Jaylen Brown Discussion Thread - New and Improved!

[MagicBagley18]

Ya know I've come to accept, (actually long been there), that Jaylen will never experience considerable growth in the floor game department. He is what he is, kind of a one dimensional scoring machine guy. But what irks me to no end is the fact that a guy with his quickness and strength should be getting to the line a lot more often. This dude should be averaging 8-10 attempts at minimum, it's very aggravating to watch him settle for these 2's at the higher end of difficulty.

Also I'm concerned that Joe won't give him the tough love he needs, when Jaylen feels the need to experiment. Despite the numbers I haven't seen progression from Jaylen this season.

Watch how you’ll be called out now for your very fair opinions and observations (even though you’ve defended jaylen as much as anyone).On the last point also wonder that about joe.

[Wes-J]

I've only defended Jaylen as much as anyone because I've felt the "level'' of criticism is unwarranted in many cases. There's this bizarre need to choose between Tatum and Jaylen and the constant adnaseum comparisons between the two. We've got both, and both are here to stay for a long time.

Tatum is undisputedly better, I don't get the need to trash Jaylen because of this fact. Jaylen is firmly entrenched as a league wide #2 guy, and with any luck he'll be a championship support level player like a Klay Thompson.

I'm on his side but I've got no issues calling him out when he's not playing at a level to which he's capable. Same goes for Tatum, but everybody must understand my expectation, standard, is much higher than Jaylen's. I don't like talks of MVP when the team is something like 9-8 in the last 17, that's just Toronto level mediocre.

[flintsky21]

I've only defended Jaylen as much as anyone because I've felt the "level'' of criticism is unwarranted in many cases. There's this bizarre need to choose between Tatum and Jaylen and the constant adnaseum comparisons between the two. We've got both, and both are here to stay for a long time.

Tatum is undisputedly better, I don't get the need to trash Jaylen because of this fact. Jaylen is firmly entrenched as a league wide #2 guy, and with any luck he'll be a championship support level player like a Klay Thompson.

I'm on his side but I've got no issues calling him out when he's not playing at a level to which he's capable. Same goes for Tatum, but everybody must understand my expectation, standard, is much higher than Jaylen's. I don't like talks of MVP when the team is something like 9-8 in the last 17, that's just Toronto level mediocre.

Oh how great would it be if everyone thinks like this, right? But then it would make one boring forum. Did the Marcus Smart hate at its peak even come close to this?

Jaylen is not as talented as Tatum. True. He's older than Tatum. True. It's also true that he can still improve. It's also true that he can still close the gap between the two of them. And it's true that the closer Jaylen closes that gap, the better we will be.

The thing is will it hurt Tatum's MVP chances (now and in the future) the better Jaylen becomes? LBJ wasn't winning MVPs with Wade and Bosh at his side. Neither did both Steph and Durant when they were wearing the same uniform. Could this be why people are so insistent on pushing the narrative that Jaylen is horrible, not even top 25, and that the Jays are not even the best duo in the league? I don't know. I don't know.

[Feed Your Head]

I've only defended Jaylen as much as anyone because I've felt the "level'' of criticism is unwarranted in many cases. There's this bizarre need to choose between Tatum and Jaylen and the constant adnaseum comparisons between the two. We've got both, and both are here to stay for a long time.

Tatum is undisputedly better, I don't get the need to trash Jaylen because of this fact. Jaylen is firmly entrenched as a league wide #2 guy, and with any luck he'll be a championship support level player like a Klay Thompson.

I'm on his side but I've got no issues calling him out when he's not playing at a level to which he's capable. Same goes for Tatum, but everybody must understand my expectation, standard, is much higher than Jaylen's. I don't like talks of MVP when the team is something like 9-8 in the last 17, that's just Toronto level mediocre.

Oh how great would it be if everyone thinks like this, right? But then it would make one boring forum. Did the Marcus Smart hate at its peak even come close to this?

Jaylen is not as talented as Tatum. True. He's older than Tatum. True. It's also true that he can still improve. It's also true that he can still close the gap between the two of them. And it's true that the closer Jaylen closes that gap, the better we will be.

The thing is will it hurt Tatum's MVP chances (now and in the future) the better Jaylen becomes? LBJ wasn't winning MVPs with Wade and Bosh at his side. Neither did both Steph and Durant when they were wearing the same uniform. Could this be why people are so insistent on pushing the narrative that Jaylen is horrible, not even top 25, and that the Jays are not even the best duo in the league? I don't know. I don't know.

The Jaylen hate pales in comparison to the Smart stuff, honestly isn’t even close. This board was a war zone over Marcus lol.

You say Jaylen will improve, and it’s true that he will. But as far as closing the gap? That’s assuming the younger Tatum won’t continue improving, which we both know isn’t true. There’s always going to be a sizable gap there, it is what it is.

The mvp thing is a weird argument, Tatum is one of the top 3 favorites, think he was second on todays nba mvp ladder. Jaylen playing like an all star isn’t impacting it at all.

[BK_2020]

Could this be why people are so insistent on pushing the narrative that Jaylen is horrible, not even top 25, and that the Jays are not even the best duo in the league? I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know but for me, Jaylen is not top 25 (which is a far cry from "horrible") because I value defense, passing, and other such things that don't show up on the box score sheets, and I give a fair amount of weight to on/off numbers that are consistent.
Also I don't really value volume scoring as a 2nd option on averag-ish efficiency that highly, especially when that volume scoring doesn't result in shot creation for teammates.

[Patsfan1081]

I've only defended Jaylen as much as anyone because I've felt the "level'' of criticism is unwarranted in many cases. There's this bizarre need to choose between Tatum and Jaylen and the constant adnaseum comparisons between the two. We've got both, and both are here to stay for a long time.

Tatum is undisputedly better, I don't get the need to trash Jaylen because of this fact. Jaylen is firmly entrenched as a league wide #2 guy, and with any luck he'll be a championship support level player like a Klay Thompson.

I'm on his side but I've got no issues calling him out when he's not playing at a level to which he's capable. Same goes for Tatum, but everybody must understand my expectation, standard, is much higher than Jaylen's. I don't like talks of MVP when the team is something like 9-8 in the last 17, that's just Toronto level mediocre.

Oh how great would it be if everyone thinks like this, right? But then it would make one boring forum. Did the Marcus Smart hate at its peak even come close to this?

Jaylen is not as talented as Tatum. True. He's older than Tatum. True. It's also true that he can still improve. It's also true that he can still close the gap between the two of them. And it's true that the closer Jaylen closes that gap, the better we will be.

The thing is will it hurt Tatum's MVP chances (now and in the future) the better Jaylen becomes? LBJ wasn't winning MVPs with Wade and Bosh at his side. Neither did both Steph and Durant when they were wearing the same uniform. Could this be why people are so insistent on pushing the narrative that Jaylen is horrible, not even top 25, and that the Jays are not even the best duo in the league? I don't know. I don't know.

The Jaylen hate pales in comparison to the Smart stuff, honestly isn’t even close. This board was a war zone over Marcus lol.

You say Jaylen will improve, and it’s true that he will. But the same is true for Tatum, so there’s always going to be a large gap there.

The mvp thing is a weird argument, Tatum is one of the top 3 favorites, think he was second on todays nba mvp ladder. Jaylen playing like an all star isn’t impacting it at all.

Fans had more to gripe about with Smart though, his hot selection and flopping were much bigger issues than anything JB did on the court. But as for JB, like others have said he could be getting to the line more and averaging five plus assist a night if he played to his strengths. Tatum gets that talk because other aspects of his game are stronger(though I still think hi assist numbers should be greater).

[Stan34]

I've only defended Jaylen as much as anyone because I've felt the "level'' of criticism is unwarranted in many cases. There's this bizarre need to choose between Tatum and Jaylen and the constant adnaseum comparisons between the two. We've got both, and both are here to stay for a long time.

Tatum is undisputedly better, I don't get the need to trash Jaylen because of this fact. Jaylen is firmly entrenched as a league wide #2 guy, and with any luck he'll be a championship support level player like a Klay Thompson.

I'm on his side but I've got no issues calling him out when he's not playing at a level to which he's capable. Same goes for Tatum, but everybody must understand my expectation, standard, is much higher than Jaylen's. I don't like talks of MVP when the team is something like 9-8 in the last 17, that's just Toronto level mediocre.

Oh how great would it be if everyone thinks like this, right? But then it would make one boring forum. Did the Marcus Smart hate at its peak even come close to this?

Jaylen is not as talented as Tatum. True. He's older than Tatum. True. It's also true that he can still improve. It's also true that he can still close the gap between the two of them. And it's true that the closer Jaylen closes that gap, the better we will be.

The thing is will it hurt Tatum's MVP chances (now and in the future) the better Jaylen becomes? LBJ wasn't winning MVPs with Wade and Bosh at his side. Neither did both Steph and Durant when they were wearing the same uniform. Could this be why people are so insistent on pushing the narrative that Jaylen is horrible, not even top 25, and that the Jays are not even the best duo in the league? I don't know. I don't know.

Yes, every JB hater or diet hater is a Tatum lover.

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[Feed Your Head]

Oh how great would it be if everyone thinks like this, right? But then it would make one boring forum. Did the Marcus Smart hate at its peak even come close to this?

Jaylen is not as talented as Tatum. True. He's older than Tatum. True. It's also true that he can still improve. It's also true that he can still close the gap between the two of them. And it's true that the closer Jaylen closes that gap, the better we will be.

The thing is will it hurt Tatum's MVP chances (now and in the future) the better Jaylen becomes? LBJ wasn't winning MVPs with Wade and Bosh at his side. Neither did both Steph and Durant when they were wearing the same uniform. Could this be why people are so insistent on pushing the narrative that Jaylen is horrible, not even top 25, and that the Jays are not even the best duo in the league? I don't know. I don't know.

The Jaylen hate pales in comparison to the Smart stuff, honestly isn’t even close. This board was a war zone over Marcus lol.

You say Jaylen will improve, and it’s true that he will. But the same is true for Tatum, so there’s always going to be a large gap there.

The mvp thing is a weird argument, Tatum is one of the top 3 favorites, think he was second on todays nba mvp ladder. Jaylen playing like an all star isn’t impacting it at all.

Fans had more to gripe about with Smart though, his hot selection and flopping were much bigger issues than anything JB did on the court. But as for JB, like others have said he could be getting to the line more and averaging five plus assist a night if he played to his strengths. Tatum gets that talk because other aspects of his game are stronger(though I still think hi assist numbers should be greater).

I don’t disagree about what you said about Smart, I’m just saying it was WAY more volatile than any of the Jaylen stuff lol.

As far as Jaylen playing to his strengths, it’s tied to lack of feel for the game. It’s his 7th season, I do think he is what he is when it comes to that. It’s on Joe/the staff at this point IMO.

[shackles10]

Probably why Smart is the first to defend JB. The Smart hate was/is different in how bad it was but also in the argument. Most of the Jaylen “haters” still say he’s a good player when push comes to shove, even if the 13 other paragraphs about him don’t really have them saying that. The Smart haters said he shouldn’t be playing at all and how terrible he was.

[Wes-J]

Lots of Smart, Jaylen, Grant, and White haters.

Tatum, Horford, Brogdon, Rob are safe.

Pritchard, Hauser, and Kornet wish they had any amount of attention lol.

[Curmudgeon]

Jaylen doesn't take care of the ball. That flaw negates many of the good things he does. Not all of them, but too many. Every time he starts that tricky dribble routine I cringe.

[Parliament10]

[Wes-J]

Jaylen doesn't take care of the ball. That flaw negates many of the good things he does. Not all of them, but too many. Every time he starts that tricky dribble routine I cringe.

Yes it's a damn shame because he doesn't even need to do that, he's plenty quick and strong enough to get by most athletes.

[Stan34]

Media are right about 9 out of 10. Jaylen pick is awful

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[MagicBagley18]

Media are right about 9 out of 10. Jaylen pick is awful

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He’s not close to any single one of these guys in talent….his closest guy on that list would be Mitchell every single other guy is in a completely different galaxy than brown and Mitchell has distanced himself from that tier this year.

[Stan34]

Media are right about 9 out of 10. Jaylen pick is awful

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He’s not close to any single one of these guys in talent….his closest guy on that list would be Mitchell every single other guy is in a completely different galaxy than brown and Mitchell has distanced himself from that tier this year.

Bla bla bla bla... Hater

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[Wes-J]

It's a little bizarre with Brown in that top 10.

[SuperDeluxe]

Media are right about 9 out of 10. Jaylen pick is awful

He’s not close to any single one of these guys in talent….his closest guy on that list would be Mitchell every single other guy is in a completely different galaxy than brown and Mitchell has distanced himself from that tier this year.

Bla bla bla bla... Hater

Maybe try to make your point without resorting to this? It's childish, repetitive, and contributes nothing to the conversation.

[Stan34]

He’s not close to any single one of these guys in talent….his closest guy on that list would be Mitchell every single other guy is in a completely different galaxy than brown and Mitchell has distanced himself from that tier this year.

Bla bla bla bla... Hater

Maybe try to make your point without resorting to this? It's childish, repetitive, and contributes nothing to the conversation.

There is no conversation man. Those guys change their narrative every **** time. They stressed people about JB that made only one All Star Game. They always act like those awards are so important while I always told them that PO performance are most important. Right now that Jaylen is 9th in the MVP race they talk about talent.
Wake up man! Comedian, BK2020, MagicBagley, Objectivity and some others here and there are Tatum fanboys that cant stand JB.
They root for JB failure! It's so evident!

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[Feed Your Head]

Y’all broke stan.

Blah blah blah, any stats that paint Jaylen as less than some want to believe, they don’t matter.

Blah blah blah, any on/off stats that paint Jaylen as less than some want to believe, they don’t matter.

Most of us post statistical data for our arguments, you post nothing of substance. As always, the answer lies in the middle. Jaylen isn’t as bad as some say, and he isn’t as good as some others say.

For instance, in Jaylen’s top 25 usage games, the Celtics are 14-11, a 13% drop from their season win percentage. That tells me the ball is in his hands too much, that’s on Joe and the coaches to fix.