2023 NBA Draft

[clyde21]

If Troy Weaver the Pistons GM drafts Wemby and he gets a serious injury and Scoot is the next great pg hes going to be fired as well. Not that he made the wrong decision moreso you only have so many years as a GM to build a winning team in most cases.

Another point on this is no one would simply take Scoot over Wemby. You would trade Wemby for pick 2 and a haul of other stuff. It would be like when the Magic traded Webber for Penny and 3 first rounders.

no one will get fired for taking Wemby first regardless of outcome

just like no one would've gotten fired for taking Zion first.

How high are you on the Thompson twins? Are you releasing your mock anytime soon? I saw it hasn’t been updated since early December

probably 12-16 range as it stands today but very fluid on them, still need to see more.

[buzzkilloton]

I hate when people say something like this. You wouldn’t, because you’d value your job security too much. The simple fact is if you draft Wemby but Scoot turns out better, no one can blame you. But if you draft Scoot first and Wemby becomes an all-time great, you’d be the first to lose your job (and rightly so).

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no one will get fired for taking Wemby first regardless of outcome

just like no one would've gotten fired for taking Zion first.

It depends on where the team is at and how long the GM has been there. If a GM has been on a team 3-4 years and the team isnt getting it done and then you miss a pick like Scoot vs Wemby or Durant vs Oden they'll get fired within 2 seasons. Its really really hard and takes alot of losing and luck to get in a position to draft these kind of guys in most cases. Fans and owners are already frustrated on many tanking teams.

Now with a GM like Dumars when he drafted Darko and the team was good despite it being a terrible decision he has tons of room. Not every GM is in the same position. A new GM will have room to miss on a top pick but it really depends and a miss can cost a job even if everyone agrees on said pick.

[clyde21]

disagree, GMs will get fired for a sequence of bad decision making, but again taking Wemby 1st can never be viewed as a bad decision even if Scoot is the next Ja and Wemby is the next Oden.

and if a GM gets fired JUST for that decision, would be based purely on hindsight and the org probably has bigger structural problems than that GM.

also imagine if it's the other way, you take Scoot first and Wemby ends up truly being a freak generational player...what's your explanation as a GM then?

[buzzkilloton]

disagree, GMs will get fired for a sequence of bad decision making, but again taking Wemby 1st can never be viewed as a bad decision even if Scoot is the next Ja and Wemby is the next Oden.

and if a GM gets fired JUST for that decision, would be based purely on hindsight and the org probably has bigger structural problems than that GM.

also imagine if it's the other way, you take Scoot first and Wemby ends up truly being a freak generational player...what's your explanation as a GM then?

If your theory and logic with decisions is always good as a GM but the results on the court stink you will still eventually get fired. The GM could of made great free agent moves but got unlucky injuries on cornerstone players or a star demands a trade from your team etc.In the same vein another GM could be making bad decisions but luckbox a Lebron and he gets to keep his job for years.

If you trade Wemby and hes a freak generational player then you still end up with Scoot+ a huge bag of other assets you could still be 100% fine. Trades can be win win. If the Pels traded Zion for Ja+a bag of other stuff then the Pels are giving their GM a new contract despite Zion being what Zion was said to be. Their is multiple scenarios that can play out and its not as simple as "gotta take Wemby hes generational or your fired".

Troy Weaver I think has done a great job building us through the draft getting extra picks and taking alot of guys I would of chose. That said if Cade continues to have injury problems and no stars come out of our young core and we follow it up with Wemby who gets a career ending injury hes going to get fired. Hes made mostly good decisions even took the guy everyone said he has to take but sorry hes done you dont get to hold your job forever results have to come.

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[crows2]

disagree, GMs will get fired for a sequence of bad decision making, but again taking Wemby 1st can never be viewed as a bad decision even if Scoot is the next Ja and Wemby is the next Oden.

and if a GM gets fired JUST for that decision, would be based purely on hindsight and the org probably has bigger structural problems than that GM.

also imagine if it's the other way, you take Scoot first and Wemby ends up truly being a freak generational player...what's your explanation as a GM then?

If your theory and logic with decisions is always good as a GM but the results on the court stink you will still eventually get fired. The GM could of made great free agent moves but got unlucky injuries on cornerstone players or a star demands a trade from your team etc.In the same vein another GM could be making bad decisions but luckbox a Lebron and he gets to keep his job for years.

If you trade Wemby and hes a freak generational player then you still end up with Scoot+ a huge bag of other assets you could still be 100% fine. Trades can be win win. If the Pels traded Zion for Ja+a bag of other stuff then the Pels are giving their GM a new contract despite Zion being what Zion was said to be. Their is multiple scenarios that can play out and its not as simple as "gotta take Wemby hes generational or your fired".

Troy Weaver I think has done a great job building us through the draft getting extra picks and taking alot of guys I would of chose. That said if Cade continues to have injury problems and no stars come out of our young core and we follow it up with Wemby who gets a career ending injury hes going to get fired. Hes made mostly good decisions even took the guy everyone said he has to take but sorry hes done you dont get to hold your job forever results have to come.

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The original poster said he would take Scoot at pick 1 straight up, no mention of a trade. That’s just unrealistic for a GM. 30/30 would take Wembanyama because their job is at stake.

Trading pick 1 for pick 2 + assets and picking Scoot is obviously a more palatable option, but again we’ve seen the danger in that with the Doncic for Trae Young trade. If Wemby ends up being on the Doncic level, then unless Scoot is also on that level the GM would likely still get sacked.

Using your example (in an imaginary scenario in which Memphis had pick 1 and drafted Morant); if Zion ends up being Doncic level (although that seems unlikely) and Morant is pretty much already at his peak and never ends up leading the Grizz to a championship, then the Grizz GM would eventually get sacked.

[buzzkilloton]

Yeah a pound for pound just take Scoot over Wemby with nothing thrown in the deal would never happen. Whoever is at pick 2 would always give you some extra goodies.

[MasterIchiro]

I'm taking Scoot #1 overall. Today's elite players score on all three levels. Scoot is already elite getting to the rim. His body is a cannonball. Its a finished product. I feel extremely high confidence he will stay healthy. His quickness? He's a missile.

His outside shot is currently more accurate than Wemby's.

I have Scoot comped with Baron Davis. Wemby with Anthony Davis. I just think there's more volatility with Wemby's body type.

So while Wemby may produce at a higher level overall, his career peak could be significantly shorter.

Also, I liked Ja more than Zion for Ja's playmaking. When you have a player who can get anywhere he wants on the floor he's a problem to defend. On top of that he can pass the ball anywhere he wants on the floor making his teammates elite role players.

You have far more flexibility in surrounding Ja vs. Zion. Same goes for Scoot.

In a vacuum? Take Wemby.

I wouldn't remove the context of team building. This is a team sport.

I'd love for the Hornets to have a backcourt with two guards who can both get anywhere they want on the court (although LaMelo needs to add strength and finish better at the rim), while also being able to exploit holes in the defense and make their teammates more productive.

Both can get downhill in half court and move like lightning in transition.

I will take the sure thing with Scoot and gamble against Wemby. Any goodies you want to add, fine. But if the number 2 team stonewalls me on that end, I take Scoot.

[NYPiston]

I'm taking Scoot #1 overall. Today's elite players score on all three levels. Scoot is already elite getting to the rim. His body is a cannonball. Its a finished product. I feel extremely high confidence he will stay healthy. His quickness? He's a missile.

His outside shot is currently more accurate than Wemby's.

I have Scoot comped with Baron Davis. Wemby with Anthony Davis. I just think there's more volatility with Wemby's body type.

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Yet your comp for Scoot is a guy whose career was littered with injuries.

[MasterIchiro]

I'm taking Scoot #1 overall. Today's elite players score on all three levels. Scoot is already elite getting to the rim. His body is a cannonball. Its a finished product. I feel extremely high confidence he will stay healthy. His quickness? He's a missile.

His outside shot is currently more accurate than Wemby's.

I have Scoot comped with Baron Davis. Wemby with Anthony Davis. I just think there's more volatility with Wemby's body type.

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Yet your comp for Scoot is a guy whose career was littered with injuries.

There's no such thing as a perfect comp. I'm looking at skill, body type, positional fit.

I do believe Wemby's peak years will be superior. I just think he's going to flame out quicker. He's no safer than Chet Holmgren.

But I don't want to make this out to be bashing Wemby and I'm certainly not forecasting an AD type debility for Wemby.

I don't want to wait on any bodies at this point. I don't want someone to grow into X, Y, Z body or role (4/5).

Day one, Scoot will be able to get anywhere he wants on the floor, and make passes if defended. You can't pass up players like him who can get downhill. LaMelo + Scoot would be a problem.

Sticking with my pick.

[God Squad]

What role can a guy like Jordan Walsh have in the league? Admittedly I'm left underwhelmed most of the time.

[NYPiston]

There's no such thing as a perfect comp. I'm looking at skill, body type, positional fit.

I do believe Wemby's peak years will be superior. I just think he's going to flame out quicker. He's no safer than Chet Holmgren.

But I don't want to make this out to be bashing Wemby and I'm certainly not forecasting an AD type debility for Wemby.

I don't want to wait on any bodies at this point. I don't want someone to grow into X, Y, Z body or role (4/5).

Day one, Scoot will be able to get anywhere he wants on the floor, and make passes if defended. You can't pass up players like him who can get downhill. LaMelo + Scoot would be a problem.

Sticking with my pick.

Fair enough. I'm just saying if you're confident in Scoot having a long, healthy career that Baron Davis probably isn't the best comparable.

In fact, the injury rate for these uber athletic guards is pretty high as well.

[EvanZ]

Have I written about how I really love Scoot as a prospect? I might draft him over Wemby if I were the GM picking first.

I hate when people say something like this. You wouldn’t, because you’d value your job security too much. The simple fact is if you draft Wemby but Scoot turns out better, no one can blame you. But if you draft Scoot first and Wemby becomes an all-time great, you’d be the first to lose your job (and rightly so).

These people make millions of dollars. None of them are doing this career for job security.

[clyde21]

why are we having this convo? Wemby's going first and no GM is gonna get fired because he didn't work out

[SeattleJazzFan]

What role can a guy like Jordan Walsh have in the league? Admittedly I'm left underwhelmed most of the time.

man, i really liked jordan walsh coming out of high school, but offensively just doesn't do much at all. because i'm not not seeing much offensively from him, it's hard to know if he can eventually hold his own on that end in the league. will his shooting be reliable. does he have ball skills at that level, etc. but he has a high motor and he's honestly pretty effing elite defensively. depending on what he does the rest of the season i could see taking him late first/early second if he continues to show improvement on the offensive end and i feel like can be a reliable long range shooter.

[EvanZ]

What role can a guy like Jordan Walsh have in the league? Admittedly I'm left underwhelmed most of the time.

He’s probably better than Anthony Lamb.


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[crows2]

Have I written about how I really love Scoot as a prospect? I might draft him over Wemby if I were the GM picking first.

I hate when people say something like this. You wouldn’t, because you’d value your job security too much. The simple fact is if you draft Wemby but Scoot turns out better, no one can blame you. But if you draft Scoot first and Wemby becomes an all-time great, you’d be the first to lose your job (and rightly so).

These people make millions of dollars. None of them are doing this career for job security.

You don’t think people in high paying jobs are worried about job security? Lol.

[crows2]

What role can a guy like Jordan Walsh have in the league? Admittedly I'm left underwhelmed most of the time.

None in my opinion. His offense simply isn’t NBA standard.

[The-Power]

What role can a guy like Jordan Walsh have in the league? Admittedly I'm left underwhelmed most of the time.

Realistically? Third string player on a team that likes his energy, maybe. He could be more if he ever turns into a knock-down shooter but I wouldn't count on it.

[The-Power]

Also, great game from Jarace Walker in which he showed a lot of skill. It still drives me crazy that his first reaction to contact is to get the shot up instead of using his strength to move the defender out of the way or draw a foul but games like this one should go a long way solidifying his draft spot.

[God Squad]

What role can a guy like Jordan Walsh have in the league? Admittedly I'm left underwhelmed most of the time.

None in my opinion. His offense simply isn’t NBA standard.

That's basically where I'm at in regards to Walsh. I actually like watching Arkansas because the trio of Black/Council and (previously) NS is pretty fun to watch. But I'm usually left confused with Walsh and what he can be or bring in the NBA. He seems like a defensive/energy big, but is that archetype really that valuable?