Grayson Allen: NBA's dirtiest player?

[jc23]

Oh wow, his foot moved a whole half a foot.

Dude would have been right at home with the Bad Boy Pistons with this sort of maliciousness. This is truly one of the worst things I've ever seen on an NBA floor.

Taking playing under a microscope to a whole new level. Wow.

C'mon now, you both know that was not a natural movement (unless you a honky tonk dancer) and his intention was to trip Rose because he got burnt. Nobody is saying he belongs on the bad boys Pistons, thats silly talk. Its fine to call it like it is, he isnt as dirty as some make him out to be but he knows exactly what he is doing, there obvious intent.

And there are plenty more examples btw.

Like when he flopped into Derozen a few weeks back, he added a bit more to the play by falling with forearm into derozens back; who then also flopped btw lol. So its usually these small cheap shots, hey thats a better decription of the guy, he is a cheap shot artist! not dirty. Exception being the Caruso incident where that was a dirty play due to the player being in the air.

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Bulls announcers were silly here as well. But Allen's history now walks ahead of him everytime he enters the UC.

There was a bit of weirdness there, but who knows why. Maybe he wanted to step in and changed his mind. Maybe he clipped his own foot. Judging intent is basically impossible. It's just a reflection of your own beliefs and biases.

once or twice sure, but when you have a history of "who me?" moments its starts to become pretty obvious. And lets be honest here, Grayson is not apart of your long term future and not a hill to die on imo.

[Rendei]

C'mon now, you both know that was not a natural movement (unless you a honky tonk dancer) and his intention was to trip Rose because he got burnt. Nobody is saying he belongs on the bad boys Pistons, thats silly talk. Its fine to call it like it is, he isnt as dirty as some make him out to be but he knows exactly what he is doing, there obvious intent.

And there are plenty more examples btw.

Like when he flopped into Derozen a few weeks back, he added a bit more to the play by falling with forearm into derozens back; who then also flopped btw lol. So its usually these small cheap shots, hey thats a better decription of the guy, he is a cheap shot artist! not dirty. Exception being the Caruso incident where that was a dirty play due to the player being in the air.

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Bulls announcers were silly here as well. But Allen's history now walks ahead of him everytime he enters the UC.

There was a bit of weirdness there, but who knows why. Maybe he wanted to step in and changed his mind. Maybe he clipped his own foot. Judging intent is basically impossible. It's just a reflection of your own beliefs and biases.

once or twice sure, but when you have a history of "who me?" moments its starts to become pretty obvious. And lets be honest here, Grayson is not apart of your long term future and not a hill to die on imo.

I don't mean to defend Grayson, particularly, but that clip (the original one) makes for some truly terrible evidence. If any other player did that, you'd never leap to the conclusion that he wanted to trip the guy. That's the definition of a bias.

[jc23]

There was a bit of weirdness there, but who knows why. Maybe he wanted to step in and changed his mind. Maybe he clipped his own foot. Judging intent is basically impossible. It's just a reflection of your own beliefs and biases.

once or twice sure, but when you have a history of "who me?" moments its starts to become pretty obvious. And lets be honest here, Grayson is not apart of your long term future and not a hill to die on imo.

I don't mean to defend Grayson, particularly, but that clip (the original one) makes for some truly terrible evidence. If any other player did that, you'd never leap to the conclusion that he wanted to trip the guy. That's the definition of a bias.

This thread was created due to a history of incidences; there are plenty of other youtube clips on the guy. The Rose scenario is a great example because it shows how he does things on the sly. I think some of the Allen criticism is overblown but its very obvious he knows exactly what he is doing.

[Exp0sed]

Go ahead and watch the play, his right foot is on the right side of the restricted area, his right foot lands back and to the left closer to the middle top of the restricted area. He leans the opposite way his body is moving and braces for a hit from Jrue that never comes because Jrue ducks it. This stuff is plain as day, and I'm the one that's biased? Nope.

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Wait how is that play seeking contact?? Simple up & down.

A) What do you think he's trying to accomplish jumping backwards? He ain't protecting the ball by bringing the ball closer to the defender I'll tell you that. His momentum was carrying him to the right, but he jumps left?
B) The rest of his body language SCREAMS bracing for contact. He leans back off balance, he winces, hell, his mouth even opens to audibly accentuate the contact with a yell before he is even touched. This is creating contact and drawing a foul 101 here. There isn't another reasonable conclusion.
C) Again, not a simple up and down, as I've already laid out. His feet start where they start and land where they land.

My guy, let me help you there since your'e obviously homerish
i'm an unbiased fan

that Kyrie play isn't a "Zaza", because a Zaza reuqires the defensive player to be in defending position and then intentionally slide one or both feet towards the shooter's natural landing area

that's dirty and intentional

what Giannis is doing in this play is different tho
Kyrie isn't seeking conttact there or flopping or anything, he is just going up for his shot
that's as plain as day

Giannis is out of position and he recovers and hustles back, but he does it with too much speed and velocity he ends up completely inside Kyrie's natural landing area. He does it very fast too, so Kyrie who is obviously fixed on the basket - doesn't even it see coming

that's a clear foul and imo you could def call that a reckless play. Giannis is out of control there
i'm sure he didn't mean or intend to end up that close but he just pulled the brakes a millisecond too late, and ended up way too close

it's not dirty tho
reckless - yes, dirty - no

Grayson allen is Dirty, that's a whole 'nother category
and he's a scrub so that makes it 10x worse than when a star makes a dirty plays

why? because dirty plays can get u ejected and suspended. there is some sort of system of checks and balances in place where as for a scrub, it might even be a very worthwhile strategy if u get urself ejected but get an opponent star player to retaliate and be ejected themselves

[Pachinko_]

A & C) Kyrie did not jump left. He jumped straight up for the easiest shot since he's pretty open. Looking at his right foot is misleading since its outstretched to the right. He merely gathered and jump up.

By definition he jumped to the left.
I mean the video is right there, look at where are his feet are when he takes off and where they are when he lands.
When he lands his right foot ended up exactly where his left foot was when he took off.
Only way you can achieve that is if you jump to the left, no?

[skones]

A & C) Kyrie did not jump left. He jumped straight up for the easiest shot since he's pretty open. Looking at his right foot is misleading since its outstretched to the right. He merely gathered and jump up.

B) no comments.

I mean, you're clearly wrong. It's irrefutable. If your right foot ends multiple feet from where it begins, you are not going straight up. Looking at his right foot isn't "misleading" at all. It's literal proof.

You want to know what happens when you gather and jump straight up? You land in the same place you started. Kyrie didn't.

Simply waiving a pretty plain fact like that away and calling it "misleading" is nothing but denial.

[carlquincy]

I mean, you're clearly wrong. It's irrefutable. If your right foot ends multiple feet from where it begins, you are not going straight up. Looking at his right foot isn't misleading at all.

You want to know what happens when you gather and jump straight up? You land in the same place you started. Kyrie didn't.

Simply waiving a pretty plain fact like that away and calling it "misleading" is nothing but denial.

By definition he jumped to the left.
I mean the video is right there, look at where are his feet are when he takes off and where they are when he lands.
When he lands his right foot ended up exactly where his left foot was when he took off.
Only way you can achieve that is if you jump to the left, no?

My last reply to this topic.

His CG/body is pretty much a straight line throughout the jumping motion. 33s into the video.

[Pachinko_]

I mean, you're clearly wrong. It's irrefutable. If your right foot ends multiple feet from where it begins, you are not going straight up. Looking at his right foot isn't misleading at all.

You want to know what happens when you gather and jump straight up? You land in the same place you started. Kyrie didn't.

Simply waiving a pretty plain fact like that away and calling it "misleading" is nothing but denial.

By definition he jumped to the left.
I mean the video is right there, look at where are his feet are when he takes off and where they are when he lands.
When he lands his right foot ended up exactly where his left foot was when he took off.
Only way you can achieve that is if you jump to the left, no?

My last reply to this topic.

His CG/body is pretty much a straight line throughout the jumping motion. 33s into the video.

Well first of all his body is irrelevant, it's the feet that you guys are complaining about, and the feet start in one place and end up in another.

And secondly it looks straight-ish but it isn't, I mean I'm not a scientist or anything but it can't possibly be straight if your right foot ends up where your left foot was.

[Kurtz]

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Doesn’t even make a basketball play….

He jumps and is out of range of getting anywhere near the ball, so he swipes at his eyes.

This is the kind of player he is though…. Maybe karma will catch-up with him (hopefully)

[Gatorade Sax]

Lol this guys brain is just wired differently..who decides they’re just going to bop this player in the head last minute for absolutely no reason. Still makes the bucket. Completely pointless.

Has arguably the most punchable head in the league too, so he’s really tempting fate heavily.

Edit..apologies, just saw the poster above me has basically written the same reply.

[JimmyPlopper]

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Doesn’t even make a basketball play….

He jumps and is out of range of getting anywhere near the ball, so he swipes at his eyes.

This is the kind of player he is though…. Maybe karma will catch-up with him (hopefully)

Karma usually operates through me as a vessel. Please provide me with his address and I will allow the karma to flow through my fingertips

[Exp0sed]

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lmfao
but but but it's only his reputation from Duke, he has never made a dirty play in the NBA!