Should the Utah Jazz go for Josh Giddey?

Post #41 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Fri Jan 13, 2023 6:44 pm

I'll take Giddy. The Jazz could really use a guy who knows how to run an offense as is evident every time Conley misses games. The guy is only 20, he has plenty of time and room to improve in all aspects of the game.

Nate505 · Post #42 » by **Nate505** » Fri Jan 13, 2023 6:49 pm

therealozzykhan wrote:
Nate505 wrote:
therealozzykhan wrote:Jazz should trade Luari, Conley and Clarkson and tank to get Victor or Scoot.

Oh yeah, trade an all-star level player on insane efficiency to hopefully move up from a 2% chance to hit the lottery to a 14% chance. Brilliant.

Jazz are a lottery team. How are you getting another star to play along him.

Though the draft? That's how they got pretty much all their stars.

Nate505 · Post #43 » by **Nate505** » Fri Jan 13, 2023 6:50 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:
Nate505 wrote:
BlazersBroncos wrote:Salary ballast and 3-4 FRP for Lauri.

The point of getting picks is to get a player like Lauri, not to trade him for a bunch of picks that may or may not get you a player of his caliber.

I swear, this NBA mindset is **** bizarro world sometimes.

But the OP literally did the exact same but in reverse. Why not call that out as well.

OKC isnt moving Josh for picks. He is one of their cornerstones. As is Lauri in Utah.

Ahh, I see what you're getting at. Point taken (though I don't see Giddey and Markkanen as the same caliber player, but still).

Post #44 » by **Harry Garris** » Fri Jan 13, 2023 6:51 pm

QingJames wrote:I wouldn’t trade any picks for a guy like Giddey who, although good, has serious flaws that will prevent him from being a star in the league.

Too weak, and really bad at finishing around the basket. Slow first step, can’t get by defenders easily. Bad shooter. Awful defender.

I’m not really impressed by him aside from his youth. I see his long term comp as a bigger, better rebounding Rubio. Not a guy I’d give a FRP for.

While those were Josh Giddey’s flaws last year he’s made progress as a defender and finisher this season.

Also Rubio was great at getting by defenders and defending himself when he was younger so I don’t think that’s a great comparison if those are the major flaws you want to highlight in Josh Giddey’s game.

Vox Populi · Post #45 » by **Vox Populi** » Fri Jan 13, 2023 7:05 pm

Nate505 wrote:
BlazersBroncos wrote:
Nate505 wrote:The point of getting picks is to get a player like Lauri, not to trade him for a bunch of picks that may or may not get you a player of his caliber.

I swear, this NBA mindset is **** bizarro world sometimes.

But the OP literally did the exact same but in reverse. Why not call that out as well.

OKC isnt moving Josh for picks. He is one of their cornerstones. As is Lauri in Utah.

Ahh, I see what you're getting at. Point taken (though I don't see Giddey and Markkanen as the same caliber player, but still).

I did not feel it to be the same or similar because of team construction. Does Giddey really fit with SGA, Chet and Poku more than a good wing defender would? On the other hand, Lauri is the best player on the Jazz and fits with everyone.

BlazersBroncos · Post #46 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Fri Jan 13, 2023 7:27 pm

Vox Populi wrote:
Nate505 wrote:
BlazersBroncos wrote:
But the OP literally did the exact same but in reverse. Why not call that out as well.

OKC isnt moving Josh for picks. He is one of their cornerstones. As is Lauri in Utah.

Ahh, I see what you're getting at. Point taken (though I don't see Giddey and Markkanen as the same caliber player, but still).

I did not feel it to be the same or similar because of team construction. Does Giddey really fit with SGA, Chet and Poku more than a good wing defender would? On the other hand, Lauri is the best player on the Jazz and fits with everyone.

Yes, he does. He has already been clearly making effort to adjust his game this season to accomodate the (well deserved) usage that SGA gets. Teams dont rely on a single guy to handle the ball. There is plenty of room for Josh in OKC.

He is 20. OKC is playing well and Josh is better this season than last. There isnt any reason to move him.

Dan Z · Post #47 » by **Dan Z** » Fri Jan 13, 2023 7:30 pm

During the draft I thought OKC should've drafted Kuminga. Right now it looks like I was wrong about that.

Catchall · Post #48 » by **Catchall** » Fri Jan 13, 2023 7:44 pm

As a Jazz fan, I'm looking ahead to the upcoming draft with Scoot, both Thompsons, Keyonte, Nick Smith and Anthony Black before I'm interested in Josh Giddey.

Post #49 » by **Capn'O** » Fri Jan 13, 2023 8:04 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
QingJames wrote:
Syugo wrote:Jeez I'm super surprised at some of the replies here. My first thought was OKC says no, not the other way around. Lots of you seem pretty down on a 20 year old 6 foot 8 pg doing 15/8/6 playing alongside shai who is pretty ball dominant.

Again, it’s not because what he’s doing isn’t impressive, and he’s quite a good playmaker. But he has major deficiencies that aren’t able to be fixed with more reps. His first step will always remain very slow, which really curbs his potential as a lead guard in the league. He can’t penetrate and collapse a defense. He’s not good in the post and his weakness there makes him have to take low-efficiency floaters.

He can be a better shooter, but he has a pretty hard cap on his ceiling because of his lack of quickness, poor separation ability, and poor defense.

Not sure if you watched him lately but he's been very good since Dec 1st. Averaging 16.6 PPG 8.4 RPG 5.8 APG next to a ball dominant SGA. He's stopped taking weak floaters and has made an emphasis to get to the rim and it's been paying off. Made a decent leap as a scorer. He's made dramatic shooting improvements as well.

Hes also just 20 years old, so not sure what you were expecting.

I've heard some rumors.

3toheadmelo · Post #50 » by **3toheadmelo** » Fri Jan 13, 2023 8:13 pm

Capn'O wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
QingJames wrote:Again, it’s not because what he’s doing isn’t impressive, and he’s quite a good playmaker. But he has major deficiencies that aren’t able to be fixed with more reps. His first step will always remain very slow, which really curbs his potential as a lead guard in the league. He can’t penetrate and collapse a defense. He’s not good in the post and his weakness there makes him have to take low-efficiency floaters.

He can be a better shooter, but he has a pretty hard cap on his ceiling because of his lack of quickness, poor separation ability, and poor defense.

Not sure if you watched him lately but he's been very good since Dec 1st. Averaging 16.6 PPG 8.4 RPG 5.8 APG next to a ball dominant SGA. He's stopped taking weak floaters and has made an emphasis to get to the rim and it's been paying off. Made a decent leap as a scorer. He's made dramatic shooting improvements as well.

Hes also just 20 years old, so not sure what you were expecting.

I've heard some rumors.

Guess we'll find out Sunday

mediocrityrules · Post #51 » by **mediocrityrules** » Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:23 pm

Are we really capping a guy's career who's still younger than over half of this year's rookie class?

meekrab · Post #52 » by **meekrab** » Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:24 pm

SGA and Giddey is a bad combination but SGA and Sexton is a championship caliber back court?

OKC should be converting picks into roster upgrades, not cashing in their few NBA-ready players for more picks.

rocketsfan100 · Post #53 » by **rocketsfan100** » Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:21 pm

I’ve come to the conclusion most of the people here bashing Giddy haven’t watched him play at all or just seen a few token games. The kid is the real deal

Ayt · Post #54 » by **Ayt** » Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:44 pm

Giddey just turned 20 a couple months ago (he's still the 2nd youngest player on that roster) and has shown excellent improvement in his 2nd season, particularly in the last few months. Trading him for a player like Sexton who is an awful fit and isn't very good makes no sense.

Giddey is going to make a lot of people in this thread look foolish in a couple of years.

SlovenianDragon · Post #55 » by **SlovenianDragon** » Sat Jan 14, 2023 12:13 am

realgm is funny Giddey and Banchero are the same age.

Giddey is the better player...

Realgm loves Banchero and thinks Giddey should be traded? lollll

Giddey isnt going anywhere.

Post #56 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Sat Jan 14, 2023 12:20 am

I will throw this out there just for fun:

Lauri, 2023 MIN 1st for Giddey, Bazley

tooler · Post #57 » by **tooler** » Sat Jan 14, 2023 12:32 am

rocketsfan100 wrote:I’ve come to the conclusion most of the people here bashing Giddy haven’t watched him play at all or just seen a few token games. The kid is the real deal

They probably don’t realize how good his shooting has been since December. I didn’t realize it until last week and I usually keep an eye on young guys in the box scores.

QPR · Post #58 » by **QPR** » Sat Jan 14, 2023 1:07 am

Colbinii wrote:
Syugo wrote:Jeez I'm super surprised at some of the replies here. My first thought was OKC says no, not the other way around. Lots of you seem pretty down on a 20 year old 6 foot 8 pg doing 15/8/6 playing alongside shai who is pretty ball dominant.

Giddey has clear ceilings to what he can become as a player--even at 20 years old.

A team like Utah isn't going to give the kitchen sink for this type of player while OKC has no reason to sell low on Giddey.

Wouldn't have described Sexton as the kitchen sink. Giddey might not ever be a star but he's a high IQ and high character guy who is still younger than a lot of rookies.

OKC already has its ball-dominant star guard.

mg · Post #59 » by mg » Sat Jan 14, 2023 1:24 am

Why is this trash trade thread allowed on the GB?

payton2kemp · Post #60 » by **payton2kemp** » Sat Jan 14, 2023 1:26 am

Inigo Montoya wrote:I'll take Giddy. The Jazz could really use a guy who knows how to run an offense as is evident every time Conley misses games. The guy is only 20, he has plenty of time and room to improve in all aspects of the game.

Fred Van Vleet for 2 first round picks. Seems like he's more available than Giddey.