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2022-2023 Regular Season Game 41: Orlando Magic (15-25) at Sacramento Kings (20-18) - 10pm

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Re: 2022-2023 Regular Season Game 41: Orlando Magic (15-25) at Sacramento Kings (20-18) - 10pm 

Post#461 » by SOUL » Wed Jan 11, 2023 1:42 am

Last Guardian wrote:Not so sure about that. We need both but our defense actually ranks lower than offense.


I'm sorta cheating by counting on JI to come back - despite knowing there will be rust and injury concerns, etc, Suggs playing more in the future, there are pieces here with defensive upside. I'd still like another big that is intimidating outside of Isaac and WCJ in selective matchups.

But you simply can't win in the league without shooting now. But for a true contender or championship team, 90% of the time your team needs to be top 10 in OFF/DEF ratings so we definitely need both.
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Re: 2022-2023 Regular Season Game 41: Orlando Magic (15-25) at Sacramento Kings (20-18) - 10pm 

Post#462 » by Optimus_Steel » Wed Jan 11, 2023 1:52 am

I'm seeing some comments about Paolo not being able to play PF....the kid is a big boy and strong....
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Re: 2022-2023 Regular Season Game 41: Orlando Magic (15-25) at Sacramento Kings (20-18) - 10pm 

Post#463 » by Last Guardian » Wed Jan 11, 2023 1:56 am

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Last Guardian wrote:Not so sure about that. We need both but our defense actually ranks lower than offense.


I'm sorta cheating by counting on JI to come back - despite knowing there will be rust and injury concerns, etc, Suggs playing more in the future, there are pieces here with defensive upside. I'd still like another big that is intimidating outside of Isaac and WCJ in selective matchups.

But you simply can't win in the league without shooting now. But for a true contender or championship team, 90% of the time your team needs to be top 10 in OFF/DEF ratings so we definitely need both.


Currently Boston, Cleveland, Knicks, Pelicans and Nets fit that criteria.

The top 10 list in def rating is basically a list of the best teams in the league. Half the teams in the top 10 in offensive rating are not contenders at all.

Definitely think defense is still far more important. The only team top 10 in defensive rating that isn’t that great is Miami, but they are still slightly over .500.
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Re: 2022-2023 Regular Season Game 41: Orlando Magic (15-25) at Sacramento Kings (20-18) - 10pm 

Post#464 » by pepe1991 » Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:17 am

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I continue to see statements like this and don't get it to be honest. Not pointing at you j_n in particular, but I think it's just a copout response in general. Teams will have hot shooting games and we always then want to look at the numbers afterwards, and just be like "oh well it happens". We need to start finding ways with roster construction to combat "those hot shooting nights" because there's no magic wand to determine when that occurs, and stop with the oh well it's just one of those nights excuses.

Call it what you want, long NBA season will have plenty of annomalies, always have, the better team doesn't always win and with more threes shot by both teams nowadays there is a a lot more variance leading to more upsets and more blowouts.

A lot of those threes by the Kings were contested and taken by poor shooters, even uncontested threes are less than a 50% shot by most shooters yet the Kings shot 50% on 46 attempts made by many below average outside shooters.

If we had an average night we lose a game like that by 10-15, on our best night we might make it competitive, we had a bad game so we got blown out.


1 LA Clippers 34.2%
2 Philadelphia 34.2%
3 New York 34.2%
4 New Orleans 34.3%
5 Milwaukee 34.4%
6 Atlanta 34.5%
7 Orlando 34.6%

We are the 7th best team in the NBA when it comes to 3PT% defense. Our arguments are simply anecdotal because of recency bias or annoyance, but we're also trying to find solutions to something we're already solid at.

A better argument can be, "How can we slow a team down when they're shooting hot?" - we tried zone tonight and it didn't work. But we did see zone dismantle the Rockets, so seems like certain teams, most likely younger ones who are less competent shooters can struggle from it.


But there are some advanced stats that show that teams tend to miss wide open shots against Magic at bigger rate than they normally do.
It's like that one year where Raptors didn't guard corner 3s and teams kept missing. Than very next year ( this year) they are getting grilled for doing same thing. This time around teams just happend to shoot better on same looks.
Basketball defense and opponents shooting is weird sometimes. I'll never forget game where Houston was about to eliminate mighty Warriors in playoffs in WCF and out of nowhere they missed 27 threes in a row. :crazy:
Basically, their margin for error to win title that year collapsed on worst shooting slump in NBA history over single game. Just mindblowing scenario.
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