Gane 39: Sixers @ Pistons 3 pm ET Game Thread (Embiidless Part 3)

[Murray_17]

Oh and doc insists with this lineup, holy ****

[Mik317]

Darth Kork back

[rocketsfan100]

Thybulle might have the quickest hands in the nba.

[Murray_17]

welp, i still think Reed should be playing above Harrell but what do i know.

[Jailblazers7]

Gotta watch the game still but PJ clearly needs to sit for a while for the good of the team and his long-term health.

[Dnt hate]

Thybulle finally got a good amount of minutes, 5 steals and wreaked havoc on defense

[Jailblazers7]

Trez is winning me over because he’s a better passer than he gets credit for. He keeps the offense flowing passing out of the short roll. His defense is what it is but I actually really like what he’s bringing offensively.

[Dnt hate]

Paul Reed played awesome too

[Bum Adebayo]

Thybulle finally got a good amount of minutes, 5 steals and wreaked havoc on defense

Yeah I'm impressed about what he did against meaningless Pistons the worst team in the league, very impressive stuff!

[M2J]

Paul Reed played awesome too

Agreed. I really was interested in seeing him after the last game. Due to the smaller lineups. I along with many of you came into the year interested in the small 5 lineup, and a switch heavy style. I even envisioned Reed or PJ being the 5, but any version of this requires heavy Thybulle and Melton I think. PJs rebounding is on par with his career, yet very disappointing. Good outing by Reed.

The poor turnouts lately when given the chance to play 5 has me thinking that..... He may not be sick and was asked to come off the bench.

[blargh]

Paul Reed played awesome too

Agreed. I really was interested in seeing him after the last game. Due to the smaller lineups. I along with many of you came into the year interested in the small 5 lineup, and a switch heavy style. I even envisioned Reed or PJ being the 5, but any version of this requires heavy Thybulle and Melton I think. PJs rebounding is on par with his career, yet very disappointing. Good outing by Reed.

The poor turnouts lately when given the chance to play 5 has me thinking that..... He may not be sick and was asked to come off the bench.

I think the version of small lineups that work for us are 3-guard and 4-guard lineups with embiid in the middle. Funnel everything to our elite rim protector on defense, and space it out on offense. I’d like to see us end games like that.

Playing small with PJ or Reed doesn’t appeal to me. Part of the advantages of those kind of lineups is a lot of switchability, but we’ve got some shorter guards that you really don’t want switching. That’s why we moved away from the switching after the first few games this season.

[76ciology]

Nerlens Noel sux.

I’d rather have Jrue. This is even if you dont know how Noel will turn out to be. Look at how the game is played. You dont pick a lob and block big (i.e Claxton or Jarett Allen) for a star caliber two way combo guard.

The trend of how basketball is being played favored Jrue over Nerlens.

After we traded Jrue, we spent the next 7 years looking for another star caliber combo guard to compliment biid. While once Jrue paired with Giannis, Bucks won the championship.

9 years down the road. Nerlens is barely getting playing time while our second rounder was outplaying him.

[76ciology]

Paul Reed played awesome too

Agreed. I really was interested in seeing him after the last game. Due to the smaller lineups. I along with many of you came into the year interested in the small 5 lineup, and a switch heavy style. I even envisioned Reed or PJ being the 5, but any version of this requires heavy Thybulle and Melton I think. PJs rebounding is on par with his career, yet very disappointing. Good outing by Reed.

The poor turnouts lately when given the chance to play 5 has me thinking that..... He may not be sick and was asked to come off the bench.

I think the version of small lineups that work for us are 3-guard and 4-guard lineups with embiid in the middle. Funnel everything to our elite rim protector on defense, and space it out on offense. I’d like to see us end games like that.

Playing small with PJ or Reed doesn’t appeal to me. Part of the advantages of those kind of lineups is a lot of switchability, but we’ve got some shorter guards that you really don’t want switching. That’s why we moved away from the switching after the first few games this season.

My two cents

You need wings that cast a shadow like a 4-5 on the court (i.e Kawhi, George, Wiggins, Roco or Draymond), if you want Reed or Harrell or PJ at the 5.

If you dont have that, you simply have to run Reed or Harrell together or with Biid and play double big then have a 2-3 guard unit to put some flow on offense.

PJ is not used correctly. PJ is special defending 1 or 5 to deny the two man game. He is now used as a 2-3 on defense, which will only work if you have a big 4-5 like how his role was with the Bucks.

[Eyeamok]

Nerlens Noel sux.

I’d rather have Jrue. This is even if you dont know how Noel will turn out to be. Look at how the game is played. You dont pick a lob and block big (i.e Claxton or Jarett Allen) for a star caliber two way combo guard.

The trend of how basketball is being played favored Jrue over Nerlens.

After we traded Jrue, we spent the next 7 years looking for another star caliber combo guard to compliment biid. While once Jrue paired with Giannis, Bucks won the championship.

9 years down the road. Nerlens is barely getting playing time while our second rounder was outplaying him.

Jrue and Nerlens is was not the issue. The 76ers have had multiple chances to build a winning team, a team that could compete for a championship for several seasons and it has not happened. Why because of bad asset management, getting rid of the wrong players and bad draft picks. If there is a possibility of picking the wrong player or making the wrong deal the 76rrs are right there at the forefront.

The Netflix movie Hustle may have been fictional but it got the bumbling 76ers management 100% correct.

[Eyeamok]

Paul Reed played awesome too

Paul Reed can be chaotic and can make dumb fouls. But the guy has active hands, plays defense, grabs offensive rebounds and works hard. Doc should give the guy a chance to shine in regular games and learn from his mistakes. I still think Doc is upset about last season.

[76ciology]

Nerlens Noel sux.

I’d rather have Jrue. This is even if you dont know how Noel will turn out to be. Look at how the game is played. You dont pick a lob and block big (i.e Claxton or Jarett Allen) for a star caliber two way combo guard.

The trend of how basketball is being played favored Jrue over Nerlens.

After we traded Jrue, we spent the next 7 years looking for another star caliber combo guard to compliment biid. While once Jrue paired with Giannis, Bucks won the championship.

9 years down the road. Nerlens is barely getting playing time while our second rounder was outplaying him.

Jrue and Nerlens is was not the issue. The 76ers have had multiple chances to build a winning team, a team that could compete for a championship for several seasons and it has not happened. Why because of bad asset management, getting rid of the wrong players and bad draft picks. If there is a possibility of picking the wrong player or making the wrong deal the 76rrs are right there at the forefront.

The Netflix movie Hustle may have been fictional but it got the bumbling 76ers management 100% correct.

Jrue/Nerlens is not the “issue” but is one of the major issues why our program underperformed.

The biggest “issue” was drafting Ben Simmons, which was not only a wrong move in a nutshell but compounds our wrong move by choosing him over Kawhi or Jimmy or even Fultz.

We didnt have really many assets. Most of them are junks or nowhere near as high as how we think they should be. Picks and the guys we drafted were not THAT good to expect a lot in return.

The biggest blunder was done by Colangelo, it was with drafting Ben Simmons but he gave us JJ who we wont be a playoff team without him.

The biggest blunder was Elton Brand opting Ben Simmons over Kawhi or Jimmy but he got us two lopsided trades.

The third biggest blunder was draft night 2013 and most of the roster building from 2013-2016, but he got us Embiid.

What were we trying to build from 2013-2016? And if the goal was asset acquisition, we failed to end up with promising talents (see how Lakers did compared to us) or valuable picks (see how Kings pick turned out to be).

Its also easy to generate assets when most of it was acquired by tanking. But the hard part is turning picks into talents, which we failed. And trading all the assets for talent, which we failed until EB took over but eventually he flopped with letting Jimmy go over Ben.

All this is because the guys in charge disregarded the trend of the game. While the game trends towards high powered perimeter scoring, we drafted bigs and GUARDS who can’t shoot. So because of that there’s no use getting picks if we can’t effectively translate them into talent.

And sure we lucked ourselves into drafting Embiid (we were trying to trade for Wiggins than year), but man.. to win the championship is just harder compared to a lot of the top players out there.

Regarding Netlix’s movie Hustle, its a good movie. I also like Avatar 2 and recommend watching it on 3D.

[ivysixer2000]

So basically we been screwing up for a decade or two.

Hopefully we can save it some kind of way, but the window closing on us.

[76ciology]

So basically we been screwing up for a decade or two.

Hopefully we can save it some kind of way, but the window closing on us.

Our saving grace is this ownership (which made a lot of mistakes and is not the smartest decision makers) wants to win a championship, unlike some other franchise that is just out there to make money or simply make the playoffs (i.e Hornets or Knicks).

[M2J]

Paul Reed played awesome too

Paul Reed can be chaotic and can make dumb fouls. But the guy has active hands, plays defense, grabs offensive rebounds and works hard. Doc should give the guy a chance to shine in regular games and learn from his mistakes. I still think Doc is upset about last season.

I think he's had a chance this season. Plus he's been on the roster with the best center in the world for years now. He doesn't know how to play basketball.

But, I initially thought they'd have enough plus players around him. My thought for the "Harden lineup" on the bench was Harden, who is switchable 1-4 as your weakest defender or you can zone up with some disruptive players to a. Melton, Tisse, Harris, and small 5 of Tucker or Reed.... Harden, Melton, Reed, and Harris rebound enough. Harden, Melton and Harris carry the offense. You Could throw House in there sometimes too for small stretches if Harris has played too much. You would think they can get through non Joel minutes with even Tucker at 5. But by now if it ain't working, they got to work towards better options

[Eyeamok]

Paul Reed played awesome too

Paul Reed can be chaotic and can make dumb fouls. But the guy has active hands, plays defense, grabs offensive rebounds and works hard. Doc should give the guy a chance to shine in regular games and learn from his mistakes. I still think Doc is upset about last season.

I think he's had a chance this season. Plus he's been on the roster with the best center in the world for years now. He doesn't know how to play basketball.

But, I initially thought they'd have enough plus players around him. My thought for the "Harden lineup" on the bench was Harden, who is switchable 1-4 as your weakest defender or you can zone up with some disruptive players to a. Melton, Tisse, Harris, and small 5 of Tucker or Reed.... Harden, Melton, Reed, and Harris rebound enough. Harden, Melton and Harris carry the offense. You Could throw House in there sometimes too for small stretches if Harris has played too much. You would think they can get through non Joel minutes with even Tucker at 5. But by now if it ain't working, they got to work towards better options

All the above is true. But the guy shows flashes of getting it and I really want him to succeeded, especially as a 76er. So I am on the fanatic Paul Reed train..