Miami Heat 22-23 Regular Season Thread 2.0

[Kobewade11]

Save the drama for your mama AirP. I can pull up every team in the league and point out missed draft picks, bad trades, bad signings, etc. thats the nature of the business

[AirP.]

Save the drama for your mama AirP. I can pull up every team in the league and point out missed draft picks, bad trades, bad signings, etc. thats the nature of the business

Sure, but how about pulling up all the teams that did a sign and trade for a player they maxed out and then did nearly nothing of note with the roster for 3 years after that.

I get swinging big and failing with a trade, but this FO has been playing it super safe since the Butler acquisition.

[Flash4thewin]

Here's a question, after acquiring Butler in 2019, how many of you would find it hard to believe that the FO's only major acquisition they'd make in the next 3 years is vastly overpaying Lowry to come to Miami? I would hope the question in your head would be why trade for Butler (giving up Richardson and a 1st) if you're not going to go for it.

Because it was a no brainer move. The better question is does our front office believe in Butler and the team. Looking at the moves or better yet the lack of moves speaks volumes.

If you believe Miami would have beaten the Lakers if healthy, you would go all out in the offseason to make sure the team is reloaded. Clearly our actions show the front office didn't have the opinion.

If you believe Miami would have made the Eastern finals with more help this past playoff, you would go all out in the offseason to make sure the team is ready. Stop me if you have heard this before. Again actions speak louder than words. The Celtics lost in the finals and guess what, they made moves to help the team. They actually believe in there team, they put there money where there mouth is. Our actions tell us what our front office really thinks about Butler and our team.

So while some of us magically think we had a chance against the Lakers, or we had a chance against the Celtics, our front office by there own actions tell you all you need to know and how they clearly dont share that opinion. Food for thought.

[unowen85]

Here's a question, after acquiring Butler in 2019, how many of you would find it hard to believe that the FO's only major acquisition they'd make in the next 3 years is vastly overpaying Lowry to come to Miami? I would hope the question in your head would be why trade for Butler (giving up Richardson and a 1st) if you're not going to go for it.

You are preaching to the choir, bro. Riley wasn’t able to land the second whale after getting Butler. He hesitated on getting Paul, and then got played by Giannis and Durant. Right now we need to look at the path ahead of us and come to terms that the Jimmy window is, unfortunately, closed.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Here's a question, after acquiring Butler in 2019, how many of you would find it hard to believe that the FO's only major acquisition they'd make in the next 3 years is vastly overpaying Lowry to come to Miami? I would hope the question in your head would be why trade for Butler (giving up Richardson and a 1st) if you're not going to go for it.

The biggest mistake for me with the front office has been the lack of execution with locking down a consistent 4 to place next to Bam. At the time Lowry was the only feasible legit get and they had to get extremely creative to get him due to not having cap space. Can't really complain much about that move since it led us knocking on the door steps of the finals. They did a decent job last year trying to shore up the 4 spot with Tucker and Morris. The unfortunate thing that happened was Morris getting hurt and it opened the door for Spo to get back to his roots of forcing an undersized 4 again with Martin. Both the FO and Spo are to blame for this because the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Here's a question, after acquiring Butler in 2019, how many of you would find it hard to believe that the FO's only major acquisition they'd make in the next 3 years is vastly overpaying Lowry to come to Miami? I would hope the question in your head would be why trade for Butler (giving up Richardson and a 1st) if you're not going to go for it.

You are preaching to the choir, bro. Riley wasn’t able to land the second whale after getting Butler. He hesitated on getting Paul, and then got played by Giannis and Durant. Right now we need to look at the path ahead of us and come to terms that the Jimmy window is, unfortunately, closed.

I think we have another 3 solid years of Jimmy and even if it's not prime Jimmy he's an elite compliment to the budding Bam and Herro as they continue to ascend. What the front office needs to do now is figure out a way to use the 48 million getting wasted on Lowry and Duncan and use it to get a real PF rotation and a young PG.

[AirP.]

Here's a question, after acquiring Butler in 2019, how many of you would find it hard to believe that the FO's only major acquisition they'd make in the next 3 years is vastly overpaying Lowry to come to Miami? I would hope the question in your head would be why trade for Butler (giving up Richardson and a 1st) if you're not going to go for it.

Because it was a no brainer move. The better question is does our front office believe in Butler and the team. Looking at the moves or better yet the lack of moves speaks volumes.

No brainer? To do what, be a good team and that's it? Maybe you'd have gotten another good young lottery player(s) in the last couple of years if Butler isn't on the roster.

If you believe Miami would have beaten the Lakers if healthy, you would go all out in the offseason to make sure the team is reloaded. Clearly our actions show the front office didn't have the opinion.

Right, they let a starter walk and didn't even give a damn on trying to replace him because of the magical 2021 plan which they had to overpay Lowry to not completely strike out. Come on, Giannis was going to leave before signing a max contract in Milwaukee at his young age?

If you believe Miami would have made the Eastern finals with more help this past playoff, you would go all out in the offseason to make sure the team is ready. Stop me if you have heard this before. Again actions speak louder than words. The Celtics lost in the finals and guess what, they made moves to help the team. They actually believe in there team, they put there money where there mouth is. Our actions tell us what our front office really thinks about Butler and our team.

So while some of us magically think we had a chance against the Lakers, or we had a chance against the Celtics, our front office by there own actions tell you all you need to know and how they clearly dont share that opinion. Food for thought.

Right, so if you're not going to go for it, why trade for Butler giving up a solid player and 1st round pick and also limit your lottery chances for a few years vs keep building with the youth? At the time Miami had Winslow, Richardson, Bam, Herro and Whiteside's soon to be expiring deal PLUS an extra 1st round pick to make room for the Butler trade.

I just don't get what the real plan was for Butler in Miami other than not to be in the bottom half of the nba other then the hail mary of add Butler, gut the roster but Bam and hope to sign a top tier player with cap space which wasn't going to happen. Getting to the finals should have changed that path. This is the 2nd time in Butler's career he's been told of a 2 year plan of holding back on acquiring players to add a max guy, they did this in Chicago, that's why they overpaid Wade and Rondo to play with Butler, Wade was Chicago's prize of the 2-year plan like Lowry was Miami's prize of their 2-year plan.

[MettaWorldPanda]

If we can flip Lowry, Jovic, and a pick for DLO Russell and a starting caliber PF I would be pretty stoked. Russell might be a knucklehead at times but he's still a talent. Not a G league talent but a real talent who's only 26 years old plays PG is 6'4 and has a 6'10 wingspan. If we trust our culture we should be able to bring him in here and get the most out of him. I would say we have done a pretty good job at rehabilitating players such as Russell in the past. Beggars can't be choosers here and considering what we have in the asset cupboard I would say everything is falling into place for us to bring Russell here. We have a solid group of veterans he's coming into and isn't that why we have our 42 year old mascot on the end of the bench to keep a player like Russell on the right path?

[Kobewade11]

Sure, but how about pulling up all the teams that did a sign and trade for a player they maxed out and then did nearly nothing of note with the roster for 3 years after that.

I get swinging big and failing with a trade, but this FO has been playing it super safe since the Butler acquisition.

2 conferences finals in 4 years. Not doing what you want ≠ doing nearly nothing. Not hitting on every pick or signing ≠ doing nearly nothing. Engaging with teams on trades that don't get to the finish line ≠ doing nearly nothing. These are all normal occurrences that every team deals with. Since the Butler acquisition this team has a 59% winning percentage. Thats up from 50% in the years since the end of the Heatles run to right before Jimmy signing, and up from 45% from the time we won our first chip to the Big 3 era. Just to put it all in context. You would not have survived the prime Wade era boy

[MettaWorldPanda]

Here's a question, after acquiring Butler in 2019, how many of you would find it hard to believe that the FO's only major acquisition they'd make in the next 3 years is vastly overpaying Lowry to come to Miami? I would hope the question in your head would be why trade for Butler (giving up Richardson and a 1st) if you're not going to go for it.

Because it was a no brainer move. The better question is does our front office believe in Butler and the team. Looking at the moves or better yet the lack of moves speaks volumes.

No brainer? To do what, be a good team and that's it? Maybe you'd have gotten another good young lottery player(s) in the last couple of years if Butler isn't on the roster.

If you believe Miami would have beaten the Lakers if healthy, you would go all out in the offseason to make sure the team is reloaded. Clearly our actions show the front office didn't have the opinion.

Right, they let a starter walk and didn't even give a damn on trying to replace him because of the magical 2021 plan which they had to overpay Lowry to not completely strike out. Come on, Giannis was going to leave before signing a max contract in Milwaukee at his young age?

If you believe Miami would have made the Eastern finals with more help this past playoff, you would go all out in the offseason to make sure the team is ready. Stop me if you have heard this before. Again actions speak louder than words. The Celtics lost in the finals and guess what, they made moves to help the team. They actually believe in there team, they put there money where there mouth is. Our actions tell us what our front office really thinks about Butler and our team.

So while some of us magically think we had a chance against the Lakers, or we had a chance against the Celtics, our front office by there own actions tell you all you need to know and how they clearly dont share that opinion. Food for thought.

Right, so if you're not going to go for it, why trade for Butler giving up a solid player and 1st round pick and also limit your lottery chances for a few years vs keep building with the youth? At the time Miami had Winslow, Richardson, Bam, Herro and Whiteside's soon to be expiring deal PLUS an extra 1st round pick to make room for the Butler trade.

I just don't get what the real plan was for Butler in Miami other than not to be in the bottom half of the nba other then the hail mary of add Butler, gut the roster but Bam and hope to sign a top tier player with cap space which wasn't going to happen. Getting to the finals should have changed that path. This is the 2nd time in Butler's career he's been told of a 2 year plan of holding back on acquiring players to add a max guy, they did this in Chicago, that's why they overpaid Wade and Rondo to play with Butler, Wade was Chicago's prize of the 2-year plan like Lowry was Miami's prize of their 2-year plan.

Not many teams in the NBA can say they had a chance at a finals run in 2 of the last 4 years. So with that being said yes getting Butler was absolutely worth it. Butler hasn't complained once so he's obviously on board. Let's see what transpires before this trade deadline. Have to remember this team is also working under the constraints of the salary cap and had to reup Bam and Herro during this stretch.

[AirP.]

Sure, but how about pulling up all the teams that did a sign and trade for a player they maxed out and then did nearly nothing of note with the roster for 3 years after that.

I get swinging big and failing with a trade, but this FO has been playing it super safe since the Butler acquisition.

2 conferences finals in 4 years. Not doing what you want ≠ doing nearly nothing. Not hitting on every pick or signing ≠ doing nearly nothing. Engaging with teams on trades that don't get to the finish line ≠ doing nearly nothing. These are all normal occurrences that every team deals with. Since the Butler acquisition this team has a 59% winning percentage. Thats up from 50% in the years since the end of the Heatles run to right before Jimmy signing, and up from 45% from the time we won our first chip to the Big 3 era. Just to put it all in context. You would not have survived the prime Wade era boy

I survived the years after Jordan in Chicago(4 straight years of 21 or less wins) but I sure do question the decisions/directions a franchise now takes, I don't blindly just follow a team and make up excuses to justify my fandom.

Doing nearly nothing = doing nearly nothing which I actually expect form half the teams in the NBA, I didn't think Miami would be like this, especially after striking gold with getting Butler to force his way to Miami with no cap space.

Everything Miami has done since the Butler acquisition is the moves of a small market team or a team that is trying to maximize profits which may be the case with how bad certain stock has dropped in the last few years.

I actually liked Miami's mantra of not tanking and trying to be good every year, the moving of draft picks for good players but for some reason that's basically stopped since Butler was acquired unless you want to bring up Lowry which was the byproduct of the wonderful 2021 plan. Had this team "went for it" vs development and drafting players this team may have had a championship in the last few years but instead with the multiple paths they took at the same time are really nowhere near that possibility if they continue the same type of transactions they've done in recent years.

[Kobewade11]

I survived the years after Jordan in Chicago(4 straight years of 21 or less wins) but I sure do question the decisions/directions a franchise now takes, I don't blindly just follow a team and make up excuses to justify my fandom.

Doing nearly nothing = doing nearly nothing which I actually expect form half the teams in the NBA, I didn't think Miami would be like this, especially after striking gold with getting Butler to force his way to Miami with no cap space.

Everything Miami has done since the Butler acquisition is the moves of a small market team or a team that is trying to maximize profits which may be the case with how bad certain stock has dropped in the last few years.

I actually liked Miami's mantra of not tanking and trying to be good every year, the moving of draft picks for good players but for some reason that's basically stopped since Butler was acquired unless you want to bring up Lowry which was the byproduct of the wonderful 2021 plan. Had this team "went for it" vs development and drafting players this team may have had a championship in the last few years but instead with the multiple paths they took at the same time are really nowhere near that possibility if they continue the same type of transactions they've done in recent years.

Man stop it.

[AirP.]

Not many teams in the NBA can say they had a chance at a finals run in 2 of the last 4 years. So with that being said yes getting Butler was absolutely worth it. Butler hasn't complained once so he's obviously on board. Let's see what transpires before this trade deadline. Have to remember this team is also working under the constraints of the salary cap and had to reup Bam and Herro during this stretch.

Absolutely, but why is this team at the cap? Dedmon 4 mil? Maybe Robinson's 90 mil for having 1 skill only to move away from DHOs which was his bread and butter but limited what Bam could do? How about signing a past his prime Lowry for nearly 30 mil a year, refusing to sign Dragic for the minimum because it might stunt the might Gabe Vincent's development in his mid 20s? The FO put themselves in this situation all while not even signing a 15 man to develop or just in case of injuries.

[SerialChiller]

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Spo thought it was a good idea to play this guy over the harder working, non complaining, more productive, more athletic, Orlando Robinson last night. Let that sink in. What a joke...

[AirP.]

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Spo thought it was a good idea to play this guy over the harder working, non complaining, more productive, more athletic, Orlando Robinson last night. Let that sink in. What a joke...

The FO thought it was worth paying him 4 mil a year.

It's absolutely insane that another 2-way player is better than a guy the FO recently signed. Good luck telling your owner you screwed up again.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Here's a question, after acquiring Butler in 2019, how many of you would find it hard to believe that the FO's only major acquisition they'd make in the next 3 years is vastly overpaying Lowry to come to Miami? I would hope the question in your head would be why trade for Butler (giving up Richardson and a 1st) if you're not going to go for it.

I agree man, and then in an offseason where you’re very clearly 1 maybe 2 moves away from winning it all you lose a starter and sit on your hands all summer. Pat has been bad. I’ve been saying this for awhile now

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Spo thought it was a good idea to play this guy over the harder working, non complaining, more productive, more athletic, Orlando Robinson last night. Let that sink in. What a joke...

Not only should he have been instantly benched but Spo should’ve made a fool of him on his way to the bench.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Am I drunk? Pretty sure it’s 1 shot away from 2 finals in the last 3 years but I guess saying 4 years is also accurate lol.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Last year PJ Tucker was

MVP caliber screen setter
MVP caliber post defender
MVP caliber corner three point specialist
MVP caliber switch defender
MVP caliber captain of the defense
MVP caliber at working the refs
MVP caliber at mind phucking other teams players
MVP caliber at boxing out bigger players
MVP caliber floater from inside the paint

It’s no surprise why this team is stuck in the .500 mud. Insane to think the FO thought Caleb Martin was a viable replacement. PJ Tucker was a championship MVP caliber dirty work type player. I can understand why Riley is trying to find another one. The group is obviously begging for one.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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You all won’t agree but this is honestly the perfect time to pull something like this off. Ingram is having a shaky season with injuries and the pelicans are playing good without him. This is an opportunity to use Herro and get a young all star who is a better scorer, rebounder, playmaker, AND defender. He also brings size and length.