pascal's game a lot. He's basically another version of Giannis. He attacks similar to the way both Giannis and Williamson do at the basket. Now I know he's not quite in their tier of forward, but he's damn close and an all star player and certainly a capable second option on a contending team. I like Towns, but his defense is terrible and he's basically only really his best at one position. Like I said, not disagreeing or anything here, just talking basketball. Siakam...Despite him being on Toronto (who I hate) is one of my favorite players in the game.

[76ciology]

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It’s hilarious that the Wolves traded away a younger, cheaper version of Gobert in that trade. God it hurts my soul how bad that deal was.

I think the problem was they overpaid.
Who are they bidding against?

Naz Reid is also one big for the Wolves who could have been decent with KAT. There’s no need to trade for Gobert

[76ciology]

I don't really understand the Raptors team. What's the point in keeping Siakam since they are not going to compete. I feel like a natural trade would be a Towns-Siakam swap.

Siakam would give the T'Wolves an actual PF slasher who would open the floor for shooters. KAT gives a guy like Barnes a stretch 5. And Nurse probably gets Towns back to being an elite big after regressing these past few years.

Both need a fresh start elsewhere.

Raptors built their entire team around Siakam and Wolves built their entire team around KAT.

Raps run a Spurs type system with more length and better switchability, which allows guys like OG and Siakam to look better than what they really are

Wolves run a double big unit. Double big only works if you have a strong PG-SG play like the Jazz or Cavs. Wolves will be fine if they have Garland and Mitchell or Maxey and Harden or Haliburton and Nembhard or CP3 and Booker over DLo, Edwards and McDaniels. Wolves have the weakest playmaking at the G position thats why they’re struggling.

[76ciology]

yeah I am more mad at the fact that we have an open roster spot than Joe the player.

he got chances last year and never delivered really

Look at my comment above. It was Doc. Youngsters just need playing time duh. He had zero leash which is asinine. He’s put on size too.

Shot 41% and 37% when playing more than 13 mins. That’s better than anything Korkmaz has ever done yet he’s still on the list for some reason.

We have nothing with Springer because what is the plan for him?

Sixers FO are a bunch of clowns. Why does every other team find playing time for developing players but us.

If you play Joe, then who do you bench him over?
Melton?

Atleast Thybulle is a guy you can insert for defensive purposes like how we would replace Maxey with Thybulle if we need defense on crunch time in defensive situations

I think Milton would be better than Joe for Milton can shoot like Joe, but is a better playmaker and defender. Milton is also more reliable in the playoffs because of his experience.

If you ask me, the problem is FO preferring Jaden Springer and another thing is not wanting to add size at the 4 position.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I don't really understand the Raptors team. What's the point in keeping Siakam since they are not going to compete. I feel like a natural trade would be a Towns-Siakam swap.

Siakam would give the T'Wolves an actual PF slasher who would open the floor for shooters. KAT gives a guy like Barnes a stretch 5. And Nurse probably gets Towns back to being an elite big after regressing these past few years.

Both need a fresh start elsewhere.

Raptors built their entire team around Siakam and Wolves built their entire team around KAT.

Raps run a Spurs type system with more length and better switchability, which allows guys like OG and Siakam to look better than what they really are
.

Just in regards to Siakam, if you do feel that way, then what's his secret recipe if we're talking strictly from an offensive standpoint? To me he has the entire bag and scores very similar to how Giannis and Zion do. I just don't see too many flaws in his game offensively other him maybe not being a great three point shooter..Then again neither are Zion or Giannis. In fact, I'm gonna say that Siakam is actually the better three point shooter of the three. Again, I'm not comparing talent level to those two, I'm talking strictly on offense. How exactly does he look better than he actually is? I just don't see it. That guy is a star player. Not someone I'm building an entire roster around, but can you imagine him paired with Embiid with both of them in their prime? IDK, maybe I'm higher on Siakam than most?

[76ciology]

I don't really understand the Raptors team. What's the point in keeping Siakam since they are not going to compete. I feel like a natural trade would be a Towns-Siakam swap.

Siakam would give the T'Wolves an actual PF slasher who would open the floor for shooters. KAT gives a guy like Barnes a stretch 5. And Nurse probably gets Towns back to being an elite big after regressing these past few years.

Both need a fresh start elsewhere.

Raptors built their entire team around Siakam and Wolves built their entire team around KAT.

Raps run a Spurs type system with more length and better switchability, which allows guys like OG and Siakam to look better than what they really are
.

Just in regards to Siakam, if you do feel that way, then what's his secret recipe if we're talking strictly from an offensive standpoint? To me he has the entire bag and scores very similar to how Giannis and Zion do. I just don't see too many flaws in his game offensively other him maybe not being a great three point shooter..Then again neither are Zion or Giannis. In fact, I'm gonna say that Siakam is actually the better three point shooter of the three. Again, I'm not comparing talent level to those two, I'm talking strictly on offense. How exactly does he look better than he actually is? I just don't see it. That guy is a star player. Not someone I'm building an entire roster around, but can you imagine him paired with Embiid with both of them in their prime? IDK, maybe I'm higher on Siakam than most?

Dribble drive creates little separation/advantage that allows Siakam to look like a better player on 1v1.

Let’s say they just dump the ball to him, like how we do it with Embiid, he’s gonna struggle going straight up with some match-ups.

But they run this dribble drive with lengthy, athletic and decent triple threat guys that when Siakam gets the ball his defender is a step behind because the defender gravitated to the dribble drive.

Its kind of what we did with JJ running on the left side of Ben where if Ben’s defender gravitates to JJ, Ben has a clearer path tot he right for a straight line drive.

If Siakam is denied, he’d spin on the other side or just do a push off.

While Raps have multiple ways to decrease your PnR and 1v1 actions with Barnes at the ball handler and Achiuwa or their big switching.

So in a nutshell, you have Embiid trying to score against Achiuwa or Barnes IN POSITION at the elbow VERSUS Siakam scoring against Tobias OUT OF POSITION. The entry pass to Biid at the elbow/post has a higher TO rate than the pass off the drive to Siakam.

Then they have the length of extra opportunities off forcing TOs and OREBs, to make up for the talent gap and ISO ppp differences.

Thats why we struggled against Raps despite having a more talented team.

[76ciology]

Individually, ive mentioned this on this board and the Raps board.

Siakam
- strong drive to the left, spin to the right
- strong drive to the left, push off/euro step

He is adding the drive left, step back fadeaway, which is making him an improve scorer

Tobi did a good job just by forcing him left, which lead him to struggle most of the series.

I also mentioned here in 2019, that the way to defend Siakam is putting Embiid at him, which we did and it limited Siakam on offense. But it allowed us to be outrebounded by a lot because we had to put Tobias on Gasol and they run a Ibaka-Siakam-Gasol at the 3-4-5, which they can because Ben was a non floor spacer. All this did was clog the paint for Jimmy and Biid

[DCasey91]

yeah I am more mad at the fact that we have an open roster spot than Joe the player.

he got chances last year and never delivered really

Look at my comment above. It was Doc. Youngsters just need playing time duh. He had zero leash which is asinine. He’s put on size too.

Shot 41% and 37% when playing more than 13 mins. That’s better than anything Korkmaz has ever done yet he’s still on the list for some reason.

We have nothing with Springer because what is the plan for him?

Sixers FO are a bunch of clowns. Why does every other team find playing time for developing players but us.

If you play Joe, then who do you bench him over?
Melton?

Atleast Thybulle is a guy you can insert for defensive purposes like how we would replace Maxey with Thybulle if we need defense on crunch time in defensive situations

I think Milton would be better than Joe for Milton can shoot like Joe, but is a better playmaker and defender. Milton is also more reliable in the playoffs because of his experience.

If you ask me, the problem is FO preferring Jaden Springer and another thing is not wanting to add size at the 4 position.

You don’t have to bench anyone, it’s the regular season. There’s bloody thousand of minutes to go around. We are sh*t at developing players and the only ones that have are completely self motivated.

[76ciology]

Look at my comment above. It was Doc. Youngsters just need playing time duh. He had zero leash which is asinine. He’s put on size too.

Shot 41% and 37% when playing more than 13 mins. That’s better than anything Korkmaz has ever done yet he’s still on the list for some reason.

We have nothing with Springer because what is the plan for him?

Sixers FO are a bunch of clowns. Why does every other team find playing time for developing players but us.

If you play Joe, then who do you bench him over?
Melton?

Atleast Thybulle is a guy you can insert for defensive purposes like how we would replace Maxey with Thybulle if we need defense on crunch time in defensive situations

I think Milton would be better than Joe for Milton can shoot like Joe, but is a better playmaker and defender. Milton is also more reliable in the playoffs because of his experience.

If you ask me, the problem is FO preferring Jaden Springer and another thing is not wanting to add size at the 4 position.

You don’t have to bench anyone, it’s the regular season. There’s bloody thousand of minutes to go around. We are sh*t at developing players and the only ones that have are completely self motivated.

Easy to say “thousand of minutes to go around” but think it through.

Play Joe over who?

Its the coaching’s fault, if you are the Lakers when Joe’s value is high because of him being a shooter. But we have alot of shooters on this team. Milton is a better shooter. Furkan also is probably (this guy has won as game winning 3s). Niang is a PF.

It’s the FO’s fault (stash play), which im leaning towards, which is to cut Springer and hold unto Joe.

Springer has no use. I’d even prefer to have Tacko Fall than Springer atleast Fall is a guy you can insert if you need a rebound off the FT, a lob threat or to make it harder for the inbounder to pass in late game situations

[DCasey91]

Dude Korkmaz is not a better shooter than Joe. Doc is a crap coach that’s all.

[Negrodamus]

I still don’t really get the outcry over Joe. He had one good game as a starter, has been fine as a 10-15 mpg guy off the bench on one of the worst teams in the league. I liked Wroten and Ish Smith, but I get that they aren’t legitimate contributors on contenders.

Not saying Joe can’t be, but he’s a 6’4 volume shooter with minimal ability to create and pretty exploitable on defense. At least Springer can be a positive on both sides of the ball (and is actually elite on defense).

[Negrodamus]

I don't really understand the Raptors team. What's the point in keeping Siakam since they are not going to compete. I feel like a natural trade would be a Towns-Siakam swap.

Siakam would give the T'Wolves an actual PF slasher who would open the floor for shooters. KAT gives a guy like Barnes a stretch 5. And Nurse probably gets Towns back to being an elite big after regressing these past few years.

Both need a fresh start elsewhere.

Call me crazy, but I think Siakam is the better player between him and Towns. He so versatile and can play three positions on the floor. He defends better than Towns as well. Whatever though...I like Pascal's game a lot. He's basically another version of Giannis. He attacks similar to the way both Giannis and Williamson do at the basket. Now I know he's not quite in their tier of forward, but he's damn close and an all star player and certainly a capable second option on a contending team. I like Towns, but his defense is terrible and he's basically only really his best at one position. Like I said, not disagreeing or anything here, just talking basketball. Siakam...Despite him being on Toronto (who I hate) is one of my favorite players in the game.

I don’t disagree and they are not far off in age either. It’s more of positional fit and a fresh start than getting exactly correct value. Siakam has been consistently great while Towns has had arguably a higher peak.

It’s clear the Raptors want to build around Scottie who occupies the same type of position (and flaws as a shooter) as Siakam. Might as well fully stretch the floor out with Town and OG (and Boucher when he’s in) to maximize his offensive ability.

[youngcrev]

I don't really understand the Raptors team. What's the point in keeping Siakam since they are not going to compete. I feel like a natural trade would be a Towns-Siakam swap.

Siakam would give the T'Wolves an actual PF slasher who would open the floor for shooters. KAT gives a guy like Barnes a stretch 5. And Nurse probably gets Towns back to being an elite big after regressing these past few years.

Both need a fresh start elsewhere.

Towns can't be traded until the off-season.

I think what would have made the most sense would be the Gobert package going to Toronto for Pascal. Does either team say no to that if they had a time machine?

Swapping the two is interesting, but they'd also be an awesome compliment to one another.

[Kobblehead]

Siakam moves his feet really well, but his overall defensive contributions have been really bad these days. That, in conjunction with his shooting ability regressing, is the reason Toronto wants to get out of that deal.

His next team will DEFINITELY ask him to dial back his scoring so he can dedicate his energy to making sure his defensive compete level picks up and he takes better shots from three.

[Kobblehead]

Just saw a headline that Jonathan Isaac still has no timetable for a return. I legitimately forgot about that dude.

[Mik317]

I don't think he even like basketball like that