Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3

[jayu70]

^ Hawks need to dump Collins' contract as soon as possible and Crowder's contract does that.

Hawks need to dump salary and make a play for free agents to help Trae, just like what they did when they picked up Millsap and Korver in 2013

No.
When have the Hawks ever been players for big name free agents.
Hawks just made a money saving trade with Huerter, how is that looking?
I'd be very disappointed if we ended up with Crowder as our starting PF.

Who the hell cares about big names?!...

Dwight was a big name free agent before, LAC Kawhi, BKN Durant... none of them done shhhh

Hawks need to get some cap and get QUALITY free agents who will help Trae, like when the Hawks got Millsap and Korver. or when MIA got Butler, or when BOS got Horford.

As dms pointed out, trading Collins for Cap does not get you enough space to get even the Butlers or Horfords. Those guys still had hefty price tags - very close to max deals.
Milsap was a great signing. Korver we received via trade.

[dms269]

^ Hawks need to dump Collins' contract as soon as possible and Crowder's contract does that.

Hawks need to dump salary and make a play for free agents to help Trae, just like what they did when they picked up Millsap and Korver in 2013

We would have to do a lot more than just dump JC to open up enough cap space to be a player in free agency.
Trae, Murray, Hunter, Capela, Okongwu, and Bogi (accepted player option) make up around $125 million. The cap is projected to be 134 next season.

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Hunter should also go or not ask to get overpaid like Collins.

So you are wanting to trade Collins for cap relief and a newly resigned Hunter also for cap relief?
That would out us at around $115 without draft picks accounted for.
While that is around 20 million to spend, you see now having to find SF and PF in addition to these other pieces you want.

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[King Ken]

I don't see any trade out there that makes even partial sense. If we are gonna tank, we need to do so without any trades. Once dudes start getting hurt, it needs to be naturally extended. We have a trash bench and our starters don't fit. Just roll with the punches and address this again next year. No one has come close to the value are willing to accept for JC so I am not expecting any JC moves. All of the teams interested in JC right now will have money in the summer. We will try this again then.

This summer could be explosive with trades, wait till then to strike. Nothing is out there right now.

[jayu70]

It's trading season - 1st one of 2023.

Should we bring back Gorgui

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[D21]

For sure, it was not perfect but at least it adds a tall guy who can shoot 3s.
He was shooting 3s at .426 here!

[tbhawksfan1]

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We definately have a roster spot or two that are doing nothing but saving Ressler a few pennies and it would keep Frank Tank on the bench

Didn't Nate have a "I don't want to play Delon Wright" thing with Dieng too though?

[jayu70]

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We definately have a roster spot or two that are doing nothing but saving Ressler a few pennies and it would keep Frank Tank on the bench

Didn't Nate have a "I don't want to play Delon Wright" thing with Dieng too though?

Nate's biggest thing is he can only coach 9 guys.
We are $1.7 million under the Luxury Tax. Considering the likely incentives for both Clint and DJ...adding that 15th player may push us above the tax line.
It'll be interesting to see if Vit and Martin's contracts gets guaranteed on Jan 10th.

[OxAndFox]

Would the Hawks have interest in a Barnes/Collins swap? Maybe some tweaking of the first the Kings owe?
It does hurt your D a bit, but Barnes' shooting is what would be of most interest I would assume.

[jayu70]

Would the Hawks have interest in a Barnes/Collins swap? Maybe some tweaking of the first the Kings owe?
It does hurt your D a bit, but Barnes' shooting is what would be of most interest I would assume.

Hurts Defense, rebounding, ability to play the 5 (particularly with Capela out injured). Makes us an even smaller team. Barnes is also shooting just 31% from 3 which has been the Hawks achilles heel this year.

[HMFFL]

Would the Hawks have interest in a Barnes/Collins swap? Maybe some tweaking of the first the Kings owe?
It does hurt your D a bit, but Barnes' shooting is what would be of most interest I would assume.

Barnes typically helps his team but that's different this season. He's been off all season as if something is going on that's not public. I don't believe he fits a need for the Hawks considering how bad of a year he's having. In general, I would expect the Kings to include slightly more.

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[OxAndFox]

Would the Hawks have interest in a Barnes/Collins swap? Maybe some tweaking of the first the Kings owe?
It does hurt your D a bit, but Barnes' shooting is what would be of most interest I would assume.

Barnes typically helps his team but that's different this season. He's been off all season as if something is going on that's not public. I don't believe he fits a need for the Hawks considering how bad of a year he's having. In general, I would expect the Kings to include slightly more.

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I think that's fair. And I can understand anyone that wouldn't want to trade Collins for Barnes. It would certainly need to be a trade that isn't just looked at getting off JCs money but improving the team as well and I'm sure the Kings would add to it.
I don't think anything, in particular, is going on with Barnes, think it's more to do with his role at the start of the season (16.1 usage) and getting adjusted to it. He struggled shooting early on and with his shots decreasing it stood out which was weird because you could tell he was/is having a blast playing on this team.
Since the start of November, he is shooting .342 from 3 and trending upwards. I think he will be at his usual rate of 38-39% by just after the AS break for sure.

Now you could certainly say that he would need to get used to yet another role too.
I noticed some here have said that a problem with Collins is the way coach uses him, puts him in the corner too much. That is where Barnes will shoot a high percentage.

[D21]

I noticed some here have said that a problem with Collins is the way coach uses him, puts him in the corner too much. That is where Barnes will shoot a high percentage.

The problem is that it would make McMillan coaching look a bit better, but still not enough to be real contender.
This team can be better than when they push the ball (and I think they would be faster with Collins than Barnes), share the ball and use all options.
Having a forward being in the corner only is not great at all, even if he's good at shooting from this spot, it will always be better if he's used for other offensive options.

[Jamaaliver]

^I'd say that having a stretch-4 camped out in the corner can work, but you'd need a devastating inside scorer at the Center spot to balance it out.

Think Brook Lopez for Milwaukee. He camps out on the perimeter which leaves the middle of the floor wide open for Giannis to dominate against slower, smaller frontcourt players.

Embiid and Siakam could similarly utilize a player like Harrison Barnes. Maybe even Miami with Bam Adebayo.

Hawks...not so much.

[Jamaaliver]

Bold NBA Trade Predictions

Clippers Land Bogdan Bogdanović & Jalen Johnson



The Clippers, as they stand, need a host of things despite their enviable depth. Another option at the 5, behind Ivica Zubac, feels close to necessary. Unconscious off-ball shooting from someone who won't be targeted as much on defense as Luke Kennard would be nice.

The Atlanta Hawks wouldn't dare move Bogdanović in a vacuum. But they seem just concerned enough about their future finances that they might consider the opportunity to scoop up first-round equity, Robert Covington and store-brand Kevin Huerter (Luke Kennard). Bogdanović would arm the Clippers with an efficient slinger from deep who can do more on-ball work in the half-court than Kennard. And Johnson, while not an offensive boon, would offer switchable center depth for a team that trends small anyway.

Will the Clippers mortgage even more of their future on this core? It's a fair question that, in all likelihood, isn't even a question. Team governor Steve Ballmer is neither risk-averse nor afraid to spend. L.A. can enter the mix for some glitzier returns than many realize if it puts first-round goodies on the table.

Bleacher Report

[jayu70]

Bold NBA Trade Predictions

Clippers Land Bogdan Bogdanović & Jalen Johnson



The Clippers, as they stand, need a host of things despite their enviable depth. Another option at the 5, behind Ivica Zubac, feels close to necessary. Unconscious off-ball shooting from someone who won't be targeted as much on defense as Luke Kennard would be nice.

The Atlanta Hawks wouldn't dare move Bogdanović in a vacuum. But they seem just concerned enough about their future finances that they might consider the opportunity to scoop up first-round equity, Robert Covington and store-brand Kevin Huerter (Luke Kennard). Bogdanović would arm the Clippers with an efficient slinger from deep who can do more on-ball work in the half-court than Kennard. And Johnson, while not an offensive boon, would offer switchable center depth for a team that trends small anyway.

Will the Clippers mortgage even more of their future on this core? It's a fair question that, in all likelihood, isn't even a question. Team governor Steve Ballmer is neither risk-averse nor afraid to spend. L.A. can enter the mix for some glitzier returns than many realize if it puts first-round goodies on the table.

Bleacher Report

This is very badly written. They mention the concern regarding Atlanta's future finances but neglects to point out that they are sending us +$5 mil in this trade which puts us over the LT this season. Plus the $26.3 mil to both these players next season.
LAC's 1st round goodies aren't really goodies, mostly likely late picks if they aren't going to OKC already.

[hawks_fan25]

Who says no to the ATL/PHX trade?

Collins + Justin Holiday for Crowder + Shamet + Saric

The salaries match. PHX gets the best player, but we get a little more perimeter scoring, more toughness from Crowder and more financial flexibility essentially trading JC's contract for Shamet's in future years.

I'm not too high on JC, but he would give PHX a great starting five as their 4.

JC: 29min, 16/8/1 - 36% 3pt
JHoliday: 15min, 4/1/1 - 34% 3pt

Crowder: N/A
Shamet: 23min, 9/2/2 - 39% 3pt
Saric: 11min, 4/3/1 - 35% 3pt

I don't think we have a lot of takers for JC's long term contract, so I think PHX might actually say no to this one. Not sure what their offers are for Crowder though.

[jayu70]

Who says no to the ATL/PHX trade?

Collins + Justin Holiday for Crowder + Shamet + Saric

The salaries match. PHX gets the best player, but we get a little more perimeter scoring, more toughness from Crowder and more financial flexibility essentially trading JC's contract for Shamet's in future years.

I'm not too high on JC, but he would give PHX a great starting five as their 4.

JC: 29min, 16/8/1 - 36% 3pt
JHoliday: 15min, 4/1/1 - 34% 3pt

Crowder: N/A
Shamet: 23min, 9/2/2 - 39% 3pt
Saric: 11min, 4/3/1 - 35% 3pt

I don't think we have a lot of takers for JC's long term contract, so I think PHX might actually say no to this one. Not sure what their offers are for Crowder though.

I'm saying No. Any trade that ends with Crowder as our starting PF is a non starter for me. We have a size and rebounding problem already.
Crowder hasn't played in months, he's 31, he's bound to pull a hammy in his 2nd game back. He got benched for Johnson because of his offensive struggles.

[hawks_fan25]

Who says no to the ATL/PHX trade?

Collins + Justin Holiday for Crowder + Shamet + Saric

The salaries match. PHX gets the best player, but we get a little more perimeter scoring, more toughness from Crowder and more financial flexibility essentially trading JC's contract for Shamet's in future years.

I'm not too high on JC, but he would give PHX a great starting five as their 4.

JC: 29min, 16/8/1 - 36% 3pt
JHoliday: 15min, 4/1/1 - 34% 3pt

Crowder: N/A
Shamet: 23min, 9/2/2 - 39% 3pt
Saric: 11min, 4/3/1 - 35% 3pt

I don't think we have a lot of takers for JC's long term contract, so I think PHX might actually say no to this one. Not sure what their offers are for Crowder though.

I'm saying No. Any trade that ends with Crowder as our starting PF is a non starter for me. We have a size and rebounding problem already.
Crowder hasn't played in months, he's 31, he's bound to pull a hammy in his 2nd game back. He got benched for Johnson because of his offensive struggles.

I got JJ as our starting PF in this scenario with Saric and Crowder splitting backup duties. I don't think the current group goes that far this year anyway, so this is more about the future than anything else. Crowder would at least be playing for a contract next year so as long as he can stay healthy we'd get a good audition from him.

[tbhawksfan1]

I see Ressler isn't the only one that wants to sell cheap on our player assets to save money

[jayu70]

Who says no to the ATL/PHX trade?

Collins + Justin Holiday for Crowder + Shamet + Saric

The salaries match. PHX gets the best player, but we get a little more perimeter scoring, more toughness from Crowder and more financial flexibility essentially trading JC's contract for Shamet's in future years.

I'm not too high on JC, but he would give PHX a great starting five as their 4.

JC: 29min, 16/8/1 - 36% 3pt
JHoliday: 15min, 4/1/1 - 34% 3pt

Crowder: N/A
Shamet: 23min, 9/2/2 - 39% 3pt
Saric: 11min, 4/3/1 - 35% 3pt

I don't think we have a lot of takers for JC's long term contract, so I think PHX might actually say no to this one. Not sure what their offers are for Crowder though.

I'm saying No. Any trade that ends with Crowder as our starting PF is a non starter for me. We have a size and rebounding problem already.
Crowder hasn't played in months, he's 31, he's bound to pull a hammy in his 2nd game back. He got benched for Johnson because of his offensive struggles.

I got JJ as our starting PF in this scenario with Saric and Crowder splitting backup duties. I don't think the current group goes that far this year anyway, so this is more about the future than anything else. Crowder would at least be playing for a contract next year so as long as he can stay healthy we'd get a good audition from him.

Nate is barely playing JJ off the bench with consistent minutes and you think he'll start him now?