PHI/DAL/CLE

[Mavrelous]

I hate when people put Luka as a SF in a depth chart, even worse when a Mavs fan does it

Where do you put LeBron and Jokic? They too handle the ball in the P&R, bring it up the floor, and are the focal point offensively.

[Texas Chuck]

I hate when people put Luka as a SF in a depth chart, even worse when a Mavs fan does it

Where do you put LeBron and Jokic? They too handle the ball in the P&R, bring it up the floor, and are the focal point offensively.

This is so pedantic, but Luka has been the Mavs PG since he walked in the door. Not that it matters what you want to call him. The whole world knows he is the PG lol.

[Mavrelous]

CLE takes on $45 mil a year for each of the next two years. Sending out expiring guys that contribute - less than but probably close to what is incoming? Just do not see taking on negative value players for expirings.

Tobias would help but the rest seem mediocre to DAL.

DAL might send them (DFS, THJ, Bertans) - and add a pick just to have cap space to sign a big free agent. Or, add picks and send expirings to a third team for better help (Poeltl, JRich, McD, Turner, Hield, EGordon, KMart, Collins, UTA players, PJ, Kuzma, WAS players, etc.).

DAL don't owe a pick to get Love and LeVert expirings, these 2 are overpaid themselves, and the excess money there counts also, CLE won't be tax payers this year or the next, 3rd year Bertans has partial guarantee and can be waived.
If CLE want to have 130-140 payroll then they shouldn't do this deal, that is their choice, but I don't why the Mavs owe value in the exchange.

[daoneandonly]

I hate when people put Luka as a SF in a depth chart, even worse when a Mavs fan does it

Where do you put LeBron and Jokic? They too handle the ball in the P&R, bring it up the floor, and are the focal point offensively.

They are not their team's PGs while Luka is, you know that.

We get that you hate DFS for some odd reason, which partly inspired this I'm sure. But if Josh Green starting is any kind of solution, then this team has no hope unfortunatley.

[Mavrelous]

I hate when people put Luka as a SF in a depth chart, even worse when a Mavs fan does it

Where do you put LeBron and Jokic? They too handle the ball in the P&R, bring it up the floor, and are the focal point offensively.

They are not their team's PGs while Luka is, you know that.

We get that you hate DFS for some odd reason, which partly inspired this I'm sure. But if Josh Green starting is any kind of solution, then this team has no hope unfortunatley.

I don't hate DFS, I'd love to keep him and upgrade the team, and we can discuss deals without going into ulterior motives...

[Godaddycurse]

wouldnt philly just cut out cleveland?

Harris/Korkmaz/Thybulle for DFS/THJ/Bertans makes more sense to me?

[Godaddycurse]

Also i think Charlotte fits better than Philly if you are looking for an overpaid offensive talent upgrade. Hayward/Oubre for Love/filler works better imo

[psman2]

wouldnt philly just cut out cleveland?

Harris/Korkmaz/Thybulle for DFS/THJ/Bertans makes more sense to me?

They would before doing the OP. At least with this return Philly could have an on the court reason for doing the trade.

[Mavrelous]

wouldnt philly just cut out cleveland?

Harris/Korkmaz/Thybulle for DFS/THJ/Bertans makes more sense to me?

My read of the situation is that PHI will need to scramble cap space next year to re-sign HArden and have flexibilty to make moves, but if they are fine with being tax payers this year and the next, it does make more sense for them.

[jbk1234]

wouldnt philly just cut out cleveland?

Harris/Korkmaz/Thybulle for DFS/THJ/Bertans makes more sense to me?

The issue with this trade, as I see it, is the summer of 2024. Whoever ends up with DFS and THJ (even assuming Bertans isn't fully guaranteed) is out of Brown/O.G. sweepstakes (possibly Siakam as well). Now maybe that doesn't bother Philly if Harden really is going to be signing one-and-one deals from here on out. Maybe it does.

If the Raptors end up trading Siakam, I have Maxey as the best rebuilding asset likely to be made available for him. So then you get into whether an expiring Harris, Maxey, and a pick or two, is a better package, than Maxey plus what they're getting here.

From the Mavs POV, the only reason to clear all the space now is if you're eyeing Turner this summer, or you fear that trying to clear the space next season or in the summer of 2024 might be prohibitively expensive in terms of compensation.

But I don't really have this trade being about any of these teams this season except for the team that winds up with DFS.

[jbk1234]

Also i think Charlotte fits better than Philly if you are looking for an overpaid offensive talent upgrade. Hayward/Oubre for Love/filler works better imo

Hayward has been bad this year and Oubre's injured. I don't think either player is tradeable for expiring contracts.

[psman2]

wouldnt philly just cut out cleveland?

Harris/Korkmaz/Thybulle for DFS/THJ/Bertans makes more sense to me?

My read of the situation is that PHI will need to scramble cap space next year to re-sign HArden and have flexibilty to make moves, but if they are fine with being tax payers this year and the next, it does make more sense for them.

Why cannot Philly get out of the tax still without doing such a big trade? A simple Kork dump with 2nds/cash should not be too hard. Other smaller avenues are open too.

I just don't think Philly is going to prioritize next year's possible flexibility near to the the extent you think they would. Flexibility is a tool to get talent on your team, it doesn't matter near as much once you have your talent already in place.

[jayjaysee]

wouldnt philly just cut out cleveland?

Harris/Korkmaz/Thybulle for DFS/THJ/Bertans makes more sense to me?

I agree that Philly works to cut out Cleveland here. And if Dallas has Harris, they have added some play making already and don’t need to do Caris/Bullock.

I’ve never been interested in a Harris+/DFS swap.

But - just on value this is decent for Dallas . I think they’d likely try and get Thybulle subbed out for something a bit more valuable to them. I don’t think Dallas has the right Offense to work around Thybulle enough to not just let Philly keep the player they love and get additional value if it’s there. But it’s not worth a 2029 first. So not sure Philly has the low end assets Dallas would ask for in order to consider it.

I think this is a Harris deal that Philly should do.

[PhillyNj]

I think this makes Philly much less competitive.

Na Philly isn’t making this trade is brutal on Philly.

[jayjaysee]

The OP is a strictly financial move for Philly. And I don’t expect them to make that kind of decision. They are really good and their stars have missed a good amount of games. They are slept on somehow.

Obviously this is great value for Philly though. I doubt the other teams would allow them to take this much value. But they should never do it. If you need to trade Harris to save money, do it in the offseason and trade him to some team that doesn’t want to pay GTJ/Poeltl/? 30 million. Indiana seems a great spot to take most of his contract into cap space and Philly can go shopping with the biggest TPE in nba history for a 15-20 million dollar downgrade.

[mg]

In the real world Cavs cannot take on all that salary especially when Garland's max deal also kicks in next season.

I do agree they likely end up dealing LeVert by the deadline for some kind of 3&D. They will keep and probably re-sign Love to a value deal in the offseason moreso for his leadership although he can still knock down 3's. Hard to believe he's finally an expiring after they resigned him to that ridiculous deal after Lebron left.

[jbk1234]

CLE takes on $45 mil a year for each of the next two years. Sending out expiring guys that contribute - less than but probably close to what is incoming? Just do not see taking on negative value players for expirings.

Tobias would help but the rest seem mediocre to DAL.

DAL might send them (DFS, THJ, Bertans) - and add a pick just to have cap space to sign a big free agent. Or, add picks and send expirings to a third team for better help (Poeltl, JRich, McD, Turner, Hield, EGordon, KMart, Collins, UTA players, PJ, Kuzma, WAS players, etc.).

DAL don't owe a pick to get Love and LeVert expirings, these 2 are overpaid themselves, and the excess money there counts also, CLE won't be tax payers this year or the next, 3rd year Bertans has partial guarantee and can be waived.
If CLE want to have 130-140 payroll then they shouldn't do this deal, that is their choice, but I don't why the Mavs owe value in the exchange.

The Cavs would be adding $45M to $124M in committed contracts. They would be well, well into the tax next season if they make this trade.

[Mavrelous]

CLE takes on $45 mil a year for each of the next two years. Sending out expiring guys that contribute - less than but probably close to what is incoming? Just do not see taking on negative value players for expirings.

Tobias would help but the rest seem mediocre to DAL.

DAL might send them (DFS, THJ, Bertans) - and add a pick just to have cap space to sign a big free agent. Or, add picks and send expirings to a third team for better help (Poeltl, JRich, McD, Turner, Hield, EGordon, KMart, Collins, UTA players, PJ, Kuzma, WAS players, etc.).

DAL don't owe a pick to get Love and LeVert expirings, these 2 are overpaid themselves, and the excess money there counts also, CLE won't be tax payers this year or the next, 3rd year Bertans has partial guarantee and can be waived.
If CLE want to have 130-140 payroll then they shouldn't do this deal, that is their choice, but I don't why the Mavs owe value in the exchange.

The Cavs would be adding $45M to $124M in committed contracts. They would be well, well into the tax next season if they make this trade.

Tax is at 162 projected, and 124 includes Cedi non guaranteed, so they are at 160, below tax.

[jbk1234]

DAL don't owe a pick to get Love and LeVert expirings, these 2 are overpaid themselves, and the excess money there counts also, CLE won't be tax payers this year or the next, 3rd year Bertans has partial guarantee and can be waived.
If CLE want to have 130-140 payroll then they shouldn't do this deal, that is their choice, but I don't why the Mavs owe value in the exchange.

The Cavs would be adding $45M to $124M in committed contracts. They would be well, well into the tax next season if they make this trade.

Tax is at 162 projected, and 124 includes Cedi non guaranteed, so they are at 160, below tax.

Setting aside the fact that Cedi has played well enough to have a $6.7M option picked up, you're leaving out cap holds.

[Texas Chuck]

The Cavs would be adding $45M to $124M in committed contracts. They would be well, well into the tax next season if they make this trade.

Tax is at 162 projected, and 124 includes Cedi non guaranteed, so they are at 160, below tax.

Setting aside the fact that Cedi has played well enough to have a $6.7M option picked up, you're leaving out cap holds.

Not supporting this trade, but cap holds don't count against tax.