Markkanen going to be selected to the ASG?

FranchisePlayer · Post #21 » by **FranchisePlayer** » Thu Dec 29, 2022 7:54 pm

FJS wrote:The problem is if we are losing as we are doing lately, he wont be.

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IDK. His already good numbers are trending upwards and occasionally he produces some spectacular, crowd-pleasing finishes.

Are there stats of how many players over/under .500 teams have previously been voted to the game?

Post #22 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Thu Dec 29, 2022 8:06 pm

FranchisePlayer wrote:
FJS wrote:The problem is if we are losing as we are doing lately, he wont be.

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IDK. His already good numbers are trending upwards and occasionally he produces some spectacular, crowd-pleasing finishes.

Are there stats of how many players over/under .500 teams get have previously been voted to the game?

The Lakers are likely to have two this season in LeBron and Davis. I don't have stats but it is quite common imho.

FranchisePlayer · Post #23 » by **FranchisePlayer** » Thu Dec 29, 2022 8:13 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:
FranchisePlayer wrote:
FJS wrote:The problem is if we are losing as we are doing lately, he wont be.

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IDK. His already good numbers are trending upwards and occasionally he produces some spectacular, crowd-pleasing finishes.

Are there stats of how many players over/under .500 teams get have previously been voted to the game?

The Lakers are likely to have two this season in LeBron and Davis. I don't have stats but it is quite common imho.

Although those two would've been selected no matter how they would've played this season.

Post #24 » by **FJS** » Fri Dec 30, 2022 9:37 am

Lebron is gonna be selected by fans. No matter what. Davis, I'm not sure, but probably. I think if he is not selected by fans he could be out due to his missed games. (he should be)

FranchisePlayer · Post #25 » by **FranchisePlayer** » Sat Dec 31, 2022 8:23 pm

Although the team is now losing more, based on the Kings game it's really hard to see how Markkanen could be left out. It's a beauty to watch him on the paint. He even had a spell of scoring three consecutive dunks, one of posterizing Sabonis.

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Crunch 99 · Post #26 » by **Crunch 99** » Mon Jan 2, 2023 2:16 pm

FJS wrote:Lebron is gonna be selected by fans. No matter what. Davis, I'm not sure, but probably. I think if he is not selected by fans he could be out due to his missed games. (he should be)

I should never underestimate the capacity for fans to make a bad choice, but Davis' percentage of games played is 69% and falling. For low percentage of games played and the Lakers' losing record that is tied to Davis missing games, I doubt non Laker fans will give Davis enough votes. And even among Laker fans, there is some growing resentment after watching him miss an unacceptable number of games for three successive seasons.

FranchisePlayer · Post #27 » by **FranchisePlayer** » Mon Jan 2, 2023 6:54 pm

Crunch 99 wrote:
FJS wrote:Lebron is gonna be selected by fans. No matter what. Davis, I'm not sure, but probably. I think if he is not selected by fans he could be out due to his missed games. (he should be)

I should never underestimate the capacity for fans to make a bad choice, but Davis' percentage of games played is 69% and falling. For low percentage of games played and the Lakers' losing record that is tied to Davis missing games, I doubt non Laker fans will give Davis enough votes. And even among Laker fans, there is some growing resentment after watching him miss an unacceptable number of games for three successive seasons.

Funny you should mention that; Back in the day by the Bulls fan base Markkanen was ridiculed for being soft and injury prone for missing too many games and in this respect I remember him being compared to AD. "he's not as tough as AD". 3rd consecutive season when Lauri is missing fewer games and AD isn't even in his 30's yet.

FranchisePlayer · Post #28 » by **FranchisePlayer** » Thu Jan 5, 2023 7:53 pm

Markkanen in 7th place.

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FranchisePlayer · Post #29 » by **FranchisePlayer** » Fri Jan 6, 2023 7:37 pm

Lauri breaking records:

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zero24gravity · Post #30 » by **zero24gravity** » Fri Jan 6, 2023 7:47 pm

FranchisePlayer wrote:Markkanen in 7th place.

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Good to see him getting some love. Pretty sure they only reason he's that high (because Utah players don't get votes) is because he still has fans in Cleveland and Chicago. The closer we get to ASG, the better Lauri's chances look of getting added as a reserve by the coaches! (Coaches should be picking the entire team, IMO.)

Post #31 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Sat Jan 7, 2023 11:20 am

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edededtut · Post #32 » by **edededtut** » Sat Jan 7, 2023 1:47 pm

zero24gravity wrote:
FranchisePlayer wrote:Markkanen in 7th place.

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Good to see him getting some love. Pretty sure they only reason he's that high (because Utah players don't get votes) is because he still has fans in Cleveland and Chicago. The closer we get to ASG, the better Lauri's chances look of getting added as a reserve by the coaches! (Coaches should be picking the entire team, IMO.)

There are probably thousands if not tens of thousands of Finns voting for him every day.

Crunch 99 · Post #33 » by **Crunch 99** » Fri Jan 20, 2023 4:13 am

The third fan returns were released today. Fans are still voting for Lebron, Jokic and AD for frontcourt starters. AD has way too many DNPs, and arguably 4th place Zion is in the process of racking up too many DNPs as well. Perhaps with the player and media panel votes, Markkanen could leapfrog those guys to starter? Sabonis deserves consideration for starter too, but we already have a very compelling starting center candidate with Jokic.

tmorgan · Post #34 » by **tmorgan** » Fri Jan 20, 2023 10:34 am

Excuse the random chime-in, but Lauri feels like an absolute lock as a coach’s pick at this point.

17th in scoring, extremely efficient, and low turnovers. Everyone above him on the scoring leaders list turns the ball over more. Only DeRozen is even close.

Post #35 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Fri Jan 20, 2023 11:50 am

The NBA needs to do something about the ridiculous selections fans make. There needs to be a certain standard or threshold. Nobody from the Warriors other than Curry should be anywhere near this list. And even if we make allowance to Green, Klay and Wiggins (all of whom aren't deserving this season), Kevon Looney being on this list is just silly, as well as Austin Reaves (with all due respect).

Crunch 99 · Post #36 » by **Crunch 99** » Tue Jan 24, 2023 3:51 pm

tmorgan wrote:Excuse the random chime-in, but Lauri feels like an absolute lock as a coach’s pick at this point.

17th in scoring, extremely efficient, and low turnovers. Everyone above him on the scoring leaders list turns the ball over more. Only DeRozen is even close.

I could be wrong, but I think the relevant question has changed from whether Markkanen will make the All Star team to whether Markkanen will start in the All Star game. I saw a media guy just two days ago (can't remember which reporter it was) write that he is going to vote Markkanen for starter. And one week ago, Dan Devine at Yahoo Sports wrote this:

Judging by most of the various all-in-one advanced statistical metrics, Markkanen has been, at worst, one of the six best frontcourt players in the West this season. (As of one week ago), he has also played about 200 more minutes than James, 420 more than Paul George, 480 more than Williamson, 600 more than Davis and more than twice as many minutes as Jaren Jackson Jr. This is a case where quality meets quantity; as with Gilgeous-Alexander, the question should be whether Markkanen winds up starting at his home arena, not if he winds up staying in Salt Lake City for All-Star weekend at all. He belongs there.

https://sports.yahoo.com/first-time-nba-all-stars-shai-gilgeous-alexander-lauri-markkanen-among-crowded-field-of-deserving-candidates-181637995.html

zero24gravity · Post #37 » by **zero24gravity** » Tue Jan 24, 2023 4:57 pm

Crunch 99 wrote:
tmorgan wrote:Excuse the random chime-in, but Lauri feels like an absolute lock as a coach’s pick at this point.

17th in scoring, extremely efficient, and low turnovers. Everyone above him on the scoring leaders list turns the ball over more. Only DeRozen is even close.

I could be wrong, but I think the relevant question has changed from whether Markkanen will make the All Star team to whether Markkanen will start in the All Star game. I saw a media guy just two days ago (can't remember which reporter it was) say he is going to give his vote for starter to Markkanen. And one week ago, Dan Devine at Yahoo Sports wrote this:

Judging by most of the various all-in-one advanced statistical metrics, Markkanen has been, at worst, one of the six best frontcourt players in the West this season. (As of one week ago), he has also played about 200 more minutes than James, 420 more than Paul George, 480 more than Williamson, 600 more than Davis and more than twice as many minutes as Jaren Jackson Jr. This is a case where quality meets quantity; as with Gilgeous-Alexander, the question should be whether Markkanen winds up starting at his home arena, not if he winds up staying in Salt Lake City for All-Star weekend at all. He belongs there.

https://sports.yahoo.com/first-time-nba-all-stars-shai-gilgeous-alexander-lauri-markkanen-among-crowded-field-of-deserving-candidates-181637995.html

With fan voting counting for 50% (much better than 100%, but still too much) and placing him 7th, I don't think Lauri will jump into the top 3 with media & player voting. I'm just guessing, but he'd probably have to be the #1 player picked by media/players, in order to make that kind of jump. I could see him ending up 5th, though, jumping Wiggins & George in the final accumulated voting.

I do, however, feel very confident Lauri will get a coaches nod as a reserve.

Clarkson is likely going to have to hope to be added as an injury replacement, if that opportunity comes. I can't imagine him getting picked over Curry, Doncic, Morant, Gilgeous-Alexander, Lillard, Booker, or Fox.

Post #38 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Tue Jan 24, 2023 6:40 pm

How in the hell can Wiggins get so many votes in such a bad season for the Warriors. He was borderline allstar even when they were good last season.

Crunch 99 · Post #39 » by **Crunch 99** » Thu Jan 26, 2023 1:31 pm

So when Dan Devine, the sportswriter I quoted above who was high on Markkanen finally turned in his All Star ballot, he voted for Jokic, Lebron and Sabonis for the frontcourt starters, and says Markkanen is his top pick for frontcourt reserve.

Tough calls, no-brainers and the tall task of selecting 2023 NBA All-Star starters
https://sports.yahoo.com/tough-calls-no-brainers-and-the-tall-task-of-selecting-2023-nba-all-star-starters-160026558.html

zero24gravity · Post #40 » by **zero24gravity** » Thu Jan 26, 2023 3:42 pm

Crunch 99 wrote:So when Dan Devine, the sportswriter I quoted above who was high on Markkanen finally turned in his All Star ballot, he voted for Jokic, Lebron and Sabonis for the frontcourt starters, and says he will vote for Markkanen for his top frontcourt reserve.

Tough calls, no-brainers and the tall task of selecting 2023 NBA All-Star starters
https://sports.yahoo.com/tough-calls-no-brainers-and-the-tall-task-of-selecting-2023-nba-all-star-starters-160026558.html

I think this is very reasonable. There's no shame at all in being the 4th best front-court player in the West, for Lauri.

Glad to see Sabonis getting his due. He's one of those players I watch and think, "why do they LET him do that?", as he stuffs the stat sheet, when really, he's just a very good and efficient player, with multiple skills. (Jokic-light, perhaps.)

Do you think Markkanen will be voted to the ASG?