Grant Williams Thread

Post #701 » by **shackles10** » Tue Dec 27, 2022 3:23 pm

Grant is currently a bench player and a big part of his value is you don’t have to match 87 year old starter Al Horford to the number of minutes prime Giannis will play and lose much in the defensive matchup. You also don’t have to worry as much for a giant drop off defensively in the matchup if the starting player gets into foul trouble. Whether Grant would be a plus starter is another debate, but regardless of your opinion in that it doesn’t change his role now and that he excels in it as about the best you can expect out of a “Giannis stopper”. For the record I think we shouldn’t be just looking at shooting percentage when he’s guarded Giannis, but Giannis not even taking a shot considering the other offensive options they have (especially when Jrue sits and Middleton is out) is a success. It’s not all Grant, and it’s not all team-defense either.

I just wish he’d stop pumpfaking so much. Often times he should just shoot it. Maybe I’m just noticing the pump fakes more, but I feel like he doesn’t swing the ball as much as he did in the past and instead of a pump fake leading to a drive he should just move the ball to the next man and forget the whole sequence if he’s not open enough for a shot. I’m not saying every time, because there is value in his drives and it’s been a nice addition to his game, but sometimes those pump fakes drive me crazy.

BK_2020 · Post #702 » by **BK_2020** » Tue Dec 27, 2022 4:13 pm

shackles10 wrote:For the record I think we shouldn’t be just looking at shooting percentage when he’s guarded Giannis, but Giannis not even taking a shot considering the other offensive options they have (especially when Jrue sits and Middleton is out) is a success. It’s not all Grant, and it’s not all team-defense either.

So the breakdown I provide includes all Grant-Giannis matchups, whether Giannis took a shot or not.* My takeaway is that Grant did a pretty good job. Two jumpers made, one jumper missed, one layup missed, two fouls. The missed layup was something Giannis can and does make, but Grant moved his feet well to stay in front and did not foul. Giannis passed out a couple of times but each time he was being quad or pentuple teamed.
My point was never to put down Grant's defense that was actually played. Just trying to put it all into perspective. Grant was not the primary defender on Giannis, the actual results were pretty good for Giannis, and Giannis did worse when Grant was not guarding him.

*There was one that was kind of borderline that I didn't include where Giannis tried to get inside position on Grant during a second-chance possession, but no one seemed to be looking that way.

cheezone · Post #703 » by **cheezone** » Tue Dec 27, 2022 4:24 pm

Not sure how bird rights work but if we traded for Kuzma and we’re able to get bird rights to resign him next season I would try and get him.

I would try and trade Grant n Gallo and our best 2nd rd pick in this upcoming draft (I believe it’s possibly low 30’s)for Kuzma again only if we get his bird rights because otherwise I would keep Grant since we can go over the cap to keep him.

I like Grant but think he is definitely upgradable his antics with the refs for fouls and constant finger waving for replays is starting to get annoying, although he is a solid role player

JaMarco · Post #704 » by **JaMarco** » Tue Dec 27, 2022 4:43 pm

cheezone wrote:Not sure how bird rights work but if we traded for Kuzma and we’re able to get bird rights to resign him next season I would try and get him.

I would try and trade Grant n Gallo and our best 2nd rd pick in this upcoming draft (I believe it’s possibly low 30’s)for Kuzma again only if we get his bird rights because otherwise I would keep Grant since we can go over the cap to keep him.

I like Grant but think he is definitely upgradable his antics with the refs for fouls and constant finger waving for replays is starting to get annoying, although he is a solid role player

Why would the Wizards do that trade?

cheezone · Post #705 » by **cheezone** » Tue Dec 27, 2022 4:52 pm

JaMarco wrote:
cheezone wrote:Not sure how bird rights work but if we traded for Kuzma and we’re able to get bird rights to resign him next season I would try and get him.

I would try and trade Grant n Gallo and our best 2nd rd pick in this upcoming draft (I believe it’s possibly low 30’s)for Kuzma again only if we get his bird rights because otherwise I would keep Grant since we can go over the cap to keep him.

I like Grant but think he is definitely upgradable his antics with the refs for fouls and constant finger waving for replays is starting to get annoying, although he is a solid role player

Why would the Wizards do that trade?

Not saying they would but In a recent article Kuzma has said he is going to decline his player option for next season so he could essentially be a rental for this season if we didn’t get bird rights.

The wizards then get a 2nd that’s almost like 1st and Gallo for a season. Then they can overpay for Grant if they chose.

Or we can switch the 2nd for a future 1st if we get bird rights and can go over the cap to keep him

JaMarco · Post #706 » by **JaMarco** » Tue Dec 27, 2022 6:50 pm

cheezone wrote:
JaMarco wrote:
cheezone wrote:Not sure how bird rights work but if we traded for Kuzma and we’re able to get bird rights to resign him next season I would try and get him.

I would try and trade Grant n Gallo and our best 2nd rd pick in this upcoming draft (I believe it’s possibly low 30’s)for Kuzma again only if we get his bird rights because otherwise I would keep Grant since we can go over the cap to keep him.

I like Grant but think he is definitely upgradable his antics with the refs for fouls and constant finger waving for replays is starting to get annoying, although he is a solid role player

Why would the Wizards do that trade?

Not saying they would but In a recent article Kuzma has said he is going to decline his player option for next season so he could essentially be a rental for this season if we didn’t get bird rights.

The wizards then get a 2nd that’s almost like 1st and Gallo for a season. Then they can overpay for Grant if they chose.

Or we can switch the 2nd for a future 1st if we get bird rights and can go over the cap to keep him

From what I've seen he doesn't have the strength to guard Giannis so he doesn't replace what Grant provides in that critical area. And he's a mediocre shooter which doesn't really fit the Cs offense. Not interested in making that swap.

Fencer reregistered · Post #707 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Sat Dec 31, 2022 12:01 am

We have a late contender for typo of the year: Grant has worked to get better at "screaming actions".

https://www.celticsblog.com/2022/12/30/23518416/grant-williams-is-playing-himself-into-a-big-payday-boston-celtics-jayson-tatum-brad-stevens

Well, actually, it seems to date back to the offseason, and recently just was uncritically copied:

https://heavy.com/sports/boston-celtics/grant-williams-interview-simone-nba-show/

return2glory · Post #708 » by **return2glory** » Sun Jan 1, 2023 1:27 am

Grant isn't guarding Giannis and Giannis is going for back to back 40/20 games. Lol. First time since 1982, since the great Moses Malone.

Bostondave · Post #709 » by **Bostondave** » Sun Jan 1, 2023 10:30 pm

This guys has done nothing to up his game from what it was last year and that's always a bad sign. I just dont' see it with this guy. And I really liked where he was last year and thought he had a tremendous stepping off point to improve. But I just don't see it and that's a shame.

Oh perhaps I forgot perhaps he runs his **** mouth more, but that's about it.

BK_2020 · Post #710 » by **BK_2020** » Mon Jan 2, 2023 1:43 pm

Another game where he's good on offense but absolutely demolished on defense. I don't know how long we can go on pretending Grant Williams is not only good but so good that he's the best in the league in playing Jokic or Giannis or whatever.

Bostondave · Post #711 » by **Bostondave** » Tue Jan 3, 2023 2:42 am

I might have been too hard and too hasty on G. Williams and his progress from last year. I saw him do some things v. Nuggets that were.....different at least. So he has the ability to expand. So I'll reserve judgement on him for now.

zoyathedestroya · Post #712 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Sun Jan 8, 2023 11:50 am

Read on Twitter

Low usage, high efficiency. Doesn’t complain about his touches and role. I still wish they set him up more as a scorer — just run a couple of plays either as a spotup shooter or post up against smalls.

zoyathedestroya · Post #713 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Mon Jan 9, 2023 3:12 am

Read on Twitter

I see you, Grant!

Post #714 » by **djFan71** » Mon Jan 9, 2023 8:07 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:

Read on Twitter

I see you, Grant!

Q: These headshot plots are too easy to read, what can we do about it?
A: I got it. We'll add unnecessary circles around the heads and shrink the size of lesser data points to muck things up a bit.

Spoiler:

Andrew McCeltic · Post #715 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 4:37 pm

Yeah I don't see you, Grant. Like Where's Waldo

BK_2020 · Post #716 » by **BK_2020** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 4:38 pm

This headshots plotting fad cannot die soon enough.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #717 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 4:42 pm

At least use some kind of color gradient or other shapes to indicate FGA, like, 3-5 per game is a square, 5-10 is a circle, 10+ is a diamond..

Andrew McCeltic · Post #718 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 4:44 pm

Anyway super-happy for Grant, I've been living island life about his offensive upside. Actually flashing a little more potential than I expected. He's somehow gotten agile enough and strong enough to attack close-outs, finish in the paint, and post up smaller defenders. Hooks, floaters, dunks.. If he keeps it up he's got to be at least a 16 million a year guy..

JaMarco · Post #719 » by **JaMarco** » Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:18 pm

Andrew McCeltic wrote:Anyway super-happy for Grant, I've been living island life about his offensive upside. Actually flashing a little more potential than I expected. He's somehow gotten agile enough and strong enough to attack close-outs, finish in the paint, and post up smaller defenders. Hooks, floaters, dunks.. If he keeps it up he's got to be at least a 16 million a year guy..

He's probably going to get a lot more than that.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #720 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:11 pm

JaMarco wrote:
Andrew McCeltic wrote:Anyway super-happy for Grant, I've been living island life about his offensive upside. Actually flashing a little more potential than I expected. He's somehow gotten agile enough and strong enough to attack close-outs, finish in the paint, and post up smaller defenders. Hooks, floaters, dunks.. If he keeps it up he's got to be at least a 16 million a year guy..

He's probably going to get a lot more than that.

If he’s leveled up and scores this well for the rest of the year I can see 17-18. Anything beyond that is an upside bet or a high bid from a cap space team.. I don’t think Presti wants to give him 20 million..