ImageImageImage

Welcome to Boston, MALCOLM BROGDON – (6MOY - 2023)

Moderators: bisme37, Darthlukey, canman1971, Shak_Celts, Parliament10, shackles10, snowman, Froob

User avatar
greenroom31
General Manager
Posts: 7,936
And1: 11,423
Joined: Nov 06, 2004

Re: Welcome to Boston, MALCOLM BROGDON 

Post#221 » by greenroom31 » Tue Nov 29, 2022 3:38 am

Love Brogdon on the court and in the locker room:

Read on Twitter
User avatar
zoyathedestroya
RealGM
Posts: 41,125
And1: 98,277
Joined: Nov 05, 2017

Re: Welcome to Boston, MALCOLM BROGDON 

Post#222 » by zoyathedestroya » Tue Nov 29, 2022 1:14 pm

With JB out, we needed another scorer who could attack the basket and stroke it from three without disrupting our offensive rhythm. Brogs put up 20-5-6 like it was nothing. Another great trade by POBO Brad. Please please stay healthy.

Hal14
RealGM
Posts: 22,436
And1: 21,351
Joined: Apr 05, 2019

Re: Welcome to Boston, MALCOLM BROGDON 

Post#223 » by Hal14 » Tue Nov 29, 2022 2:25 pm

the first game he came back from injury was a little shaky, but since then he has been VERY good. Solid D, playing with good pace, moving the ball, knocking down shots, getting to the rim and making really good decisions with the ball in terms of when to drive/pass/shoot.

Keep it up, Malcolm!
Nothing wrong with having a different opinion - as long as it's done respectfully. It'd be lame if we all agreed on everything :)
User avatar
ballup
Assistant Coach
Posts: 3,965
And1: 3,527
Joined: Dec 08, 2013
 

Re: Welcome to Boston, MALCOLM BROGDON 

Post#224 » by ballup » Tue Nov 29, 2022 11:21 pm

Quarter season review:

Brogdon has been incredible as a decision maker and slasher. He is as advertised on both pros/cons. He has missed 4 games and we should expect him to miss more. One gripe about Brogdon's on court play is the heat checks. It's difficult to not start feeling yourself, especially for a starting level player. It's a small price to pay for the tremendous effective plays he provides during the rest of his time on the court
User avatar
AKFO
Assistant Coach
Posts: 4,308
And1: 1,736
Joined: May 24, 2012
   

Re: Welcome to Boston, MALCOLM BROGDON 

Post#225 » by AKFO » Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:11 am

ballup wrote:Quarter season review:

Brogdon has been incredible as a decision maker and slasher. He is as advertised on both pros/cons. He has missed 4 games and we should expect him to miss more. One gripe about Brogdon's on court play is the heat checks. It's difficult to not start feeling yourself, especially for a starting level player. It's a small price to pay for the tremendous effective plays he provides during the rest of his time on the court

I agree with this. I think we unfortunately may have to deal with the regular season heat-checks, given he's a guy used to being a 1-2nd option who's now playing 20-24 minutes off the bench. But he's still a very mature guy, and much like Jaylen, I think he'll do his best to do everything in a team-first context once the playoffs come.
Image
User avatar
La Flame
Bench Warmer
Posts: 1,461
And1: 2,175
Joined: Jun 21, 2017
 

Re: Welcome to Boston, MALCOLM BROGDON 

Post#226 » by La Flame » Thu Dec 1, 2022 6:24 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:With JB out, we needed another scorer who could attack the basket and stroke it from three without disrupting our offensive rhythm. Brogs put up 20-5-6 like it was nothing. Another great trade by POBO Brad. Please please stay healthy.



Dude is a machine he gets to his spots so effortlessly. Every time I watch him dribble it reminds me of Kawhi lite, very quick snappy moves and hesis with no wasted motion. Next time you watch him, look for how quick he does the between the leg dribble, you can barely even notice it
User avatar
31to6
RealGM
Posts: 20,717
And1: 31,276
Joined: Nov 20, 2004
Location: Tatum train

Re: Welcome to Boston, MALCOLM BROGDON 

Post#227 » by 31to6 » Thu Dec 1, 2022 7:32 pm

La Flame wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:With JB out, we needed another scorer who could attack the basket and stroke it from three without disrupting our offensive rhythm. Brogs put up 20-5-6 like it was nothing. Another great trade by POBO Brad. Please please stay healthy.



Dude is a machine he gets to his spots so effortlessly. Every time I watch him dribble it reminds me of Kawhi lite, very quick snappy moves and hesis with no wasted motion. Next time you watch him, look for how quick he does the between the leg dribble, you can barely even notice it


there's so many drives that he starts from a standstill, and I don't think he has any advantage, and then he's finishing a layup or making a nice pass against a collapsed defense.

which is exactly what I remember being annoying when we were fans of the team on the other side! (cheering for the Cs against him)
Paul Pierce appreciation society.
User avatar
zoyathedestroya
RealGM
Posts: 41,125
And1: 98,277
Joined: Nov 05, 2017

Re: Welcome to Boston, MALCOLM BROGDON 

Post#228 » by zoyathedestroya » Wed Dec 7, 2022 1:21 pm

Something surprising as I was looking at some of our shooting numbers...

Brogdon is only shooting 50% from within 3 feet of the rim. That's by far a career low and well below his 59.2% career average. Last season in Indy he was at 63.2%.

I thought he'd have more room to operate but maybe playing with bench groups more is not doing him any favors esp if it's not alongside Tatum. It gets stagnant sometimes with the second unit with him leading. Or maybe he just needs more time to adjust.

His three-ball (esp from the left wing) has been pure though.
User avatar
Larry_Russell
RealGM
Posts: 11,841
And1: 6,138
Joined: Jun 23, 2021

Re: Welcome to Boston, MALCOLM BROGDON 

Post#229 » by Larry_Russell » Wed Dec 7, 2022 2:00 pm

There are times I watch Brogdon and he seems exactly what Dennis Johnson would be if he played in this era.

Perhaps that is just me...
User avatar
zoyathedestroya
RealGM
Posts: 41,125
And1: 98,277
Joined: Nov 05, 2017

Re: Welcome to Boston, MALCOLM BROGDON 

Post#230 » by zoyathedestroya » Sun Dec 11, 2022 2:23 pm

Read on Twitter
Fencer reregistered
RealGM
Posts: 41,117
And1: 28,004
Joined: Oct 25, 2006

Re: Welcome to Boston, MALCOLM BROGDON 

Post#231 » by Fencer reregistered » Sun Dec 11, 2022 2:27 pm

Larry_Russell wrote:There are times I watch Brogdon and he seems exactly what Dennis Johnson would be if he played in this era.

Perhaps that is just me...


It helps that Brogdon looks like somebody from a previous generation ...

... well, not always. But when the hair is calm and moustache non-trivial, than clearly.

And to some extent always in his lack of razzle-dazzle.
Banned temporarily for, among other sins, being "Extremely Deviant".
User avatar
Larry_Russell
RealGM
Posts: 11,841
And1: 6,138
Joined: Jun 23, 2021

Re: Welcome to Boston, MALCOLM BROGDON 

Post#232 » by Larry_Russell » Sun Dec 11, 2022 2:54 pm

Fencer reregistered wrote:
Larry_Russell wrote:There are times I watch Brogdon and he seems exactly what Dennis Johnson would be if he played in this era.

Perhaps that is just me...


It helps that Brogdon looks like somebody from a previous generation ...

... well, not always. But when the hair is calm and moustache non-trivial, than clearly.

And to some extent always in his lack of razzle-dazzle.



Its not the looks as far as his face.

Its more his poise on the court. His willingness to compete on both ends. His ability to know what is needed at any given time. And his pride in giving what is needed, be it scoring, paassing, defense.
sam_I_am
RealGM
Posts: 16,740
And1: 9,539
Joined: Jul 10, 2004

Re: Welcome to Boston, MALCOLM BROGDON 

Post#233 » by sam_I_am » Sun Dec 11, 2022 3:16 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:Something surprising as I was looking at some of our shooting numbers...

Brogdon is only shooting 50% from within 3 feet of the rim. That's by far a career low and well below his 59.2% career average. Last season in Indy he was at 63.2%.

I thought he'd have more room to operate but maybe playing with bench groups more is not doing him any favors esp if it's not alongside Tatum. It gets stagnant sometimes with the second unit with him leading. Or maybe he just needs more time to adjust.

His three-ball (esp from the left wing) has been pure though.


Brogdon was not good last night when it mattered. In third quarter when GS made its big run he didn’t come through - especially at the rim. That said, I think he and Rob are going to be a nightmare combination and his ability to finish or dish to Rob might get that % back above 60.
"I think the criticism's stupid," Stevens said. "So I don't care. I'm with Jaylen (Brown) on that. Those two had achieved more than most 25 and 26 year olds ever had. I'd rather be in the mix and have my guts ripped out than suck."
bigfoot_cryptozoology
Head Coach
Posts: 6,369
And1: 5,697
Joined: Jun 21, 2002

Re: Welcome to Boston, MALCOLM BROGDON 

Post#234 » by bigfoot_cryptozoology » Tue Jan 3, 2023 4:08 pm

I don't have buyer's remorse as regards the Brogdon trade,
it seemed a no-brainer at the time for what they gave up,
but after watching him so far this season,
he is not as dominant a player as I expected.
Some of that could be re-adjusting to a bench role,
but he does seem prone to defensive lapses, turnovers
and having to be gingerly load-managed. Still, I'm much
more confident of his shooting ability in the playoffs than Smart or White,
so that's when I expect his real value to the team to shine.
User avatar
shackles10
Forum Mod - Celtics
Forum Mod - Celtics
Posts: 12,362
And1: 7,224
Joined: May 13, 2004
Location: Indiana
 

Re: Welcome to Boston, MALCOLM BROGDON 

Post#235 » by shackles10 » Tue Jan 3, 2023 5:47 pm

He’s been a tougher fit than I expected, especially since he didn’t change Jaylen’s role like we all thought and the team alluded to. I think that would have been the easiest way to bring him in, but they’ve now got to figure it out. The narrative is still there though as almost every national tv game you hear Doris Burke or someone say, “how good is Malcolm Brogdon’s fit on this team”, even when it’s sometimes more theoretical than what we see on the court. I don’t blame Malcolm for that either, but he does commit a lot more live ball turnovers than I expected or remembered him doing in Indy or Milwaukee. 2022 Finals flashbacks for a lot of them.
Memokerobi
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,756
And1: 3,327
Joined: Jul 05, 2017
         

Re: Welcome to Boston, MALCOLM BROGDON 

Post#236 » by Memokerobi » Tue Jan 3, 2023 11:37 pm

shackles10 wrote:He’s been a tougher fit than I expected, especially since he didn’t change Jaylen’s role like we all thought and the team alluded to. I think that would have been the easiest way to bring him in, but they’ve now got to figure it out. The narrative is still there though as almost every national tv game you hear Doris Burke or someone say, “how good is Malcolm Brogdon’s fit on this team”, even when it’s sometimes more theoretical than what we see on the court. I don’t blame Malcolm for that either, but he does commit a lot more live ball turnovers than I expected or remembered him doing in Indy or Milwaukee. 2022 Finals flashbacks for a lot of them.



Yeah its been a tough fit for now. I think its a bit on the coaching staff too to figure out how to better use him. For me the most disappointing has been expecting him to have a positive impact on our ball movement and offense when the 3 isn't going in but he's kinda been one of the main culprits at times when our offense stagnated. Think he'll be more comfortable by the end of the season though
User avatar
ballup
Assistant Coach
Posts: 3,965
And1: 3,527
Joined: Dec 08, 2013
 

Re: Welcome to Boston, MALCOLM BROGDON 

Post#237 » by ballup » Thu Jan 12, 2023 2:23 pm

Like Brogdon has stated, he's playing like a starter on reserve minutes. The timing of when he plays needs adjustment (needs to play in crunch time)

Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk
User avatar
ConstableGeneva
RealGM
Posts: 50,575
And1: 101,365
Joined: Sep 22, 2012
Location: Parody Account
 

Re: Welcome to Boston, MALCOLM BROGDON 

Post#238 » by ConstableGeneva » Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:31 am

Read on Twitter

Celtics have won their last 5.
░N░0░0░D░S░ ░I░N░ ░B░I░O░
User avatar
ConstableGeneva
RealGM
Posts: 50,575
And1: 101,365
Joined: Sep 22, 2012
Location: Parody Account
 

Re: Welcome to Boston, MALCOLM BROGDON 

Post#239 » by ConstableGeneva » Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:36 am

zoyathedestroya wrote:Something surprising as I was looking at some of our shooting numbers...

Brogdon is only shooting 50% from within 3 feet of the rim. That's by far a career low and well below his 59.2% career average. Last season in Indy he was at 63.2%.

I thought he'd have more room to operate but maybe playing with bench groups more is not doing him any favors esp if it's not alongside Tatum. It gets stagnant sometimes with the second unit with him leading. Or maybe he just needs more time to adjust.

His three-ball (esp from the left wing) has been pure though.

This is now at 58.2%, closer to his career average. Still lowest on the team but is trending up.
░N░0░0░D░S░ ░I░N░ ░B░I░O░
User avatar
shackles10
Forum Mod - Celtics
Forum Mod - Celtics
Posts: 12,362
And1: 7,224
Joined: May 13, 2004
Location: Indiana
 

Re: Welcome to Boston, MALCOLM BROGDON 

Post#240 » by shackles10 » Fri Jan 13, 2023 5:34 pm

Last night I felt was a game where Brogdon should have come back in after a few minutes rest in the 4th, especially when Smart seemed to be limping a little. Luckily, it worked out, but he was instrumental to us pulling away in the 4th and preserving the lead in the 3rd.

Return to Boston Celtics