If you could re do the Cade, Green and Mobley draft would you go differently

[MrBigShot]

I don't have an issue with the notion that Franz is the best 2nd year player atm or taking him first. In a re-draft I'm not talking Green, because his style of play is selfish and he's an inefficient chucker at the moment. Scottie hasn't taken the step forward people expected. Mobley is a key contributor on a good team and has a very good case for 1, but I have doubts about his ceiling.

I'm biased but I'm still taking Cade #1 and hoping he figures it out, his archetype is perfect for the modern nba.

[OrlMagic05]

I don't have an issue with the notion that Franz is the best 2nd year player atm or taking him first. In a re-draft I'm not talking Green, because his style of play is selfish and he's an inefficient chucker at the moment. Scottie hasn't taken the step forward people expected. Mobley is a key contributor on a good team and has a very good case for 1, but I have doubts about his ceiling.

I'm biased but I'm still taking Cade #1 and hoping he figures it out, his archetype is perfect for the modern nba.

I still think Cade will end up being the best player out of this draft with Franz and Mobley being a close 2nd/3rd, but he needs to stay healthy forsure.

[mattao313]

Wow I know Franz was underrated his rookie season but damn he's really good this season I just looked at his stats.


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[Vampirate]

Repeating it does not make it true.

Wagner has unteachable footwork on both the offensive and defensive end of the court.

What he does not have yet is toughness and the probability of him getting tougher is extremely high because the NBA world is cruel to the weak and people just simply get tougher the older they get.

I mean, I can say that the first 4 picks in the draft have something unteachable that the others don't.

Barnes, Cade and Giddey have the capability of putting up Giannis like stats on any given night. Ie 25 points/ 10 rebounds/ 10 assists.

All 3 have something that restricts them atm, but if either of the 3 figure it out, then that player is basically a franchise changing talent.

Green has the capability to erupt for 40 points on any given night due to his combination of handles and athleticism.

Mobley has the potential to be a playoff shutdown defender, meaning Mobley can basically shut Franz down.

Franz is one of the best finishers at the rim in the NBA. None of the the other lottery picks can say that.



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From 0-10 feet i'm still taking Barnes here, despite having a down year.

In a down year because of November pretty much Barnes



Pretty much Barnes despite having 1 month of having a FG% under 40% is still elite near the rim, and that's consistent with last year.

As Barnes gets further and further away from November, those percentages should also rise.

[basketballRob]

I don't have an issue with the notion that Franz is the best 2nd year player atm or taking him first. In a re-draft I'm not talking Green, because his style of play is selfish and he's an inefficient chucker at the moment. Scottie hasn't taken the step forward people expected. Mobley is a key contributor on a good team and has a very good case for 1, but I have doubts about his ceiling.

I'm biased but I'm still taking Cade #1 and hoping he figures it out, his archetype is perfect for the modern nba.

I feel a rivalry brewing between the Pistons and the Magic. The Pistons have looked better in the first two games this season.

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[formula 400]

1) Green
2) Mobley
3) Cunningham
4) Barnes

yessir

[OrlMagic05]

1) Green
2) Mobley
3) Cunningham
4) Barnes

yessir

And if both of you were GM's youd be fired in 2 seasons.

[formula 400]

1) Green
2) Mobley
3) Cunningham
4) Barnes

yessir

And if both of you were GM's youd be fired in 2 seasons.

lol, what happens first? paolo leaves or the magic gm gets fired?

[Vampirate]

I don't have an issue with the notion that Franz is the best 2nd year player atm or taking him first. In a re-draft I'm not talking Green, because his style of play is selfish and he's an inefficient chucker at the moment. Scottie hasn't taken the step forward people expected. Mobley is a key contributor on a good team and has a very good case for 1, but I have doubts about his ceiling.

I'm biased but I'm still taking Cade #1 and hoping he figures it out, his archetype is perfect for the modern nba.

My biggest critiques is he probably ISOs too much. Maybe that's a coach issue, I don't know.

The conundrum on Cade is his best shot is the most inefficient shot in the NBA, the mid range.

He's a good long mid range shooter, is a good FT shooter and has decent size so his struggles shooting the 3 point shot is a mystery, and he was a 40% three point shooter in college.

[Buckeye-NBAFan]

I think Mobley gets the credit he deserves, and most people are huge fans of his. He's one of those players that had a skill set that shines on solid teams, and because of that he's looked great playing for a Cavs team looking to make the jump.

I think the argument for Franz is that it's much more rare to find legit wings with size that can play like he does. 20-4-4 on 49/35/86 shooting on a 6'9 body at age 21 is legit. Watching Franz play and he's just as smooth on the offensive end as Evan is on the defensive end. He just makes things happen.

Mobley to be the best player he can be, needs a guy like Franz who can score and create offense. Franze to be the best player he can be needs a guy like Mobley to finish plays and hold down the defense.

It's really a matter of preference, but I think both teams and fanbases should be stoked they got the player they did.

[b]Except Franz at 21 isn't anything special. Maybe he can become special, but right now he doesn't have any impact on his teams scoring efficiency, which is why they're near dead last.[/b]


Mobley however is already special. That why his teams have always had top defenses.

Using your phrasing, Franz needs a guy like Mobley now, and Mobley needs a guy like you hope Franz can turn into in the future for that team to be top 10 on offense and defense, because Mobley can anchor a top 10 defense, he already is, and Franz is hopeful he can develop into a guy that can anchor a top 10 offense, but definitely has yet to prove capable of doing that.

You lose credibility when you say things like this. The Magic are 26th in team scoring efficiency only 3 spots behind Bucks. So by your logic Giannis isnt anything special because "he doesnt have any impact on his teams scoring efficiency"

Mobley has a HUGE advantage over most as he plays with the best backcourt in the NBA, whereas Franz really only has Paolo.

You keep arguing defense doesn't matter. Giannis's team is #3 in defense.

Is Giannis's offensive efficiency down this year? Absolutely. Giannis isn't in the MVP conversation right now because of it.

Of course, we know what Giannis is capable of, so you judging him based on a down couple of months is ridiculous.

And Evan Mobley isn't considered an all-NBA level defender because of his backcourt. Did you mean his offense? No one is arguing Mobley's elite offensively. Only that scoring isn't the only thing that matters.

[SOUL]

Feel like a lot of posters don't watch Wagner in here or just have ran with this "role player is playing good but..." narrative for two years now. Maybe he isn't the role-player you think he is and maybe he has just as much upside as anybody else in the class. Nothing wrong with saying he's the second best (or best) currently when you factor in efficiency and his defense (which has been solid for us).

Is his ceiling the best if everybody reaches their ceiling? Absolutely not. That's why he wasn't drafted as high. Hell, even Suggs if he met his ceiling has better potential impact, but it's obvious that in every draft class, most of the class never meets that potential.

Gun to my head, I think impact wise, Mobley doesn't have to improve that much more on offense to have more of an impact than Wagner, but he looks a bit more mechanical than I'd like, so it's no guarantee. There's also a world where Franz literally shoots 2-3% better on threes on more volume, shoots more shots per game (15 FGA currently), stays uber efficiency as a driver, and is a perennial 20-24 ppg guy with the touches going up. He's already at 20 ppg.

I like Cade, have to see the efficiency go up and turnovers down. I'd like to see Wagner's rebounding get a bit better, and his three point shot more consistent. Already spoke on Mobley. Green has to get the efficiency up as well and his decision making needs a major overhaul. Barnes is an enigma that looks all-NBA caliber some games and then looks like he doesn't care in the others, but his talent is obvious. Giddey is a solid numbers guy but advanced stuff don't like him much at all for some reason.

To me, these debates are fun because it's good that there are so much young guys in the league that can actually be in the discussion for top player of their class.

[KillMonger]

I mean, I can say that the first 4 picks in the draft have something unteachable that the others don't.

Barnes, Cade and Giddey have the capability of putting up Giannis like stats on any given night. Ie 25 points/ 10 rebounds/ 10 assists.

All 3 have something that restricts them atm, but if either of the 3 figure it out, then that player is basically a franchise changing talent.

Green has the capability to erupt for 40 points on any given night due to his combination of handles and athleticism.

Mobley has the potential to be a playoff shutdown defender, meaning Mobley can basically shut Franz down.

Franz is one of the best finishers at the rim in the NBA. None of the the other lottery picks can say that.



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From 0-10 feet i'm still taking Barnes here, despite having a down year.

In a down year because of November pretty much Barnes



Pretty much Barnes despite having 1 month of having a FG% under 40% is still elite near the rim, and that's consistent with last year.

As Barnes gets further and further away from November, those percentages should also rise.

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[QingJames]

I mean, I can say that the first 4 picks in the draft have something unteachable that the others don't.

Barnes, Cade and Giddey have the capability of putting up Giannis like stats on any given night. Ie 25 points/ 10 rebounds/ 10 assists.

All 3 have something that restricts them atm, but if either of the 3 figure it out, then that player is basically a franchise changing talent.

Green has the capability to erupt for 40 points on any given night due to his combination of handles and athleticism.

Mobley has the potential to be a playoff shutdown defender, meaning Mobley can basically shut Franz down.

Franz is one of the best finishers at the rim in the NBA. None of the the other lottery picks can say that.



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From 0-10 feet i'm still taking Barnes here, despite having a down year.

In a down year because of November pretty much Barnes



Pretty much Barnes despite having 1 month of having a FG% under 40% is still elite near the rim, and that's consistent with last year.

As Barnes gets further and further away from November, those percentages should also rise.

How do we know this is a “down year” for Barnes?

We only have one and a half season’s worth of NBA data on these young guys. We have to go off what we have. Scottie has been pretty putrid for most of this year. Yes he has flashes, but he is way too passive, doesn’t show promise as a full time PG because of bad handles and slow first step, and has no outside shot.

Franz is a way better scorer.

[SOUL]

What I noticed is Scottie Barnes driving seems hit or miss with his finishing but when he gets good paint position, he has this like.. baby push hook shot thing that is pretty damn effective because it catches people off guard.

[OrlMagic05]

[b]Except Franz at 21 isn't anything special. Maybe he can become special, but right now he doesn't have any impact on his teams scoring efficiency, which is why they're near dead last.[/b]


Mobley however is already special. That why his teams have always had top defenses.

Using your phrasing, Franz needs a guy like Mobley now, and Mobley needs a guy like you hope Franz can turn into in the future for that team to be top 10 on offense and defense, because Mobley can anchor a top 10 defense, he already is, and Franz is hopeful he can develop into a guy that can anchor a top 10 offense, but definitely has yet to prove capable of doing that.

You lose credibility when you say things like this. The Magic are 26th in team scoring efficiency only 3 spots behind Bucks. So by your logic Giannis isnt anything special because "he doesnt have any impact on his teams scoring efficiency"

Mobley has a HUGE advantage over most as he plays with the best backcourt in the NBA, whereas Franz really only has Paolo.

You keep arguing defense doesn't matter. Giannis's team is #3 in defense.

Is Giannis's offensive efficiency down this year? Absolutely. Giannis isn't in the MVP conversation right now because of it.

Of course, we know what Giannis is capable of, so you judging him based on a down couple of months is ridiculous.

And Evan Mobley isn't considered an all-NBA level defender because of his backcourt. Did you mean his offense? No one is arguing Mobley's elite offensively. Only that scoring isn't the only thing that matters.

Not sure how you got all this from what I said, but ok.

[AaronB]

I've never seen a team with the 5th worst record in the league so confident they got the best player in the draft two years in a row

The Magic have the #26 ranked offense and #25 defense

The Cavs had the #25 ranked defense the year before adding Mobley, with Allen playing most of the year

They had the #7 defense last year, #2 this year

I know offense is all the rage, but man, will defense ever get any credit, ever?

I think Mobley gets the credit he deserves, and most people are huge fans of his. He's one of those players that had a skill set that shines on solid teams, and because of that he's looked great playing for a Cavs team looking to make the jump.

I think the argument for Franz is that it's much more rare to find legit wings with size that can play like he does. 20-4-4 on 49/35/86 shooting on a 6'9 body at age 21 is legit. Watching Franz play and he's just as smooth on the offensive end as Evan is on the defensive end. He just makes things happen.

Mobley to be the best player he can be, needs a guy like Franz who can score and create offense. Franze to be the best player he can be needs a guy like Mobley to finish plays and hold down the defense.

It's really a matter of preference, but I think both teams and fanbases should be stoked they got the player they did.

Except Franz at 21 isn't anything special. Maybe he can become special, but right now he doesn't have any impact on his teams scoring efficiency, which is why they're near dead last.

Mobley however is already special. That why his teams have always had top defenses.

Using your phrasing, Franz needs a guy like Mobley now, and Mobley needs a guy like you hope Franz can turn into in the future for that team to be top 10 on offense and defense, because Mobley can anchor a top 10 defense, he already is, and Franz is hopeful he can develop into a guy that can anchor a top 10 offense, but definitely has yet to prove capable of doing that.

Complete nonsense.

Franz is already a much better player than Mobley and his top end will probably be a 50/40/90 guy. Only 2 non-guards have done that: Larry Bird (twice) and Dirk.

He is already special,

[ikedog34]

Hopefully I don't get flamed for this but Franz reminds a lot Chandler Parsons before the injuries. Good length, athleticism, and great feel for the game. Very mature player. I think he'll be on a lot of winning teams.

[tmorgan]

Full credit to Franz. He’s already a better pro than I thought he’d be at his peak, and he’ll surely get even better.

The Magic are very interesting. It’s very rare to have your two best playmakers be your forwards. Most talented forwards wouldn’t get this extended opportunity to run the show, and I think the Magic should really lean into this and work on acquiring the best 3&D guards they can find, finishing and playmaking optional. Let PB and Franz run an offense that’s different than most of the competition and see where it takes you.

[ChumboChappati]

right now this would be my order:
1) Franz
2) Mobley
3) Green
4) Giddey
5) Barnes

Cade because of injury is out

dont see any All-NBA pick

[Roger Murdock]

Franz is probably the only guy to significantly outperform expectations

Like if you do the cliched stock value vs draft day expectations for top prospects it’s probably something like this:

Way up: Franz

Up: Sengun, Mobley, Barnes, Giddy

Even: Moodey, Mitchell, Duarte

Down: Cunningham, Green, Kuminga,

Way down: Suggs, Primo, Bouknight