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DanishLakerFan wrote:No superstar should ever sign in LA with the way they've fumbled things this past decade. The only think they've done well is draft.
I hope Lebron sits out with "back problems" and demands a trade when he's two points away from breaking Kareems scoring record.
Kilroy wrote:O
Can't hate them that much because they can't do a whole lot without LeBron's approval...
Kilroy wrote:Ownership is between a rock and a hard place, and it makes you wonder if that's not exactly where LeBron wants them...
Can't hate them that much because they can't do a whole lot without LeBron's approval... But what's on the court right now is complete crap, and they're not doing a great job controlling the narrative... They're still living in a world where star players show their appreciation for 'loyalty'... They haven't realized yet that the more they try to keep LeBron happy, the deeper the whole they dig for themselves with their fans and their future. LeBron isn't Kobe... He doesn't give a **** about the Lakers or their fans. Just like he doesn't about Cleveland, or Miami...
So **** him now, or get **** by him later... that's the choice... Only question is timing.
tamaraw08 wrote:Kilroy wrote:Ownership is between a rock and a hard place, and it makes you wonder if that's not exactly where LeBron wants them...
Can't hate them that much because they can't do a whole lot without LeBron's approval... But what's on the court right now is complete crap, and they're not doing a great job controlling the narrative... They're still living in a world where star players show their appreciation for 'loyalty'... They haven't realized yet that the more they try to keep LeBron happy, the deeper the whole they dig for themselves with their fans and their future. LeBron isn't Kobe... He doesn't give a **** about the Lakers or their fans. Just like he doesn't about Cleveland, or Miami...
So **** him now, or get **** by him later... that's the choice... Only question is timing.
OMG, so Ownership is now the victim because they made the deal with the ultimate Devil himself Satan who completely controls every decisions for the team.
Yes, they try to make Lebron happy...but as long as those decisions DO NOT SEVERELY CUT THEIR PROFITS.
Lebron WANTED Ty Lue to be the Head coach, a freaking WINNING FORMULA that worked in Cleveland, but they decided to make a lame duck offer limiting years of service and NOT having any options to pick his assistants, forcing Lue to decline.
So fine, Vogel with 2 great assistants worked... then what? they let Kidd walk and Hollins retire, replaced them Fizdale and simply promoted an untested inexperienced Mike Penberthy for the purpose of... SAVING MONEY!!!!!
They let Caruso walk, you think Lebron is so stupid enough that he ordered Rob to let the one guy who had a +16 pts with James on the court walk for nothing?
Laker got rid of Judy Seto and didn't replaced her.. because....? to save $$$$$ You really think Lebron have anything to do with that?
They shired a rookie coach and didn't bother to acquire assistants who have head coaching experience...Could it be because guys like Terry Stotts and Snyder are way out of their BUDGET?
They just simply waived their BEST SHOOTER who happens to be 6-9. Usually if you waive someone, you replace him with someone better... but where is the replacement?, hmmm may be another cost cutting move?
Am I being very presumptive about these owners? Perhaps.. but Aren't you also being presumptive about Lebron not caring about this team and the fans? Can't we accept it that he wants to win games too? I spent hard earned money to watch this team play in February and not a few of you are advocating to simply stay pUt and not doing anything to improve this team's roster because.... so you can piss Lebron off and punish him?
sonnyhill wrote:wco81 wrote:If the sale of the Suns go through at $4 billion, Lakers would go for at least $6 billion, even if they don't own their own stadium.
Maybe that would entice the Buss family to cash out and sell to some really deep-pocket owner who's not afraid of the luxury tax.
During a November trip to Belgium, I had read an article in an European journal which had speculated how both LeBron and Drake, primarily through Main Street Advisors, along with Tom Werner and John Henry, LeBrons’ partners in Fenway Sports Group, are preparing to make an offer to purchase the Lakers. Main Street Advisors, with both LeBron and Drake as participants, recently purchased a stake in AC Milan, an Italian soccer team, and Fenway Sports Group, with LeBron and Maverick Carter as a participants since 2011, had purchased Liverpool FC of the Premier League.
stan francisco wrote:I’m going to guess that Jeannie wants to hang LBJ’s jersey on the wall. That’s her planned lasting legacy, I think. Would she cling to that at the cost of losing seasons and causing a deep rebuild? I think so. I think she thinks daddy would be proud if she managed to land LBJ and retire his jersey next to Magic’s and Cap’s and Kobe’s.
Unfortunately.
Not my place to have an opinion on what anyone owns, but as a fan I’d like to see basketball decisions made by basketball people.
Like Dr Buss did it, by delegating. Not to Linda Rambis. To peeps like Jerry West.
JLei wrote:sonnyhill wrote:wco81 wrote:If the sale of the Suns go through at $4 billion, Lakers would go for at least $6 billion, even if they don't own their own stadium.
Maybe that would entice the Buss family to cash out and sell to some really deep-pocket owner who's not afraid of the luxury tax.
During a November trip to Belgium, I had read an article in an European journal which had speculated how both LeBron and Drake, primarily through Main Street Advisors, along with Tom Werner and John Henry, LeBrons’ partners in Fenway Sports Group, are preparing to make an offer to purchase the Lakers. Main Street Advisors, with both LeBron and Drake as participants, recently purchased a stake in AC Milan, an Italian soccer team, and Fenway Sports Group, with LeBron and Maverick Carter as a participants since 2011, had purchased Liverpool FC of the Premier League.
Open secret is the Las Vegas expansion franchise is being "reserved" for Lebron's group (which I bet Drake would be part of in a token capacity/ maybe he starts a residency in Vegas or something). They will still have to pay the full expansion fee (no discounts or anything) but they want Lebron to be an owner going forward.
stan francisco wrote:I’m going to guess that Jeannie wants to hang LBJ’s jersey on the wall. That’s her planned lasting legacy, I think. Would she cling to that at the cost of losing seasons and causing a deep rebuild? I think so. I think she thinks daddy would be proud if she managed to land LBJ and retire his jersey next to Magic’s and Cap’s and Kobe’s.
Unfortunately.
Not my place to have an opinion on what anyone owns, but as a fan I’d like to see basketball decisions made by basketball people.
Like Dr Buss did it, by delegating. Not to Linda Rambis. To peeps like Jerry West.
dockingsched wrote:Some fans still see lakers ownership as some victims eh?
The lakers ownership is a freaking mom n pop shop, absolutely no financial resources to invest in the team. This team simply and literally can’t afford to rebuild. They rely on team profits as their only source of income.
They’re like the dodgers when they were owned by frank mccourt. If they ever got a billionaire owner who hires elite front office personnel like Andrew Friedman, someone with a small market track record (presti?) but with a big market budget, it would be over for the rest of the league.
dockingsched wrote:Some fans still see lakers ownership as some victims eh?
The lakers ownership is a freaking mom n pop shop, absolutely no financial resources to invest in the team. This team simply and literally can’t afford to rebuild. They rely on team profits as their only source of income.
They’re like the dodgers when they were owned by frank mccourt. If they ever got a billionaire owner who hires elite front office personnel like Andrew Friedman, someone with a small market track record (presti?) but with a big market budget, it would be over for the rest of the league.
madmaxmedia wrote:dockingsched wrote:Some fans still see lakers ownership as some victims eh?
The lakers ownership is a freaking mom n pop shop, absolutely no financial resources to invest in the team. This team simply and literally can’t afford to rebuild. They rely on team profits as their only source of income.
They’re like the dodgers when they were owned by frank mccourt. If they ever got a billionaire owner who hires elite front office personnel like Andrew Friedman, someone with a small market track record (presti?) but with a big market budget, it would be over for the rest of the league.
I think where the smaller resources come into play is not so much the player payroll, but in the other costs associated with running a top-level organization. I'm pretty sure the Lakers would take on more salary in a trade for a great player because the benefit is tangible, but what about bringing in for example a top POBO to really run the ship? It's harder to justify those outlays because it doesn't directly contribute to on-court success or ticket sales, it is more a long-term ROI.
It's a shame the Laker org went through the ownership struggle with Jim and Jeannie, because I think in the fallout Jeannie had to reach out to those closest to her to help her figure things out. That's very human and understandable to me, but when you go too far with that you end up with the Rambii, a questionable GM choice, the weird fallout with Magic, etc. Out of all that the Lakers still won a championship, I think that's a reflection that there is both good and bad with the Buss family (and just about any ownership.) But the current state of the team also is a reflection of the current FO.
I think there are definitely scenarios in which the Buss family stays and the team enjoys consistent on court success, but that's not the timeline we're living in.
Finally, I'm really curious if say 3 years from now someone will be able to write a good book detailing the behind the scenes of everything starting from say the family battle for control of the team.
Kilroy wrote:Ownership is between a rock and a hard place, and it makes you wonder if that's not exactly where LeBron wants them...
Can't hate them that much because they can't do a whole lot without LeBron's approval... But what's on the court right now is complete crap, and they're not doing a great job controlling the narrative... They're still living in a world where star players show their appreciation for 'loyalty'... They haven't realized yet that the more they try to keep LeBron happy, the deeper the whole they dig for themselves with their fans and their future. LeBron isn't Kobe... He doesn't give a **** about the Lakers or their fans. Just like he doesn't about Cleveland, or Miami...
So **** him now, or get **** by him later... that's the choice... Only question is timing.
DanishLakerFan wrote:Kilroy wrote:Ownership is between a rock and a hard place, and it makes you wonder if that's not exactly where LeBron wants them...
Can't hate them that much because they can't do a whole lot without LeBron's approval... But what's on the court right now is complete crap, and they're not doing a great job controlling the narrative... They're still living in a world where star players show their appreciation for 'loyalty'... They haven't realized yet that the more they try to keep LeBron happy, the deeper the whole they dig for themselves with their fans and their future. LeBron isn't Kobe... He doesn't give a **** about the Lakers or their fans. Just like he doesn't about Cleveland, or Miami...
So **** him now, or get **** by him later... that's the choice... Only question is timing.
No they're not between a rock and a hard place. They're just incompetent which they've been for more than a decade. There are so many bad moves along the way that its tough to give them a break of any kind.
They have Lebron and AD, who both are top 10 players when they're healthy, yet they refuse to put a team around them to succeed because they're so **** obsessed with getting what they believe is a star. And their definition of star is whoever was an all-star 4 years ago, rather than who is productive today. The result is that they run AD and Bron into the ground.
Kilroy wrote:DanishLakerFan wrote:Kilroy wrote:Ownership is between a rock and a hard place, and it makes you wonder if that's not exactly where LeBron wants them...
Can't hate them that much because they can't do a whole lot without LeBron's approval... But what's on the court right now is complete crap, and they're not doing a great job controlling the narrative... They're still living in a world where star players show their appreciation for 'loyalty'... They haven't realized yet that the more they try to keep LeBron happy, the deeper the whole they dig for themselves with their fans and their future. LeBron isn't Kobe... He doesn't give a **** about the Lakers or their fans. Just like he doesn't about Cleveland, or Miami...
So **** him now, or get **** by him later... that's the choice... Only question is timing.
No they're not between a rock and a hard place. They're just incompetent which they've been for more than a decade. There are so many bad moves along the way that its tough to give them a break of any kind.
They have Lebron and AD, who both are top 10 players when they're healthy, yet they refuse to put a team around them to succeed because they're so **** obsessed with getting what they believe is a star. And their definition of star is whoever was an all-star 4 years ago, rather than who is productive today. The result is that they run AD and Bron into the ground.
I'll counter that with, both AD and LeBron went to the FO and demanded they get Westbrook...
AD and LeBron do nothing without Klutch... So assume Klutch was in the room too... That's a pretty damned-big rock if you ask me... The hard-place being the alternative, which would be to try to trade LeBron and ditch Klutch... Or rather, to tell Klutch and LeBron to pound sand and build the team you think is best around them... Which would almost certainly result in LeBron trade demands...
zimpy27 wrote:Kilroy wrote:DanishLakerFan wrote:
No they're not between a rock and a hard place. They're just incompetent which they've been for more than a decade. There are so many bad moves along the way that its tough to give them a break of any kind.
They have Lebron and AD, who both are top 10 players when they're healthy, yet they refuse to put a team around them to succeed because they're so **** obsessed with getting what they believe is a star. And their definition of star is whoever was an all-star 4 years ago, rather than who is productive today. The result is that they run AD and Bron into the ground.
I'll counter that with, both AD and LeBron went to the FO and demanded they get Westbrook...
AD and LeBron do nothing without Klutch... So assume Klutch was in the room too... That's a pretty damned-big rock if you ask me... The hard-place being the alternative, which would be to try to trade LeBron and ditch Klutch... Or rather, to tell Klutch and LeBron to pound sand and build the team you think is best around them... Which would almost certainly result in LeBron trade demands...
LeBron and Davis have asked for many players. Lakers FO chose Westbrook route because it would cost them the least assets while letting them overpay THT.
LeBron wanted DeMar, LaVine, Caruso, Beal, Wall+Wood