Miami Heat 22-23 Regular Season Thread 2.0

Flash4thewin · Post #1681 » by **Flash4thewin** » Thu Jan 5, 2023 4:54 pm

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Spo thought it was a good idea to play this guy over the harder working, non complaining, more productive, more athletic, Orlando Robinson last night. Let that sink in. What a joke...

The FO thought it was worth paying him 4 mil a year.

It's absolutely insane that another 2-way player is better than a guy the FO recently signed. Good luck telling your owner you screwed up again.

Our front office thinks it's more important to have matching salary for a trade rather than to have a player actually worth his contract which is a huge issue. They are ignoring the talent part of that equation. I forgot someone was arguing that we signed Duncan to be a filler in a trade.... that our front office in a nutshell. If you are not worth your contract, you are by definition a negative asset.

3ammy3uck3ts · Post #1682 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Thu Jan 5, 2023 5:09 pm

Herro Martin and a 1st to the pelicans for Ingram.

Duncan Jovic and maybe a 2nd to the spurs for cap relief.

Lowry/Gabe
Strus/Dipo
Jimmy/???
Ingram/Highsmith
Bam/Orlando

We’d still lack consistent bench scoring. We need 1 more solid piece. Maybe Dedmon and a 1st gets you there. Off the top of my head Naz fits there perfectly.

If you still want that salary cap off the books next summer Lowry Dedmon and a 1st for DLo and Naz works.

DLo/Gabe
Strus/Dipo
Jimmy/Highsmith
Ingram/Naz
Bam/Naz/Orlando

Flash4thewin · Post #1683 » by **Flash4thewin** » Thu Jan 5, 2023 5:17 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Herro Martin and a 1st to the pelicans for Ingram.

Duncan Jovic and maybe a 2nd to the spurs for cap relief.

Lowry/Gabe
Strus/Dipo
Jimmy/???
Ingram/Highsmith
Bam/Orlando

We’d still lack consistent bench scoring. We need 1 more solid piece. Maybe Dedmon and a 1st gets you there. Off the top of my head Naz fits there perfectly.

If you still want that salary cap off the books next summer Lowry Dedmon and a 1st for DLo and Naz works.

DLo/Gabe
Strus/Dipo
Jimmy/Highsmith
Ingram/Naz
Bam/Naz/Orlando

They wont touch that deal. If they move Ingram it will be for a super star, they wont downgrade to Herro, especially with just one draft pick, remember they have basically all the Lakers picks so this is a no go.

Kobewade11 · Post #1684 » by **Kobewade11** » Thu Jan 5, 2023 5:17 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Herro Martin and a 1st to the pelicans for Ingram.

Duncan Jovic and maybe a 2nd to the spurs for cap relief.

Lowry/Gabe
Strus/Dipo
Jimmy/???
Ingram/Highsmith
Bam/Orlando

We’d still lack consistent bench scoring. We need 1 more solid piece. Maybe Dedmon and a 1st gets you there. Off the top of my head Naz fits there perfectly.

If you still want that salary cap off the books next summer Lowry Dedmon and a 1st for DLo and Naz works.

DLo/Gabe
Strus/Dipo
Jimmy/Highsmith
Ingram/Naz
Bam/Naz/Orlando

Why would New Orleans want Herro?

3ammy3uck3ts · Post #1685 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Thu Jan 5, 2023 5:41 pm

Kobewade11 wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Herro Martin and a 1st to the pelicans for Ingram.

Duncan Jovic and maybe a 2nd to the spurs for cap relief.

Lowry/Gabe
Strus/Dipo
Jimmy/???
Ingram/Highsmith
Bam/Orlando

We’d still lack consistent bench scoring. We need 1 more solid piece. Maybe Dedmon and a 1st gets you there. Off the top of my head Naz fits there perfectly.

If you still want that salary cap off the books next summer Lowry Dedmon and a 1st for DLo and Naz works.

DLo/Gabe
Strus/Dipo
Jimmy/Highsmith
Ingram/Naz
Bam/Naz/Orlando

Why would New Orleans want Herro?

They add a 20+ PPG scorer and a solid bench Swiss Army knife type guy in Caleb on a great contract to bolster their run. Either start Herro or bring him off the bench.

Reports are they’ve noticed their success without Ingram this season, think you try and swing with 2 solid pieces to help their championship run and a 1st they can either keep or reroute for another piece.

3ammy3uck3ts · Post #1686 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Thu Jan 5, 2023 5:44 pm

Flash4thewin wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Herro Martin and a 1st to the pelicans for Ingram.

Duncan Jovic and maybe a 2nd to the spurs for cap relief.

Lowry/Gabe
Strus/Dipo
Jimmy/???
Ingram/Highsmith
Bam/Orlando

We’d still lack consistent bench scoring. We need 1 more solid piece. Maybe Dedmon and a 1st gets you there. Off the top of my head Naz fits there perfectly.

If you still want that salary cap off the books next summer Lowry Dedmon and a 1st for DLo and Naz works.

DLo/Gabe
Strus/Dipo
Jimmy/Highsmith
Ingram/Naz
Bam/Naz/Orlando

They wont touch that deal. If they move Ingram it will be for a super star, they wont downgrade to Herro, especially with just one draft pick, remember they have basically all the Lakers picks so this is a no go.

I could say trade Herro and 3 1sts for Kyle Anderson and you’d be arguing the Wolves wouldn’t do it to be fair lol. You reach out and try to get a deal done, if they say no they say no

3ammy3uck3ts · Post #1687 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Thu Jan 5, 2023 5:45 pm

If it doesn’t work it doesn’t work but reach out and see where their heads are at. Honestly just relieved you guys are arguing for the pelicans and not against trading Herro for Ingram

carnageta · Post #1688 » by **carnageta** » Thu Jan 5, 2023 5:49 pm

Lowry may be one of the worst perimeter defenders in the league lol. To top it off he's also one of the worst passing point guards in the league. SMH

carnageta · Post #1689 » by **carnageta** » Thu Jan 5, 2023 5:52 pm

How different would we be with someone like Jrue Holiday right now as opposed to Kyle? IIRC, we had the opportunity to trade for him but didn't want to go into the cap to acquire him since it would have interfered with our master 2021 plan.. lol

Not only would we be much better with Jrue, but the best team in the East (i.e. the Bucks) would be weaker as well. Holiday is also a much more primed fit in our small ball scheme, as he has 4 inches and wingspan on Lowry.

Kobewade11 · Post #1690 » by **Kobewade11** » Thu Jan 5, 2023 5:59 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
They add a 20+ PPG scorer and a solid bench Swiss Army knife type guy in Caleb on a great contract to bolster their run. Either start Herro or bring him off the bench.

Reports are they’ve noticed their success without Ingram this season, think you try and swing with 2 solid pieces to help their championship run and a 1st they can either keep or reroute for another piece.

I always look at trades from the perspective of would we make the same move. Would we trade a 6'8-6'9 scorer for a 6'4 one?

If Herro's a 20+ a night scorer, and Caleb really is this great bench Swiss Army Knife asset on a great contract it seems to me the move for us would be to try to get a big using some of our draft capital and just keep these two players, no? What's the value in swapping chairs and still having the same holes to fill

Kobewade11 · Post #1691 » by **Kobewade11** » Thu Jan 5, 2023 6:03 pm

Nobody rues like Heat fans. Jrue Holiday? The Bucks gave up 4 picks, we did not have the draft capital to make that deal.

3ammy3uck3ts · Post #1692 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Thu Jan 5, 2023 6:04 pm

carnageta wrote:How different would we be with someone like Jrue Holiday right now as opposed to Kyle? IIRC, we had the opportunity to trade for him but didn't want to go into the cap to acquire him since it would have interfered with our master 2021 plan.. lol

Not only would we be much better with Jrue, but the best team in the East (i.e. the Bucks) would be weaker as well. Holiday is also a much more primed fit in our small ball scheme, as he has 4 inches and wingspan on Lowry.

He’s also jimmys favorite player in the league lol

3ammy3uck3ts · Post #1693 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Thu Jan 5, 2023 6:07 pm

Kobewade11 wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
They add a 20+ PPG scorer and a solid bench Swiss Army knife type guy in Caleb on a great contract to bolster their run. Either start Herro or bring him off the bench.

Reports are they’ve noticed their success without Ingram this season, think you try and swing with 2 solid pieces to help their championship run and a 1st they can either keep or reroute for another piece.

I always look at trades from the perspective of would we make the same move. Would we trade a 6'8-6'9 scorer for a 6'4 one?

If Herro's a 20+ a night scorer, and Caleb really is this great bench Swiss Army Knife asset on a great contract it seems to me the move for us would be to try to get a big using some of our draft capital and just keep these two players, no? What's the value in swapping chairs and still having the same holes to fill

That’s also fine with me, been begging for a deal or 2 like that all season. I just saw a potential opportunity to get an all star and figured it wouldn’t be a bad idea to jump on that and maybe find a secondary trade like the wolves deal I added. I think Ingram fills our hole at the 4, naz fills the backup role needed.

Just thinking of all the different scenarios for this team right now big and small. Wouldn’t mind checking in with Toronto to see what’s going on with Siakam. Check in with the pacers spurs etc. just see what’s out there using everyone but Jimmy and Bam

Daffy · Post #1694 » by **Daffy** » Thu Jan 5, 2023 6:13 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
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You all won’t agree but this is honestly the perfect time to pull something like this off. Ingram is having a shaky season with injuries and the pelicans are playing good without him. This is an opportunity to use Herro and get a young all star who is a better scorer, rebounder, playmaker, AND defender. He also brings size and length.

Maybe I'm looking at it differently, but I think that's even more reason why they don't trade Ingram. Gotta figure if you're doing so good without him, then he'll push them over the top when he returns.

Post #1695 » by **MettaWorldPanda** » Thu Jan 5, 2023 6:29 pm

Flash4thewin wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Herro Martin and a 1st to the pelicans for Ingram.

Duncan Jovic and maybe a 2nd to the spurs for cap relief.

Lowry/Gabe
Strus/Dipo
Jimmy/???
Ingram/Highsmith
Bam/Orlando

We’d still lack consistent bench scoring. We need 1 more solid piece. Maybe Dedmon and a 1st gets you there. Off the top of my head Naz fits there perfectly.

If you still want that salary cap off the books next summer Lowry Dedmon and a 1st for DLo and Naz works.

DLo/Gabe
Strus/Dipo
Jimmy/Highsmith
Ingram/Naz
Bam/Naz/Orlando

They wont touch that deal. If they move Ingram it will be for a super star, they wont downgrade to Herro, especially with just one draft pick, remember they have basically all the Lakers picks so this is a no go.

Yeah it will be for Durant and even then they rebuffed that in the offseason but could come back to it considering how close they could be to winning it all

ShulaDon92 · Post #1696 » by **ShulaDon92** » Thu Jan 5, 2023 6:36 pm

Fine, I'll stand up for Kyle. The guy is old and on a legacy contract...it's tough. The guy is hitting his threes in a timely fashion though, if he can hold on until the end of this contract he will be a good deal.

Post #1697 » by **MettaWorldPanda** » Thu Jan 5, 2023 6:47 pm

Herro and his poison pill contract are not getting traded this year. 1 poison pill contract in the entire history of the NBA has been traded to date. 1 which was Devin Harris for Jason Kidd and whole dynamic with cap space had to work out extremely perfect basically all the complete stars aligning for it to happen. Continuing to include Herro in any deal until next year is an exercise in futility. It's essentially hitting the lottery.

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Post #1698 » by **MettaWorldPanda** » Thu Jan 5, 2023 7:03 pm

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3ammy3uck3ts · Post #1699 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Thu Jan 5, 2023 7:04 pm

It’s unlikely Herro is moved but 1 poison pill being moved in nba history doesn’t mean a thing. Especially when you can easily just send Duncan and an asset to the spurs to offset the difference. The spurs set themselves up cap wise for reasons just like this.

3ammy3uck3ts · Post #1700 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Thu Jan 5, 2023 7:04 pm

ShulaDon92 wrote:Fine, I'll stand up for Kyle. The guy is old and on a legacy contract...it's tough. The guy is hitting his threes in a timely fashion though, if he can hold on until the end of this contract he will be a good deal.

What timely fashion? Because he didn’t do a damn thing down the stretch last night