Around The League: 2021-2022 Season 2.0

[Negrodamus]

He's working on his political career.

[DCasey91]

I still don’t really get the outcry over Joe. He had one good game as a starter, has been fine as a 10-15 mpg guy off the bench on one of the worst teams in the league. I liked Wroten and Ish Smith, but I get that they aren’t legitimate contributors on contenders.

Not saying Joe can’t be, but he’s a 6’4 volume shooter with minimal ability to create and pretty exploitable on defense. At least Springer can be a positive on both sides of the ball (and is actually elite on defense).

I like the disparity in evaluating. Springer isn’t nothing nada, he isn’t elite at anything. It’s the NBA

Joe is shooting at an elite level this year, and has put on size. Duh he’s in his early 20’s

Said before he shot 41% and 37% from 3 when he got playing time here. Look at January splits he had a stretch of 10-20 min games all of a sudden he starts getting sub 10 min.

It’s Doc the coach, he’s crap. He’s done as a coach. Should have been fired after the Hawks series.

[Negrodamus]

I still don’t really get the outcry over Joe. He had one good game as a starter, has been fine as a 10-15 mpg guy off the bench on one of the worst teams in the league. I liked Wroten and Ish Smith, but I get that they aren’t legitimate contributors on contenders.

Not saying Joe can’t be, but he’s a 6’4 volume shooter with minimal ability to create and pretty exploitable on defense. At least Springer can be a positive on both sides of the ball (and is actually elite on defense).

I like the disparity in evaluating. Springer isn’t nothing nada, he isn’t elite at anything. It’s the NBA

Joe is shooting at an elite level this year, and has put on size. Duh he’s in his early 20’s

Said before he shot 41% and 37% from 3 when he got playing time here. Look at January splits he had a stretch of 10-20 min games all of a sudden he starts getting sub 10 min.

It’s Doc the coach, he’s crap. He’s done as a coach. Should have been fired after the Hawks series.

I'm confused, I posted a screen grab of him decidedly not shooting well with the Sixers last year when given time. I don't know where the 41% and 37% are coming from unless you're cherry picking the month of January last year as an indication of his full body of work.

He's definitely a good shooter. Needs a larger sample size before I give him the "elite" label. I call Springer elite in my post and that's also theoretical as well since the sample size is small.

You won't find a Doc Rivers sympathizer here. I'm not even a big Springer fan, tbh. I'm just not broken up about Joe leaving since his position in particular is incredibly saturated in the league and I don't think he has enough tools outside of shooting to really solidify his spot on this team. Probably should have had more opportunities here, but them the shakes.

[youngcrev]

Yeah.

This same conversation is gonna happen when Bassey has a 10 and 10 game for the Spurs. These are marginal prospects that may or may not stick in the league, but absolutely wouldn't be playing on this team this year, and didn't have team control/obligation going forward.

It doesn't matter if Joe is better than Korkmaz or Springer. Those guys have guaranteed contracts.

[GoSixersBro]

I thought only r/Sixers was the only forum that end of the bench players were glorified. I'm sleeping like E. Snow knowing that Isaiah Joe is no longer a Sixer.

[youngcrev]

God, imagine if we were the Nuggets and let Bol Bol walk so we could sign DeAndre Jordan on opening day of free agency

[Sixteen]

It's funny to see how Horford Oakie doked this franchise. Multiple years later, he's still playing good basketball

[Jailblazers7]

It’s actually kinda crazy after COVID to watch Luka cough his is ass off during this game. Definitely a sign that we’re back to normal where nobody cares about stuff like that anymore.

[76ciology]

It's funny to see how Horford Oakie doked this franchise. Multiple years later, he's still playing good basketball

Al is just the scape goat the Philly sports media wants you to believe.

2019-2020 Sixers (almost consensus projected to make finals)
11.9ppg 6.8rpg 4apg 1.7 stocks

2022-2023 Celtics
9.4ppg 6.1rpg 2.5apg 1.5 stocks

Ben was the one who “oakie doked” this franchise. Made us believe he can and will take the next step.

That season we were missing our second best scorer which is part of our bread and butter offense while having the worst shooting backcourt in league history.

[76ciology]

God, imagine if we were the Nuggets and let Bol Bol walk so we could sign DeAndre Jordan on opening day of free agency

I think he was traded to Magic. Nuggets also had Nurkic, who they also sell for cheap.

Talented bigs are abundant nowadays.

Nets let Jarett Allen go, and they had Claxton who’s playing well. And they still have Sharpe on the bench.

[76ciology]

Players who are more usage than substance
- Jalen Green
- RJ Barrett

[76ciology]

Look at where the Wolves are

Read on Twitter

[DCasey91]

I still don’t really get the outcry over Joe. He had one good game as a starter, has been fine as a 10-15 mpg guy off the bench on one of the worst teams in the league. I liked Wroten and Ish Smith, but I get that they aren’t legitimate contributors on contenders.

Not saying Joe can’t be, but he’s a 6’4 volume shooter with minimal ability to create and pretty exploitable on defense. At least Springer can be a positive on both sides of the ball (and is actually elite on defense).

I like the disparity in evaluating. Springer isn’t nothing nada, he isn’t elite at anything. It’s the NBA

Joe is shooting at an elite level this year, and has put on size. Duh he’s in his early 20’s

Said before he shot 41% and 37% from 3 when he got playing time here. Look at January splits he had a stretch of 10-20 min games all of a sudden he starts getting sub 10 min.

It’s Doc the coach, he’s crap. He’s done as a coach. Should have been fired after the Hawks series.

I'm confused, I posted a screen grab of him decidedly not shooting well with the Sixers last year when given time. I don't know where the 41% and 37% are coming from unless you're cherry picking the month of January last year as an indication of his full body of work.

He's definitely a good shooter. Needs a larger sample size before I give him the "elite" label. I call Springer elite in my post and that's also theoretical as well since the sample size is small.

You won't find a Doc Rivers sympathizer here. I'm not even a big Springer fan, tbh. I'm just not broken up about Joe leaving since his position in particular is incredibly saturated in the league and I don't think he has enough tools outside of shooting to really solidify his spot on this team. Probably should have had more opportunities here, but them the shakes.

First year he shot 41% when given mins and 37% overall when given mins (100 attempts), just round the basic mins played and shot attempts, easy.

I agree he isn’t an elite shooter yet but he’s shooting it at an elite clip.

Anyone with a pulse on the bench is greatly welcome for us lol.

The problem I see is instead of wavering Joe you can try and find any sort of asset on the come back. Do the same thing with Korkmaz/Thybulle.

I also agree there’s an abundance of talent but it’s no use if the FO doesn’t capitalise on it. In fact we do the opposite.

Take Reed for example, Morey crapped it with getting Harrell, as it shortens his development and trade value by a lot imo. Now a team can buy him at a very low price if it comes to that but knowing us it’ll be another freebie lol. It’s just poor asset management imho.

We should be doing this each year. If it were up to me all of Korkma/Milton/Thybulle would be long gone. Thybulle is the only one that has direct good value on the team per suited to role but once again somehow we eneded with Tucker so it’s more retraction if perceived market value.

Also don’t give into players we’ve done it time and time again. Hold firm, your a manager for a reason. See KD, Embiid, Simmons, Jordan, Harden etc, the list is long. It’s your job not theirs.

Matisse shot 38% with Harden on the court at the turn last year. Now it’s like what is the play here? Tucker is no good atm on long mins. And will get worse as Doc has gone full Thibs. Harden might not even make it to the playoffs at this rate.

Long rant I know but it’s the overall management problem that does my head in. It’s so simple not even ego could get in the way.

[youngcrev]

It's funny to see how Horford Oakie doked this franchise. Multiple years later, he's still playing good basketball

Al is just the scape goat the Philly sports media wants you to believe.

2019-2020 Sixers (almost consensus projected to make finals)
11.9ppg 6.8rpg 4apg 1.7 stocks

2022-2023 Celtics
9.4ppg 6.1rpg 2.5apg 1.5 stocks

Ben was the one who “oakie doked” this franchise. Made us believe he can and will take the next step.

That season we were missing our second best scorer which is part of our bread and butter offense while having the worst shooting backcourt in league history.

That's absolutely not true

[Kobblehead]

Players who are more usage than substance
- Jalen Green
- RJ Barrett

Yeah, Jalen Green is looking like a microwave bench scorer as opposed to a star player that can lead your team to the playoffs. He's basically Coby White. Very disappointing for all the hype he had.

[Negrodamus]

I like the disparity in evaluating. Springer isn’t nothing nada, he isn’t elite at anything. It’s the NBA

Joe is shooting at an elite level this year, and has put on size. Duh he’s in his early 20’s

Said before he shot 41% and 37% from 3 when he got playing time here. Look at January splits he had a stretch of 10-20 min games all of a sudden he starts getting sub 10 min.

It’s Doc the coach, he’s crap. He’s done as a coach. Should have been fired after the Hawks series.

I'm confused, I posted a screen grab of him decidedly not shooting well with the Sixers last year when given time. I don't know where the 41% and 37% are coming from unless you're cherry picking the month of January last year as an indication of his full body of work.

He's definitely a good shooter. Needs a larger sample size before I give him the "elite" label. I call Springer elite in my post and that's also theoretical as well since the sample size is small.

You won't find a Doc Rivers sympathizer here. I'm not even a big Springer fan, tbh. I'm just not broken up about Joe leaving since his position in particular is incredibly saturated in the league and I don't think he has enough tools outside of shooting to really solidify his spot on this team. Probably should have had more opportunities here, but them the shakes.

First year he shot 41% when given mins and 37% overall when given mins (100 attempts), just round the basic mins played and shot attempts, easy.

I agree he isn’t an elite shooter yet but he’s shooting it at an elite clip.

Anyone with a pulse on the bench is greatly welcome for us lol.

The problem I see is instead of wavering Joe you can try and find any sort of asset on the come back. Do the same thing with Korkmaz/Thybulle.

I also agree there’s an abundance of talent but it’s no use if the FO doesn’t capitalise on it. In fact we do the opposite.

Take Reed for example, Morey crapped it with getting Harrell, as it shortens his development and trade value by a lot imo. Now a team can buy him at a very low price if it comes to that but knowing us it’ll be another freebie lol. It’s just poor asset management imho.

We should be doing this each year. If it were up to me all of Korkma/Milton/Thybulle would be long gone. Thybulle is the only one that has direct good value on the team per suited to role but once again somehow we eneded with Tucker so it’s more retraction if perceived market value.

Also don’t give into players we’ve done it time and time again. Hold firm, your a manager for a reason. See KD, Embiid, Simmons, Jordan, Harden etc, the list is long. It’s your job not theirs.

Matisse shot 38% with Harden on the court at the turn last year. Now it’s like what is the play here? Tucker is no good atm on long mins. And will get worse as Doc has gone full Thibs. Harden might not even make it to the playoffs at this rate.

Long rant I know but it’s the overall management problem that does my head in. It’s so simple not even ego could get in the way.

I can promise you that the FO isn’t as focused on the end of bench players as we are. They are concerned more about how to make the money work while being competitive at this juncture.

These guys all get their opportunity in practice and moments we don’t see. They also get chances in games to leave their mark. In those moments, they need to stand out, not simply fit in, in order to stick.

[Mik317]

again I am pissed that we let both Joe and Bassey go...

but its more so the fact that we let them go for nothing , still have an open roster spot and are carrying worse players with less upside. In a vacuum its not a big deal but its the constant flippancy and misuse of the roster that bugs me. Same thing as not using the gazillion second round picks we had.... in theory it shouldn't matter but the best teams do their best work there IMO.

we have sucked on the margins since getting lucky with Beli and Ersan those years back.

i agree I think Joe got enough chances to truly prove himself (I think Bassey did not but I also think he **** himself with his little hold out and being hot ass in the summer league) but its the idea more so than the reality of it all that bothers me. Like we have 2 way guys who will never see action..ever... Like why are we still carrying Champagne? dude didn't even see time when we were down people ffs. We are running PJ Tucker into the ground. Harden leads the league in minutes lol. These are things that shouldn't be as big of a deal as we make it out to be but still..feels like this team acts like only 10 players exist at a time instead of the 15+ we could use... especially one that still lacks things.

[76ciology]

It's funny to see how Horford Oakie doked this franchise. Multiple years later, he's still playing good basketball

Al is just the scape goat the Philly sports media wants you to believe.

2019-2020 Sixers (almost consensus projected to make finals)
11.9ppg 6.8rpg 4apg 1.7 stocks

2022-2023 Celtics
9.4ppg 6.1rpg 2.5apg 1.5 stocks

Ben was the one who “oakie doked” this franchise. Made us believe he can and will take the next step.

That season we were missing our second best scorer which is part of our bread and butter offense while having the worst shooting backcourt in league history.

That's absolutely not true

Here we go again. Just google it.

538 has a couple of articles. Start the season even up to the middle of the season.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/our-way-too-early-projections-for-the-2019-20-nba-season/

Zach lowe

Watch on YouTube

Andrew Sharpe and Ben Golliver
https://www.si.com/.amp/nba/2019/07/01/open-floor-podcast-al-horford-sixers-celtics-joel-embiid-ben-simmons-free-agency

Watch on YouTube

We’re still the favorites by this point

Watch on YouTube

[Kobblehead]

The Al Horford thing could have worked with the right guard play. It was never going to work with Ben Simmons. Now that we have guards that can dribble penetrate and are willing to shoot it from three, we should re-try. Go trade for Wendell Carter.

[youngcrev]

Al is just the scape goat the Philly sports media wants you to believe.

2019-2020 Sixers (almost consensus projected to make finals)
11.9ppg 6.8rpg 4apg 1.7 stocks

2022-2023 Celtics
9.4ppg 6.1rpg 2.5apg 1.5 stocks

Ben was the one who “oakie doked” this franchise. Made us believe he can and will take the next step.

That season we were missing our second best scorer which is part of our bread and butter offense while having the worst shooting backcourt in league history.

That's absolutely not true

Here we go again. Just google it.

538 has a couple of articles. Start the season even up to the middle of the season.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/our-way-too-early-projections-for-the-2019-20-nba-season/

Zach lowe

Watch on YouTube

Andrew Sharpe and Ben Golliver
https://www.si.com/.amp/nba/2019/07/01/open-floor-podcast-al-horford-sixers-celtics-joel-embiid-ben-simmons-free-agency

Watch on YouTube

We’re still the favorites by this point

Watch on YouTube

Cool, now here's the actual betting odds:
https://www.sportsbettingdime.com/nba/2020-eastern-western-conference-odds/

Some people picking them doesn't make it a consensus. They were a popular pick, but not even a majority.

The Bucks were the favorite pretty much the entire year to come out of the East, except for maybe that blip on Christmas that had us all excited.

If they would have just run it back like so many were begging for that off-season, I think there's a legit chance we would have had a parade by now.