The Decision on Fultz?

GameOver25 · Post #1 » by **GameOver25** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 2:24 pm

Seems to be a hot topic. What move will the Magic front office make on Fultz either this year or next?

Obviously if we acquire better talent at the PG position that will probably trump everything above.

basketballRob · Post #2 » by **basketballRob** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 2:33 pm

Fultz had 0 to do with the loss last night.

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Viper1500 · Post #3 » by **Viper1500** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 2:38 pm

I don’t see any scenario where our starting backcourt is Fultz and Suggs. I also believe that they are more valuable on our team than to trade, unless it’s part of a bigger deal.

Meaning, this teams top priority say should be to find a SG. Luckily the SG who they would be looking to sign, draft or trade for would require the same skill set to offset the cons of both Fultz & Suggs.

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Husky1 · Post #4 » by **Husky1** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 2:41 pm

Let it play out. He is easily our best guard atm. Give him one more offseason to work on his conditioning and shot. Hopefully in time our upcoming draft pick or Suggs show enough to surpass him.

basketballRob · Post #5 » by **basketballRob** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 2:48 pm

Markelle by far has the most length out of our guards and that's why he gets more deflections. He isn't the problem, it's all the other short-armed guards.

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Bergmaniac · Post #6 » by **Bergmaniac** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 2:49 pm

basketballRob wrote:Markelle by far has the most length out of our guards and that's why he gets more deflections. He isn't the problem, it's all the other short-armed guards.

Your obsession with lenght is letting bizarre lately.

Anyway, I'd definitely look for possible deals for him before the trade deadline, but I doubt there would be much interest if any given his salary.

basketballRob · Post #7 » by **basketballRob** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 2:55 pm

Bergmaniac wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Markelle by far has the most length out of our guards and that's why he gets more deflections. He isn't the problem, it's all the other short-armed guards.

Your obsession with lenght is letting bizarre lately.

Anyway, I'd definitely look for possible deals for him before the trade deadline, but I doubt there would be much interest if any given his salary.

It's pretty obvious that he's our best guard.

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VFX · Post #8 » by **VFX** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 2:57 pm

Looking at this upcoming draft makes my decision easy.

OrlMagic05 · Post #9 » by **OrlMagic05** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 3:01 pm

Bergmaniac wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Markelle by far has the most length out of our guards and that's why he gets more deflections. He isn't the problem, it's all the other short-armed guards.

Your obsession with lenght is letting bizarre lately.

Anyway, I'd definitely look for possible deals for him before the trade deadline, but I doubt there would be much interest if any given his salary.

Fultz is our best guard, so not sure why you would want to trade him. Having a PG that has a 6'9 wingspan is a huge advantage.

basketballRob · Post #10 » by **basketballRob** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 3:04 pm

OrlMagic05 wrote:
Bergmaniac wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Markelle by far has the most length out of our guards and that's why he gets more deflections. He isn't the problem, it's all the other short-armed guards.

Your obsession with lenght is letting bizarre lately.

Anyway, I'd definitely look for possible deals for him before the trade deadline, but I doubt there would be much interest if any given his salary.

Fultz is our best guard, so not sure why you would want to trade him. Having a PG that has a 6'9 wingspan is a huge advantage.

He actually has a 6'10" wingspan. Harris, Suggs, Ross, and Cole are all 6'8 and below.

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basketballRob · Post #11 » by **basketballRob** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 3:10 pm

The thread should be decision on Cole and Harris.

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j_n · Post #12 » by **j_n** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 3:14 pm

He's a good player with plenty of upside and some of the most unusual strengths in his game so right now I would keep him, he can be perfect in a sixth man role running the offence when we're sitting Paolo and Franz.

As a starter, since most possessions go through Paolo and Franz, Fultz plays as a spot up shooter for many possessions which not only hurt our spacing for the young guys but it also takes Fultz away from the ball for long stretches.

Ideally I think we should bring him off the bench and let him be the main ball handler when we need him the most, you start Suggs and bring Fultz and Cole off the bench together so that Fultz is the main playmaker and Cole plays off the ball.

JoshuaPotter · Post #13 » by **JoshuaPotter** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 3:16 pm

MagicMatic wrote:Looking at this upcoming draft makes my decision easy.

It really is that simple.

Yet good grief, saying we need better "G" play all around and PG would be a good place to start just seems to make people here lose their minds.

We are the 5th worst team...our "F" position looks set for the next decade. Where is the next logical places?

:banghead:

JoshuaPotter · Post #14 » by **JoshuaPotter** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 3:19 pm

I say keep him and wait and see what the draft looks like. If a trade partner comes along shopping lets see.

Anyone who thinks that we can be the 5th worst team and not trade future picks, or one of our coveted forwards doesn't have a mindset based in reality.

I say keep our picks, and enjoy the guard heavy draft because its our most glaring weakness.

j_n · Post #15 » by **j_n** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 3:25 pm

JoshuaPotter wrote:I say keep him and wait and see what the draft looks like. If a trade partner comes along shopping lets see.

Anyone who thinks that we can be the 5th worst team and not trade future picks, or one of our coveted forwards doesn't have a mindset based in reality.

I say keep our picks, and enjoy the guard heavy draft because its our most glaring weakness.

We might have the 5th worst record but we're not the 5th worst team, we could have been close to 0.500 or even over if it wasn't for our first 25 games (5-20) weren't so riddled with injuries.

Post #16 » by **eyriq** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 3:36 pm

I think the most probable outcome is he's our starter for the next 6 seasons. But honestly starting PG is one of the more insecure positions on our team. We've got Suggs, draft picks, trade assets, and free agency to upgrade the position.

But as I've made clear I really like his game. That three point shot is a huge weakness. His defense looks elite and I think he'll get better there, not out of the question that he makes an All-Defensive team on his current trajectory. That upside alone is worth investment. His playmaking is outstanding. He can score but isn't a scoring threat, more a tempo scorer. This is actually fine given we have Franz and Paolo that need the ball.

We need to see more improvement in his advanced metrics to really gauge if he's turning a corner. I think he is but the jury is still out.

AaronB · Post #17 » by **AaronB** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 3:40 pm

As soon as the Magic replace Fultz with someone else, this board will be complaining about that PG.

Winning teams need stars, they also need great complementary players.

That is what Fultz is, an excellent complementary player who provides toughness and leadership.

If he can stay on the court, he is a perfect piece to a playoff team.

Post #18 » by **eyriq** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 3:42 pm

AaronB wrote:As soon as the Magic replace Fultz with someone else, this board will be complaining about that PG.

Winning teams need stars, they also need great complementary players.

That is what Fultz is, an excellent complementary player who provides toughness and leadership.

If he can stay on the court, he is a perfect piece to a playoff team.

Totally agree.

JoshuaPotter · Post #19 » by **JoshuaPotter** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 3:54 pm

j_n wrote:
JoshuaPotter wrote:I say keep him and wait and see what the draft looks like. If a trade partner comes along shopping lets see.

Anyone who thinks that we can be the 5th worst team and not trade future picks, or one of our coveted forwards doesn't have a mindset based in reality.

I say keep our picks, and enjoy the guard heavy draft because its our most glaring weakness.

We might have the 5th worst record but we're not the 5th worst team, we could have been close to 0.500 or even over if it wasn't for our first 25 games (5-20) weren't so riddled with injuries.

I hear you. Our injury report did change our rosters depth chart which included a brief stint without our NO 1 pick and zero point guards. I do not see where our current roster depth chart gives another team what they desperately need that doesn't include our assets which are *checks notes*.....

Draft picks. Paulo or Franz, Bol bol, Suggs, Carter....

JoshuaPotter · Post #20 » by **JoshuaPotter** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 3:58 pm

eyriq wrote:I think the most probable outcome is he's our starter for the next 6 seasons. But honestly starting PG is one of the more insecure positions on our team. We've got Suggs, draft picks, trade assets, and free agency to upgrade the position.

But as I've made clear I really like his game. That three point shot is a huge weakness. His defense looks elite and I think he'll get better there, not out of the question that he makes an All-Defensive team on his current trajectory. That upside alone is worth investment. His playmaking is outstanding. He can score but isn't a scoring threat, more a tempo scorer. This is actually fine given we have Franz and Paolo that need the ball.

We need to see more improvement in his advanced metrics to really gauge if he's turning a corner. I think he is but the jury is still out.

While I hear you, I don't hear teams banging down our door asking if Fultz is available.

Waiting and seeing on the metrics is my best hope for this argument. Otherwise you are correct, I do not necessarily want another high usage guard to pair with two high usage Forwards. The ball does need to be shared after all. Thats actually one of the problems I have with Mr Cole, if the ball isn't in his hands he becomes far less effective and looks great when the shot falls but horrible when it doesn't.

What move will the Magic front office make on Fultz? Either this year or next.