The Washington Football Team Thread

[gambitx777]

Earliest reports on ESPN said Heineke would start and Howell would finish. Later on the ticker said Howell will start.

I wonder if Rivera waffled or he was directly ordered to start Howell?

I have no idea but I really believe in this kid. He really reminds me of Joe theismann honestly. Not tall, but accurate, smart, can move and extend plays, thick enough to take a hit.

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[Dark Faze]

The question is if there's anything he can really do to prevent us from targeting a QB in the draft. It'd be nice to have enough confidence in him to go after a left tackle, but the pressure has to be there to potentially move up for a QB.

[gambitx777]

Dude! If this kid walks into Dallas, on his first start, takes a team that's eliminated, and ruins Dallas's chances of winning the division, playa well and wins the game. It's almost garunteed that he earns some confidence. Plus I personally think he's better than anyone we can get out side of the top 10 picks.

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[gambitx777]

Where we will be drafting
You're looking at guys like Tanner McKee or CJ Stroud. In the first round and honestly I think Howell is better than them.

So I would just wait and see who falls around the 3-4 the rounds.

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[Endless Loop]

So McVay might "step away" from the Rams.

And the sale of the Commanders might well be further along than we know...

Wouldn't McVay back to DC be awesome!?

Just wild speculation...

[TGW]

My initial reaction of this game is that I’m not seeing anything from Howell that would change my mind on the quarterback situation. They need to put whatever assets they have into getting one. If any of the current qbs on the roster are day one starters next season, Ron and his staff need to be replaced.

[gambitx777]

Finished with a QBR of 84 not bad for his first start.

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[long suffrin' boulez fan]

My initial reaction of this game is that I’m not seeing anything from Howell that would change my mind on the quarterback situation. They need to put whatever assets they have into getting one. If any of the current qbs on the roster are day one starters next season, Ron and his staff need to be replaced.

Please elaborate. I totally agree that this one shouldn’t have anyone of us proclaiming him the starter, but, apart from that terrible INT, he was pretty good… and he got jobbed by two no PI calls - the deep ball to Dotson and the slant to McLaurin.

His legs and arm are legit.

[TGW]

My initial reaction of this game is that I’m not seeing anything from Howell that would change my mind on the quarterback situation. They need to put whatever assets they have into getting one. If any of the current qbs on the roster are day one starters next season, Ron and his staff need to be replaced.

Please elaborate. I totally agree that this one shouldn’t have anyone of us proclaiming him the starter, but, apart from that terrible INT, he was pretty good… and he got jobbed by two no PI calls - the deep ball to Dotson and the slant to McLaurin.

His legs and arm are legit.

I’ll rewatch the game, but my initial impression was that he didn’t “kill it.” I think the film will show he had high highs and low lows. Basically what you expect from a rookie. I didn’t see anything that changed my mind on them prioritizing the quarterback position in the offseason, even though admittedly I still wouldn’t have changed my mind if he had killed it.

I think one of the announcers said he’s Heineke with better arm talent, and I agreed with the comp.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

My initial reaction of this game is that I’m not seeing anything from Howell that would change my mind on the quarterback situation. They need to put whatever assets they have into getting one. If any of the current qbs on the roster are day one starters next season, Ron and his staff need to be replaced.

Please elaborate. I totally agree that this one shouldn’t have anyone of us proclaiming him the starter, but, apart from that terrible INT, he was pretty good… and he got jobbed by two no PI calls - the deep ball to Dotson and the slant to McLaurin.

His legs and arm are legit.

I’ll rewatch the game, but my initial impression was that he didn’t “kill it.” I think the film will show he had high highs and low lows. Basically what you expect from a rookie. I didn’t see anything that changed my mind on them prioritizing the quarterback position in the offseason, even though admittedly I still wouldn’t have changed my mind if he had killed it.

I think one of the announcers said he’s Heineke with better arm talent, and I agreed with the comp.

Yep. I’d agree with that. He’s Heineke with a much better arm and a much better ability to run for yardage. And he’s young, so he might develop. Heineke seems better in the pocket buying time and of course going through his progressions.

It’s so hard to know. I could imagine Howell with and OC who is willing to game plan upon his strengths… RPO game, downfield shots, etc.

[TGW]

Yea I have no problem with Howell being one of the quarterbacks next year. Hypothetically, lets say we bring in a vet like Jimmy G, and another draft pick. Have an open competition in camp and let the best man win. I just want the talent at the position to be improved. If they carry three QBs, I want all three to have strong arms and some mobility. I don’t want statues and I don’t want short guys (Howell’s main issue).

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Yes his interception in the end zone was bad, but he showed some mobility and accuracy hitting receivers in stride. His numbers would have been better without a couple of drops. Definitely want to see more, but I too want a vet brought in and a mid round draft pick QB to compete next season.

[DCZards]

Yea I have no problem with Howell being one of the quarterbacks next year. Hypothetically, let’s say we bring in a vet like Jimmy G, and another draft pick. Have an open competition in camp and let the best man win. I just want the talent at the position to be improved. If they carry three QBs, I want all three to have strong arms and some mobility. I don’t want statues and I don’t want short guys (Howell’s main issue).

I don’t see size as an issue. Howell is 6-1. Just like Jalen Hurts. He’s an inch smaller than Patrick Mahomes and Jimmy G., and two inches taller than Russell Wilson.

[Rafael122]

Whatever Howell was going to do in last night's game wasn't going to change my view that our long term QB is not on the team right now. Howell, even though its 1 game, at least proved he can probably be a capable backup. He's like TH but with better arm strength.

We have the 16th pick, so that takes us out of Stroud, Levis and Bryce Young. Anthony Richardson, Florida QB is a huge risk that I don't see Rivera taking. At 16, you're probably looking at tackle or corner (Joey Porter Jr).

Edit: I saw a tweet that basically had the Commanders as the 3rd ranked defense in the league. It's incredibly deflating to have that good of a defense, a) knowing we have weaknesses at linebacker and the secondary and b) knowing that if we even had a semi-decent QB, we would probably be in the playoffs. Like, if Jared Goff were our QB, or IDK....Carr let's say, would we we have 10 or 11 wins right now?

[pancakes3]

i think we can have success as an old-school run-first team + good defense. not every team has to be an offensive juggernaut to have success.

short qb's have a disadvantage seeing over the interior line, and makes over-the-middle plays difficult, but can have just as much success if not more doing RPOs and rollouts, which ties into the strong run game part of the offense. Wilson and the Seahawks had a decade of success off that exact blueprint. it's when you start forcing square pegs into round holes like Wilson on the Broncos now that you run into issues.

[TGW]

i think we can have success as an old-school run-first team + good defense. not every team has to be an offensive juggernaut to have success.

short qb's have a disadvantage seeing over the interior line, and makes over-the-middle plays difficult, but can have just as much success if not more doing RPOs and rollouts, which ties into the strong run game part of the offense. Wilson and the Seahawks had a decade of success off that exact blueprint. it's when you start forcing square pegs into round holes like Wilson on the Broncos now that you run into issues.

Winning a SB nowadays almost requires a top 10-ish quarterback. There are some exceptions every now and then, but I don't think we've see a true run first/defensive oriented team win a SB since the Ravens in 2001.

[pancakes3]

You don't even need to go as far back as Ravens 2001; Buccs 2003 was actually a lower ranked offense that rode a #1 defense to the SB.

And ok, you can't go 3 downs in a cloud of dust any more, but with the advent of RPO, the "run" game has changed too. I'm not saying we recreate the 85 bears out there, but you also don't need to pray for a Mahomes to have a shot.

Eagles 2017 was a sub-4000 yard passing team with a top 5 defense.
Broncos 2015 was a sub-4000 yard passing team with a top 5 defense.
Seahawks 2013 (and almost in 2014) were sub-4000 yard passing teams with top 1 defenses
Ravens 2012 started Flacco
Steelers 2009 only threw for 3300 yards and had a top 1 defense.

Edit to add:

Even this year, the Eagles are again getting it done with jalen hurts under C. The team has 4100 yards passing (but would be sub-4000 if playing a 16 game season, and 14th in the league as far as TDs thrown, 23rd in passes attempted) but 2500 yards rushing and an elite defense. Hurts is an MVP candidate but has zero 400 yard passing games, and the same number of 300-yard games as he has 100-yard games (4).

[gambitx777]

Kurt Warner was 6'2 and drew Breeze was 6'0
I this Sam Howell has a lot of Kurt Warner in him. I think we have other holes we need to fill over reaching for a QB.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

They need to fire Rivera as well.