Miami Heat 22-23 Regular Season Thread 2.0

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Duncan Jovic 2/3 1sts and Dedmon for Lauri and Vanderbilt

No way in hell Ainge is dealing Lauri to the Heat man. You actually thought for a minute he was going to gift wrap Mitchell to us. Ainge most likely has Pat Riley on a list of making sure he calls 29 other teams around the NBA before having to deal with that old man. Ainge stumbled onto a great white super star that's built for the long term in Utah. He's not letting him go.

Nah Pat failed us as usual, didn’t go all in like he did for KD but not getting into all that again

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Pat needs to go if that and Klutch is legit a thing

[Hallstar]

Imo, Herro slowly having the ball more in his hands in the starting lineup changed Lowry's role and production. Look at his usage the past 4 games

Earlier in the season, Herro was playing more off-ball with Lowry and Lowry was playing better. His USG rate was around 17-20% at that time

Herro didn't have the ball like he should the last 2 games, that was more Oladipo

[MettaWorldPanda]

The Mitchell trade is looking like a home run for both Utah and the Cavs. Unfortunately our assets are an over paid flash in the pan G league one trick pony specialist, A corpse called Dedmon who's making 4 mil a year, 2 G league finds in Vincent and Strus who are also free agents, A player who needed J Cole to get him a tryout with us who's earning 6 mil a year now in Martin, and a soon to be 37 year old PG Lowry making an extra 30 million next year. Our picks that most likely at least are a half decade away is asking a lot to wash out the mostly negative value of these players.

Our highest graded asset right now is probably Jovic but most teams around the league view him as a project and still have a value of late first rounder on him so it's basically good luck getting him to move the needle as well. Our assets as they currently stand are most likely putting us in the one's man's trash can be our treasure type of trade. It's not going to be for a player who's currently playing lights out or any type of significant star caliber player. Our only hope is a disgruntled free agent player who says he'll sign with us long term forcing a team's hand into trading him to us much like Dragic did and even then we still had to trade 2 first round picks in order to get him. And when we start talking about soon to be disgruntled free agent players then D'Angelo Russell tops that list. He would be a gamble and risk but it's a beggars can't be choosers market for us.

In terms of teams who may have interest in trading for Russell. The Lakers and the Wiz are probably at the top of that list. I would have to imagine that the Wolves would prefer Lowry over Westbrook especially when it comes to contract matching. Wiz I'm not sure what direction they are heading but trading for DLo would also seem pretty tough for them. I have us as the current clear cut favorites for DLO Russell if we decide to head that route. The other vet PG out on the market is Mike Conley Jr and he could very well find himself on either of the teams mentioned above. Would also include the Pelicans as suitors for him. I don't see the Jazz interested in bringing in Russell since they have already invested in Sexton.

[Timantha]

Can someone explain why we changed the draft protections and picks in the KZ trade with OKC?

OKC had our 2023 first round pick (protected top 14), but we changed it to lottery protected 2025 -> if not conveyed, unprotected in 2026. It seemed like we were going to trade our 2022, 2023 picks for something back then, but we used our 2022 on Jovic and we still haven't traded our 2023. If we aren't using these picks to contend, aren't we taking a big L with the OKC trade?

If the Thunder had our 2023 pick right now and it conveyed (since we're a playoff team), we would be able to trade 2024, 2026, 2028, 2030 picks this summer. This lets us be in the conversations for a star. Now our only way to trade multiple picks is by talking to OKC to unlock our 2025 pick..

[MettaWorldPanda]

Pat needs to go if that and Klutch is legit a thing

Unfortunately it is a thing. History speaks for itself, since Lebron left I don't think we've even had a Klutch client in for a interview. The closest to Klutch this team came is when Waiters switched agents and he was promptly traded away. Pat will probably stay until the end of the Butler era so look for other options that don't involve Klutch or Danny Ainge.

[HeatFanLifer]

The Mitchell trade is looking like a home run for both Utah and the Cavs. Unfortunately our assets are an over paid flash in the pan G league one trick pony specialist, A corpse called Dedmon who's making 4 mil a year, 2 G league finds in Vincent and Strus who are also free agents, A player who needed J Cole to get him a tryout with us who's earning 6 mil a year now in Martin, and a soon to be 37 year old PG Lowry making an extra 30 million next year. Our picks that most likely at least are a half decade away is asking a lot to wash out the mostly negative value of these players.

Our highest graded asset right now is probably Jovic but most teams around the league view him as a project and still have a value of late first rounder on him so it's basically good luck getting him to move the needle as well. Our assets as they currently stand are most likely putting us in the one's man's trash can be our treasure type of trade. It's not going to be for a player who's currently playing lights out or any type of significant star caliber player. Our only hope is a disgruntled free agent player who says he'll sign with us long term forcing a team's hand into trading him to us much like Dragic did and even then we still had to trade 2 first round picks in order to get him. And when we start talking about soon to be disgruntled free agent players then D'Angelo Russell tops that list. He would be a gamble and risk but it's a beggars can't be choosers market for us.

In terms of teams who may have interest in trading for Russell. The Lakers and the Wiz are probably at the top of that list. I would have to imagine that the Wolves would prefer Lowry over Westbrook especially when it comes to contract matching. Wiz I'm not sure what direction they are heading but trading for DLo would also seem pretty tough for them. I have us as the current clear cut favorites for DLO Russell if we decide to head that route. The other vet PG out on the market is Mike Conley Jr and he could very well find himself on either of the teams mentioned above. Would also include the Pelicans as suitors for him. I don't see the Jazz interested in bringing in Russell since they have already invested in Sexton.

This post is too real for me Panda. I don’t want to see the truth.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Can someone explain why we changed the draft protections and picks in the KZ trade with OKC?

OKC had our 2023 first round pick (protected top 14), but we changed it to lottery protected 2025 -> if not conveyed, unprotected in 2026. It seemed like we were going to trade our 2022, 2023 picks for something back then, but we used our 2022 on Jovic and we still haven't traded our 2023. If we aren't using these picks to contend, aren't we taking a big L with the OKC trade?

If the Thunder had our 2023 pick right now and it conveyed (since we're a playoff team), we would be able to trade 2024, 2026, 2028, 2030 picks this summer. This lets us be in the conversations for a star. Now our only way to trade multiple picks is by talking to OKC to unlock our 2025 pick..

I feel like they had intentions of trading the 2022 pick but nothing materialized so we just ended up making the pick. Maybe the intentions going into the season where that they would be able to use whomever they picked in the draft as a sweetener if something came up that they liked at the trade deadline. Now they need to make another deal with OKC for them to take the protections off the 2025 just so we can put the 2027 and 2029 in play. As of right now the OKC protections is tying up 2025 and 2026 because if 2025 does not convey it moves on to 2026. It's not an ideal situation to say the least when going against other teams draft capital that have interest in the same players we do. We also don't even have a 2nd rounder to trade until 2028

https://www.prosportstransactions.com/basketball/DraftTrades/Future/Heat.htm

[Timantha]

Can someone explain why we changed the draft protections and picks in the KZ trade with OKC?

OKC had our 2023 first round pick (protected top 14), but we changed it to lottery protected 2025 -> if not conveyed, unprotected in 2026. It seemed like we were going to trade our 2022, 2023 picks for something back then, but we used our 2022 on Jovic and we still haven't traded our 2023. If we aren't using these picks to contend, aren't we taking a big L with the OKC trade?

If the Thunder had our 2023 pick right now and it conveyed (since we're a playoff team), we would be able to trade 2024, 2026, 2028, 2030 picks this summer. This lets us be in the conversations for a star. Now our only way to trade multiple picks is by talking to OKC to unlock our 2025 pick..

I feel like they had intentions of trading the 2023 pick but nothing materialized so we just ended up making the pick. Maybe the intentions going into the season where that they would be able to use whomever they picked in the draft as a sweetener if something came up that they liked at the trade deadline. Now they need to make another deal with OKC for them to take the protections off the 2025 just so we can put the 2027 and 2029 in play. As of right now the OKC protections is tying up 2025 and 2026 because if 2025 does not convey it moves on to 2026. It's not an ideal situation to say the least when going against other teams draft capital that have interest in the same players we do. We also don't even have a 2nd rounder to trade until 2028

https://www.prosportstransactions.com/basketball/DraftTrades/Future/Heat.htm

Man if OKC had our 2023 pick right now and it conveyed, we would have control of all our FRPs this upcoming summer

[MettaWorldPanda]

Can someone explain why we changed the draft protections and picks in the KZ trade with OKC?

OKC had our 2023 first round pick (protected top 14), but we changed it to lottery protected 2025 -> if not conveyed, unprotected in 2026. It seemed like we were going to trade our 2022, 2023 picks for something back then, but we used our 2022 on Jovic and we still haven't traded our 2023. If we aren't using these picks to contend, aren't we taking a big L with the OKC trade?

If the Thunder had our 2023 pick right now and it conveyed (since we're a playoff team), we would be able to trade 2024, 2026, 2028, 2030 picks this summer. This lets us be in the conversations for a star. Now our only way to trade multiple picks is by talking to OKC to unlock our 2025 pick..

I feel like they had intentions of trading the 2023 pick but nothing materialized so we just ended up making the pick. Maybe the intentions going into the season where that they would be able to use whomever they picked in the draft as a sweetener if something came up that they liked at the trade deadline. Now they need to make another deal with OKC for them to take the protections off the 2025 just so we can put the 2027 and 2029 in play. As of right now the OKC protections is tying up 2025 and 2026 because if 2025 does not convey it moves on to 2026. It's not an ideal situation to say the least when going against other teams draft capital that have interest in the same players we do. We also don't even have a 2nd rounder to trade until 2028

https://www.prosportstransactions.com/basketball/DraftTrades/Future/Heat.htm

Man if OKC had our 2023 pick right now and it conveyed, we would have control of all our FRPs this upcoming summer

Something definitely fell through in negotiations that involved using that pick. It's pretty much a chit sandwich right now when it comes to our assets. The good thing is that Sam Presti is one GM that looks up to and respects our organization and Pat Riley so getting them to lift the 2025 protections seems like a formality at this point. When we engage teams at the deadline we will have Jovic, 2027, and 2029 to put in play. That's not a bad package but the problem will be the attachments we have with that package that will limit the return. Cavs recently traded the 2025, 2027, and 2029 with two pick swaps in the Mitchell deal but also had prime young attachments in Markkannen and Sexton to put the deal over the hump.

[Timantha]

I feel like they had intentions of trading the 2023 pick but nothing materialized so we just ended up making the pick. Maybe the intentions going into the season where that they would be able to use whomever they picked in the draft as a sweetener if something came up that they liked at the trade deadline. Now they need to make another deal with OKC for them to take the protections off the 2025 just so we can put the 2027 and 2029 in play. As of right now the OKC protections is tying up 2025 and 2026 because if 2025 does not convey it moves on to 2026. It's not an ideal situation to say the least when going against other teams draft capital that have interest in the same players we do. We also don't even have a 2nd rounder to trade until 2028

https://www.prosportstransactions.com/basketball/DraftTrades/Future/Heat.htm

Man if OKC had our 2023 pick right now and it conveyed, we would have control of all our FRPs this upcoming summer

Something definitely fell through in negotiations that involved using that pick. It's pretty much a chit sandwich right now when it comes to our assets. The good thing is that Sam Presti is one GM that looks up to and respects our organization and Pat Riley so getting them to lift the 2025 protections seems like a formality at this point. When we engage teams at the deadline we will have Jovic, 2027, and 2029 to put in play. That's not a bad package but the problem will be the attachments we have with that package that will limit the return.

If Miami doesn't want to unlock the 2025 pick, then they can also offer Jovic + 2023, 2028 or 2029. The website you linked forgot to update the fact that OKC gave us back our 2023 pick for the 2025 protected pick

[MettaWorldPanda]

Man if OKC had our 2023 pick right now and it conveyed, we would have control of all our FRPs this upcoming summer

Something definitely fell through in negotiations that involved using that pick. It's pretty much a chit sandwich right now when it comes to our assets. The good thing is that Sam Presti is one GM that looks up to and respects our organization and Pat Riley so getting them to lift the 2025 protections seems like a formality at this point. When we engage teams at the deadline we will have Jovic, 2027, and 2029 to put in play. That's not a bad package but the problem will be the attachments we have with that package that will limit the return.

If Miami doesn't want to unlock the 2025 pick, then they can also offer Jovic + 2023, 2028 or 2029. The website you linked forgot to update the fact that OKC gave us back our 2023 pick for the 2025 protected pick

Good catch. Looks like we own the 2023 pick out right. Really good catch. It was part of the deal with OKC last year. Jovic, 2023, and 2028 are in play as of now. The website does have it listed in the 3rd box. I just missed it since the Clippers had the first trade of the pick then it went back to OKC and OKC gave it back to us for 2025 protected to unprotected in 2026.

[Timantha]

Something definitely fell through in negotiations that involved using that pick. It's pretty much a chit sandwich right now when it comes to our assets. The good thing is that Sam Presti is one GM that looks up to and respects our organization and Pat Riley so getting them to lift the 2025 protections seems like a formality at this point. When we engage teams at the deadline we will have Jovic, 2027, and 2029 to put in play. That's not a bad package but the problem will be the attachments we have with that package that will limit the return.

If Miami doesn't want to unlock the 2025 pick, then they can also offer Jovic + 2023, 2028 or 2029. The website you linked forgot to update the fact that OKC gave us back our 2023 pick for the 2025 protected pick

Good catch. Looks like we own the 2023 pick out right. Really good catch. It was part of the deal with OKC last year. Jovic, 2023, and 2028 are in play as of now. The website does have it listed in the 3rd box. I just missed it since the Clippers had the first trade of the pick then it went back to OKC and OKC gave it back to us for 2025 protected to unprotected in 2026.

Our best package is Jovic, '23, '27, '29 with OKC helping us, but is there a player at the deadline that is worth all our assets?

[eddieheatfan]

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Duncan Jovic 2/3 1sts and Dedmon for Lauri and Vanderbilt

No way in hell Ainge is dealing Lauri to the Heat man. You actually thought for a minute he was going to gift wrap Mitchell to us. Ainge most likely has Pat Riley on a list of making sure he calls 29 other teams around the NBA before having to deal with that old man. Ainge stumbled onto a great white super star that's built for the long term in Utah. He's not letting him go.

Nah Pat failed us as usual, didn’t go all in like he did for KD but not getting into all that again

[MettaWorldPanda]

If Miami doesn't want to unlock the 2025 pick, then they can also offer Jovic + 2023, 2028 or 2029. The website you linked forgot to update the fact that OKC gave us back our 2023 pick for the 2025 protected pick

Good catch. Looks like we own the 2023 pick out right. Really good catch. It was part of the deal with OKC last year. Jovic, 2023, and 2028 are in play as of now. The website does have it listed in the 3rd box. I just missed it since the Clippers had the first trade of the pick then it went back to OKC and OKC gave it back to us for 2025 protected to unprotected in 2026.

Our best package is Jovic, '23, '27, '29 with OKC helping us, but is there a player at the deadline that is worth all our assets?

I guess it all depends on the other offers we are up against for the players that are available out there. Also have to factor in how much tax Mickey wants to pay for whomever we trade for if we have to reup them as a free agents. T Wolves need to recoup picks so getting Naz Reid and D'Angelo Russell should come pretty easy for us. Premier players are going for a package of young players for example Lauri Markkannen and Collin Sexton and the pick package. We have the pick package but unfortunately the attachments we have such as Kyle Lowry, Duncan, and Dedmon are of negative value.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Looks like you guys cleared up the picks, yes we DO have 2023. We can easily come up with 3 if needed. I want a star or all the high level role player! I’m willing to give up all 3 and Jovic to go all in for a championship

[MettaWorldPanda]

Looks like you guys cleared up the picks, yes we DO have 2023. We can easily come up with 3 if needed. I want a star or all the high level role player! I’m willing to give up all 3 and Jovic to go all in for a championship

Yup i’m elated to find out we completely own our 2023 pick outright. Game changer tbh. Might not even have to engage OKC in taking off the protections. Jovic, 2023, and 2028 could be enough to get something done.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Looks like you guys cleared up the picks, yes we DO have 2023. We can easily come up with 3 if needed. I want a star or all the high level role player! I’m willing to give up all 3 and Jovic to go all in for a championship

Yup i’m elated to find out we completely own our 2023 pick outright. Game changer tbh. Might not even have to engage OKC in taking off the protections. Jovic, 2023, and 2028 could be enough to get something done.

There are TONS of high level role players out there for the taking. Surely to god we’ll get something done and fill this roster out. Would love to see a massive move like we made for the 06 championship run

[Timantha]

Looks like you guys cleared up the picks, yes we DO have 2023. We can easily come up with 3 if needed. I want a star or all the high level role player! I’m willing to give up all 3 and Jovic to go all in for a championship

Yup i’m elated to find out we completely own our 2023 pick outright. Game changer tbh. Might not even have to engage OKC in taking off the protections. Jovic, 2023, and 2028 could be enough to get something done.

There are TONS of high level role players out there for the taking. Surely to god we’ll get something done and fill this roster out. Would love to see a massive move like we made for the 06 championship run

My prediction will be Derozan if the Bulls keep sucking and we keep hearing reports about Lavine being unhappy with his role

[MettaWorldPanda]

Yup i’m elated to find out we completely own our 2023 pick outright. Game changer tbh. Might not even have to engage OKC in taking off the protections. Jovic, 2023, and 2028 could be enough to get something done.

There are TONS of high level role players out there for the taking. Surely to god we’ll get something done and fill this roster out. Would love to see a massive move like we made for the 06 championship run

My prediction will be Derozan if the Bulls keep sucking and we keep hearing reports about Lavine being unhappy with his role

Don’t think DeRozan is the answer. He operates in the same space as Butler. We need to really go all out in supplementing the front court with real size