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mcfly1204 wrote:I saw a Harrison Barnes for LeVert trade floated out somewhere. Gives Sacramento another creator, provides us someone to fill the Markkanen role. It's a wash moneywise, and I think one could question whether either team intends to retain their respective player beyond this season.
mcfly1204 wrote:I saw a Harrison Barnes for LeVert trade floated out somewhere. Gives Sacramento another creator, provides us someone to fill the Markkanen role. It's a wash moneywise, and I think one could question whether either team intends to retain their respective player beyond this season.
ijspeelman wrote:mcfly1204 wrote:I saw a Harrison Barnes for LeVert trade floated out somewhere. Gives Sacramento another creator, provides us someone to fill the Markkanen role. It's a wash moneywise, and I think one could question whether either team intends to retain their respective player beyond this season.
While I would easily do a Barnes LeVert swap, I doubt the Kings benefit from LeVert over Barnes in many ways.
JonFromVA wrote:ijspeelman wrote:mcfly1204 wrote:I saw a Harrison Barnes for LeVert trade floated out somewhere. Gives Sacramento another creator, provides us someone to fill the Markkanen role. It's a wash moneywise, and I think one could question whether either team intends to retain their respective player beyond this season.
While I would easily do a Barnes LeVert swap, I doubt the Kings benefit from LeVert over Barnes in many ways.
Depends what their goal is, if they want to get Barnes out of the starting lineup so they can start moving forward with someone else?
Well, at least LeVert has already agreed to / is putting up with coming off the bench in his contract year.
ijspeelman wrote:JonFromVA wrote:ijspeelman wrote:
While I would easily do a Barnes LeVert swap, I doubt the Kings benefit from LeVert over Barnes in many ways.
Depends what their goal is, if they want to get Barnes out of the starting lineup so they can start moving forward with someone else?
Well, at least LeVert has already agreed to / is putting up with coming off the bench in his contract year.
The bench thing is fair, but is shake up for shake ups sake worth it on their end when both have contracts ending this season?
Barnes fills an important role on their current roster that I don't think is easily replaced with their current roster. You may slide Keagan Murray as a starter if you are the Kings, but its not really needed and imo would be a downgrade (in the short term).
JonFromVA wrote:ijspeelman wrote:JonFromVA wrote:
Depends what their goal is, if they want to get Barnes out of the starting lineup so they can start moving forward with someone else?
Well, at least LeVert has already agreed to / is putting up with coming off the bench in his contract year.
The bench thing is fair, but is shake up for shake ups sake worth it on their end when both have contracts ending this season?
Barnes fills an important role on their current roster that I don't think is easily replaced with their current roster. You may slide Keagan Murray as a starter if you are the Kings, but its not really needed and imo would be a downgrade (in the short term).
If Barnes isn't in their long-term plans and someone else on their bench is, I would have taken care of that the moment I realized it; but a lot of teams (include the Cavs) try to "respect" their vets and pump up their value so they might get something at the trade deadline.
And if the Kings have somehow convinced themselves they need LeVert's play-making and inefficient bulk scoring, who are we to argue?
JujitsuFlip wrote:Where do you guys stand on the THJ, Oubre, Bojan rumors? Want any of them? Want multiple of them? Is acquiring any of them realistic?
ijspeelman wrote:I'm seeing buzz for the first time from other teams wanting Caris... is now the time to ship him and if so, what is his value?
I still like his place on the Cavs, especially off the bench, but understandably if we can improve for the future, I'd rather do that.
JonFromVA wrote:ijspeelman wrote:I'm seeing buzz for the first time from other teams wanting Caris... is now the time to ship him and if so, what is his value?
I still like his place on the Cavs, especially off the bench, but understandably if we can improve for the future, I'd rather do that.
There may be an opportunity to trade him for someone under contract so we don't have to worry about his contract situation.
THJ appears to have a trade kicker and one more year on his contract than we'd likely want if the plan was to get a protected first round pick out of the deal and then eventually trade him as an expiring with the pick for something more useful.
So, I'd presume any talk of such a deal would be coming from the Dallas side.
On the other end of the spectrum, a Harrison Barnes swap might be helpful except he's expiring like LeVert.
In both cases, I'm also not fond of trading younger for older and more skilled for less skilled unless we're compensated for it.
Of course we're not sure what will happen when Ricky returns, or if Ricky will even still be playable. We've seen some situation where Caris has been useful or even promising, his D has been fine in our system, and we may just be cracking the surface on how we can integrate him in to the offense.
On the other hand, he's been injury prone throughout his career and he continues to take a lot of stupid shots.
IMO, it's one of those situations where Koby will likely hold out as long as he can to extract as much value as possible for Caris, and if he can't quite get it, he'll just hold on to him.
JonFromVA wrote:ijspeelman wrote:I'm seeing buzz for the first time from other teams wanting Caris... is now the time to ship him and if so, what is his value?
I still like his place on the Cavs, especially off the bench, but understandably if we can improve for the future, I'd rather do that.
There may be an opportunity to trade him for someone under contract so we don't have to worry about his contract situation.
THJ appears to have a trade kicker and one more year on his contract than we'd likely want if the plan was to get a protected first round pick out of the deal and then eventually trade him as an expiring with the pick for something more useful.
So, I'd presume any talk of such a deal would be coming from the Dallas side.
On the other end of the spectrum, a Harrison Barnes swap might be helpful except he's expiring like LeVert.
In both cases, I'm also not fond of trading younger for older and more skilled for less skilled unless we're compensated for it.
Of course we're not sure what will happen when Ricky returns, or if Ricky will even still be playable. We've seen some situation where Caris has been useful or even promising, his D has been fine in our system, and we may just be cracking the surface on how we can integrate him in to the offense.
On the other hand, he's been injury prone throughout his career and he continues to take a lot of stupid shots.
IMO, it's one of those situations where Koby will likely hold out as long as he can to extract as much value as possible for Caris, and if he can't quite get it, he'll just hold on to him.
jbk1234 wrote:JonFromVA wrote:ijspeelman wrote:I'm seeing buzz for the first time from other teams wanting Caris... is now the time to ship him and if so, what is his value?
I still like his place on the Cavs, especially off the bench, but understandably if we can improve for the future, I'd rather do that.
There may be an opportunity to trade him for someone under contract so we don't have to worry about his contract situation.
THJ appears to have a trade kicker and one more year on his contract than we'd likely want if the plan was to get a protected first round pick out of the deal and then eventually trade him as an expiring with the pick for something more useful.
So, I'd presume any talk of such a deal would be coming from the Dallas side.
On the other end of the spectrum, a Harrison Barnes swap might be helpful except he's expiring like LeVert.
In both cases, I'm also not fond of trading younger for older and more skilled for less skilled unless we're compensated for it.
Of course we're not sure what will happen when Ricky returns, or if Ricky will even still be playable. We've seen some situation where Caris has been useful or even promising, his D has been fine in our system, and we may just be cracking the surface on how we can integrate him in to the offense.
On the other hand, he's been injury prone throughout his career and he continues to take a lot of stupid shots.
IMO, it's one of those situations where Koby will likely hold out as long as he can to extract as much value as possible for Caris, and if he can't quite get it, he'll just hold on to him.
We could REALLY use a shooter like THJ. Without wading into how skilled LeVert actually is, the Cavs need for more shooters is palpable. If you have a need for a particular skill set, then the net impact on the team is worth considering.
Whether THJ will waive his kicker will provide a good indication as to how excited he'd be to get traded here. In terms of compensation, we could ask for swap rights in 2026/28 which would help mitigate the risk of the Mitchell trade and which the Mavs might find more palatable.
Having said all of that, they need to be close to 100% sure about where THJ is coming of that injury.
JonFromVA wrote:jbk1234 wrote:JonFromVA wrote:
There may be an opportunity to trade him for someone under contract so we don't have to worry about his contract situation.
THJ appears to have a trade kicker and one more year on his contract than we'd likely want if the plan was to get a protected first round pick out of the deal and then eventually trade him as an expiring with the pick for something more useful.
So, I'd presume any talk of such a deal would be coming from the Dallas side.
On the other end of the spectrum, a Harrison Barnes swap might be helpful except he's expiring like LeVert.
In both cases, I'm also not fond of trading younger for older and more skilled for less skilled unless we're compensated for it.
Of course we're not sure what will happen when Ricky returns, or if Ricky will even still be playable. We've seen some situation where Caris has been useful or even promising, his D has been fine in our system, and we may just be cracking the surface on how we can integrate him in to the offense.
On the other hand, he's been injury prone throughout his career and he continues to take a lot of stupid shots.
IMO, it's one of those situations where Koby will likely hold out as long as he can to extract as much value as possible for Caris, and if he can't quite get it, he'll just hold on to him.
We could REALLY use a shooter like THJ. Without wading into how skilled LeVert actually is, the Cavs need for more shooters is palpable. If you have a need for a particular skill set, then the net impact on the team is worth considering.
Whether THJ will waive his kicker will provide a good indication as to how excited he'd be to get traded here. In terms of compensation, we could ask for swap rights in 2026/28 which would help mitigate the risk of the Mitchell trade and which the Mavs might find more palatable.
Having said all of that, they need to be close to 100% sure about where THJ is coming of that injury.
Other than the fact he's going on 34, Bojan Bogdanovic fits the profile better. I wonder how well THJ will shoot when he's not playing with Luka and he lacks the kind of length/defensive ability we need.
If we actually believe Wade (and maybe even Windler) will return soon, it's possible Altman has other priorities than trying to find the best 3&d SF he can get his hands on for cheap.
JujitsuFlip wrote:JonFromVA wrote:jbk1234 wrote:
We could REALLY use a shooter like THJ. Without wading into how skilled LeVert actually is, the Cavs need for more shooters is palpable. If you have a need for a particular skill set, then the net impact on the team is worth considering.
Whether THJ will waive his kicker will provide a good indication as to how excited he'd be to get traded here. In terms of compensation, we could ask for swap rights in 2026/28 which would help mitigate the risk of the Mitchell trade and which the Mavs might find more palatable.
Having said all of that, they need to be close to 100% sure about where THJ is coming of that injury.
Other than the fact he's going on 34, Bojan Bogdanovic fits the profile better. I wonder how well THJ will shoot when he's not playing with Luka and he lacks the kind of length/defensive ability we need.
If we actually believe Wade (and maybe even Windler) will return soon, it's possible Altman has other priorities than trying to find the best 3&d SF he can get his hands on for cheap.
Such as?
I'd rank the Cavs needs as follows.ijspeelman wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:JonFromVA wrote:
Other than the fact he's going on 34, Bojan Bogdanovic fits the profile better. I wonder how well THJ will shoot when he's not playing with Luka and he lacks the kind of length/defensive ability we need.
If we actually believe Wade (and maybe even Windler) will return soon, it's possible Altman has other priorities than trying to find the best 3&d SF he can get his hands on for cheap.
Such as?
Possibly a back-up versatile big man? For this year alone, I bet Thad Young is up for grabs for extremely cheap. Giorgui Dieng might be worth looking at off the waiver (he’s on a Spurs ten day currently).
Idk what Koby wants to do, but he has other ways he can fix other parts of the roster if he’s not ready to make a move for a wing.
toooskies wrote:I'm not sure there's going to be a guy that a) is a good shooter, b) plays good D, c) is a salary match for LeVert, and d) is available for the assets the Cavs have to trade. Or rather, Dean Wade or Okoro or Stevens or Osman all have a chance of outplaying anyone whom we could obtain.
I don't see THJ as a clear cut above any of those guys, especially when he's shooting a lower percentage than LeVert.
Bojan? Too expensive. Hayward? Too much bad salary. Bey? Not close to a guy you can play in the playoffs. Oubre? Blah. Crowder? Lots of reasons to pass. McDermott? No D. Kennard? Too short.
My ideal trade would just be with Dallas for Bullock + Kleber. A stretch big that can hang in the playoffs on D would be huge. Bullock is just another generic wing but he's seen the playoffs and can step in if the moment is too big for the stable of young guys we have.
toooskies wrote:I'm not sure there's going to be a guy that a) is a good shooter, b) plays good D, c) is a salary match for LeVert, and d) is available for the assets the Cavs have to trade. Or rather, Dean Wade or Okoro or Stevens or Osman all have a chance of outplaying anyone whom we could obtain.
I don't see THJ as a clear cut above any of those guys, especially when he's shooting a lower percentage than LeVert.
Bojan? Too expensive. Hayward? Too much bad salary. Bey? Not close to a guy you can play in the playoffs. Oubre? Blah. Crowder? Lots of reasons to pass. McDermott? No D. Kennard? Too short.
My ideal trade would just be with Dallas for Bullock + Kleber. A stretch big that can hang in the playoffs on D would be huge. Bullock is just another generic wing but he's seen the playoffs and can step in if the moment is too big for the stable of young guys we have.
JonFromVA wrote:jbk1234 wrote:JonFromVA wrote:
There may be an opportunity to trade him for someone under contract so we don't have to worry about his contract situation.
THJ appears to have a trade kicker and one more year on his contract than we'd likely want if the plan was to get a protected first round pick out of the deal and then eventually trade him as an expiring with the pick for something more useful.
So, I'd presume any talk of such a deal would be coming from the Dallas side.
On the other end of the spectrum, a Harrison Barnes swap might be helpful except he's expiring like LeVert.
In both cases, I'm also not fond of trading younger for older and more skilled for less skilled unless we're compensated for it.
Of course we're not sure what will happen when Ricky returns, or if Ricky will even still be playable. We've seen some situation where Caris has been useful or even promising, his D has been fine in our system, and we may just be cracking the surface on how we can integrate him in to the offense.
On the other hand, he's been injury prone throughout his career and he continues to take a lot of stupid shots.
IMO, it's one of those situations where Koby will likely hold out as long as he can to extract as much value as possible for Caris, and if he can't quite get it, he'll just hold on to him.
We could REALLY use a shooter like THJ. Without wading into how skilled LeVert actually is, the Cavs need for more shooters is palpable. If you have a need for a particular skill set, then the net impact on the team is worth considering.
Whether THJ will waive his kicker will provide a good indication as to how excited he'd be to get traded here. In terms of compensation, we could ask for swap rights in 2026/28 which would help mitigate the risk of the Mitchell trade and which the Mavs might find more palatable.
Having said all of that, they need to be close to 100% sure about where THJ is coming of that injury.
Other than the fact he's going on 34, Bojan Bogdanovic fits the profile better. I wonder how well THJ will shoot when he's not playing with Luka and he lacks the kind of length/defensive ability we need.
If we actually believe Wade (and maybe even Windler) will return soon, it's possible Altman has other priorities than trying to find the best 3&d SF he can get his hands on for cheap.
