Tank World Order (10.0) The Empire Strikes Back

[JB7]

If we're able to trade Fred, Boucher. Get some picks back. Trent, OG, Pascal, Scottie, a top 10 pick, maybe a pick (or two) in the 15-25 range, Precious, Koloko.

we should really trade siakam and thats what i had in mind when capitalizing on the assets. Its just too much of a gamble to not deal him at this moment in time.

Agreed. I love Siakam. He's one of my favourite Raptors ever. But he's about to be 29 and he's playing some of the best basketball of his career. Now is as good a time as any to trade him. He'd bring back a HAUL. You're looking at ~5 FRPs or the equivalent in prospects. Trading him would supercharge the rebuild.

Portland is the team to deal with, in terms of Siakam. They are desperate to win, and now on the outside of the play-in. With the West so tight, adding someone like Siakam could vault them up the standings in the West.

[Raps in 4]

we should really trade siakam and thats what i had in mind when capitalizing on the assets. Its just too much of a gamble to not deal him at this moment in time.

Agreed. I love Siakam. He's one of my favourite Raptors ever. But he's about to be 29 and he's playing some of the best basketball of his career. Now is as good a time as any to trade him. He'd bring back a HAUL. You're looking at ~5 FRPs or the equivalent in prospects. Trading him would supercharge the rebuild.

Portland is the team to deal with, in terms of Siakam. They are desperate to win, and now on the outside of the play-in. With the West so tight, adding someone like Siakam could vault them up the standings in the West.

Dallas, Phoenix, and GSW are desperate as well. Lots of options.

[JB7]

Agreed. I love Siakam. He's one of my favourite Raptors ever. But he's about to be 29 and he's playing some of the best basketball of his career. Now is as good a time as any to trade him. He'd bring back a HAUL. You're looking at ~5 FRPs or the equivalent in prospects. Trading him would supercharge the rebuild.

Portland is the team to deal with, in terms of Siakam. They are desperate to win, and now on the outside of the play-in. With the West so tight, adding someone like Siakam could vault them up the standings in the West.

Dallas, Phoenix, and GSW are desperate as well. Lots of options.

Dallas has nothing to offer.

Phoenix has nothing (in terms of players) that the Raps would be interested in, at least in terms of who the Suns would probably be willing to deal. And the Suns still have a good young core. Their draft picks will be late round picks, especially with a new owner coming in that will want to win, and probably spend $.

GSW would need to deal one of Dray, Klay or Wiggins to get Siakam, in terms of salary matching, and they are probably not dealing any of them. Also, GSW’s starters are doing amazing in terms of point differential. It is their bench that is the problem. They’ll probably just be looking to add bench pieces.

Portland has two young players in Simons and Sharpe to offer, plus picks in the future which are more valuable coming from them, since their core would be so old. 4 years from now, they could be a bottom feeding team.

[baller16]

FO office doesn't have the balls to do it but if we decided to blow it up and build around Barnes, we need to dump OG and Siakam before its to late. Their value is at its absolute peak and we can get a king's ransom for them right now.

[NinjaBro]

Seems like most of our traditional media are aboard the tank. Blake Murphy who's been as much as anti tank as anyone over the years said "this team stinks"

[ATLTimekeeper]

That stat is telling you they suck with this advantage. Anyway, when you get to talking about fake wins and real losses I think you just can't enjoy the team anymore. Good teams win, bad teams lose. It's that simple.

It's not telling me that. It's screaming small sample size, or that the timing of the samples is misleading.

Where's the L at? I be taking it.

3-6 against teams on a B2B. It's funny, Kate Beirness on the radio this morning was saying that tonight was the most important game of the season. I thought that was a ridiculous take, assuming that of course the Raps would win. But she was right. This team just doesn't have jam.

Fred season-ending surgery announcement incoming. No team is going to give up assets for his expiring contract. He'll get his medical treatment, opt into the contract for next season and bet on himself in 2024. But what to do about Pascal?

I think the season's been over for a while. Can't shoot straight.

[Ell Curry]

FO office doesn't have the balls to do it but if we decided to blow it up and build around Barnes, we need to dump OG and Siakam before its to late. Their value is at its absolute peak and we can get a king's ransom for them right now.

I think the fit issue is Barnes and Siakam. OG at the 3 makes a lot of sense next to Barnes.

[Chandan]

just dont know how the defense is so bad. theybmade atlanta and even hornet look like offensive juggaraunts.
we know siakam og are at least capable defenders. Barnes from eye test is a bit below average to average depending on match ups.

not that i am complaining we are losing games though.

[HumbleRen]

just dont know how the defense is so bad. theybmade atlanta and even hornet look like offensive juggaraunts.
we know siakam og are at least capable defenders. Barnes from eye test is a bit below average to average depending on match ups.

not that i am complaining we are losing games though.

Point of attack is crucial if you don’t have a great rim protector.

Our point of attack defence has fallen off a cliff compared to what it was last year.

[WuTang_CMB]

update:

16 games until trade deadline including last night vs Charlotte. I guessed our record. I will update after each game.

(17-23)

Jan 10 - Charlotte - W (18-23)
Jan 12 - Charlotte - W (19-23)
Jan 14 - Atlanta - W .... Loss (19-24)

Jan 16 - @ NY - L
Jan 17 - @ Milwaukee - L
Jan 19 - @ Minnesota - L
Jan 21 - Boston - L
Jan 22 - NY - W
Jan 25 - @ Sacramento - L
Jan 27 - @ G.S. - L
Jan 28 - @ Portland - L
Jan 30 - @ Phoenix - L
Feb 1 - @ Utah - W
Feb 3 - @ Houston - W
Feb 5 - @ Memphis - L
Feb 8 - San Antonio - W

Feb 9 = Trade Deadline.

7-9 record as per above (24-32). But lets say we get 2 extra wins and go 9-7 instead, we would be (26-30).

To put things in perspective on Feb 9 of last year (deadline was Feb 10), our record was 30-23.

That Bucks game might be a fake win, with Giannis likely out (Bucks on end of a b2b)

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/270010/Giannis-Antetokounmpo-Unlikely-To-Play-Saturday-Due-To-Sore-Knee

So are we lol

[NinjaBro]

William Lou has given up. Listening to the reaction pod and it's only 27 mins.

[bboyskinnylegs]

Seems like most of our traditional media are aboard the tank. Blake Murphy who's been as much as anti tank as anyone over the years said "this team stinks"

I wonder what the straw that broke the camel's back was now. Most of the media guys were all aboard the Poeltl (or other competent C) train to fix our problems.

[Duffman100]

Seems like most of our traditional media are aboard the tank. Blake Murphy who's been as much as anti tank as anyone over the years said "this team stinks"

I wonder what the straw that broke the camel's back was now. Most of the media guys were all aboard the Poeltl (or other competent C) train to fix our problems.

At a certain point it’s hard to argue with math.

[earth007]

I think Nurse has got the memo from the FO to do a stealth tank. Yesterday, only Scottie played more than 35 minutes. I know FVV, GTJ flat out sucked and Pascal was in foul trouble. But, OG could have played more. Also, before the last game, Nurse would have played FVV and GTJ way more, no matter what. I think we have finally accepted the reality and committed to tanking. Fingers crossed. lol.

[isyed]

Curios if we end up with the 3rd or 4th pick and okc weeks up at like 8th or 9th. Would you guys be ok to trade the pick plus future draft capital for sga?

Assumimg we keep our team the same and make minor moves to get some additional picks and salary fillers?

Would you build around sga barnes Siakam and og?

Let's say sending out gtr, fvv, Boucher, young and Flynn gets us a couple 1st rounders this year and we use those plus some of our own to get sga.

Does that make us good enough for a star like sga?

Maybe we use mle for poetl.

Poetl/koloko
Siakam/ precious
Barnes
Og
Sga

Does that make us good enough? Maybe we use bi annual for shooters and take on some other contracts like Joe Harris and or Duncan Robinson to provide more space?

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[Raptors_128]

Curios if we end up with the 3rd or 4th pick and okc weeks up at like 8th or 9th. Would you guys be ok to trade the pick plus future draft capital for sga?

Assumimg we keep our team the same and make minor moves to get some additional picks and salary fillers?

Would you build around sga barnes Siakam and og?

Let's say sending out gtr, fvv, Boucher, young and Flynn gets us a couple 1st rounders this year and we use those plus some of our own to get sga.

Does that make us good enough for a star like sga?

Maybe we use mle for poetl.

Poetl/koloko
Siakam/ precious
Barnes
Og
Sga

Does that make us good enough? Maybe we use bi annual for shooters and take on some other contracts like Joe Harris and or Duncan Robinson to provide more space?

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I think the SGA ship has sailed. OKC is in a great position right now. They have the assets to trade for any star that hits the market and their #2 overall pick hasn’t played a minute in the NBA yet.

They are in a better position than the Raptors.

[Raps in 4]

FO office doesn't have the balls to do it but if we decided to blow it up and build around Barnes, we need to dump OG and Siakam before its to late. Their value is at its absolute peak and we can get a king's ransom for them right now.

I think the fit issue is Barnes and Siakam. OG at the 3 makes a lot of sense next to Barnes.

He's also 3 years younger than Siakam and would bring in less in a trade.

I'm fine with keeping or trading OG.

[tecumseh18]

Curios if we end up with the 3rd or 4th pick and okc weeks up at like 8th or 9th. Would you guys be ok to trade the pick plus future draft capital for sga?

Assumimg we keep our team the same and make minor moves to get some additional picks and salary fillers?

Would you build around sga barnes Siakam and og?

Let's say sending out gtr, fvv, Boucher, young and Flynn gets us a couple 1st rounders this year and we use those plus some of our own to get sga.

Does that make us good enough for a star like sga?

Maybe we use mle for poetl.

Poetl/koloko
Siakam/ precious
Barnes
Og
Sga

Does that make us good enough? Maybe we use bi annual for shooters and take on some other contracts like Joe Harris and or Duncan Robinson to provide more space?

Sent from my SM-F711W using RealGM mobile app

I think the SGA ship has sailed. OKC is in a great position right now. They have the assets to trade for any star that hits the market and their #2 overall pick hasn’t played a minute in the NBA yet.

They are in a better position than the Raptors.

I just saw it suggested that Josh Giddey has been the top sophomore so far this year.

Raps do have talent, but the rest of the league has more. We need a refill - more shooters this time.

Also, Jak will NOT be available for the MLE. He just turned down a 15 mill AAV extension with the Spurs.

[WuTang_CMB]

its kind of a blessing that the team's struggles are coming out now .. team needs major help and we clearly cannot be paying fred what he's looking for.

no shame in punting on the season and getting another top prospect to pair with siakam, scottie, og

[WuTang_CMB]

goof grange on board. https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/another-no-show-makes-an-unlikely-raptors-turnaround-even-more-improbable/

After falling to the Hawks – who are now two games ahead of Toronto in ninth place – Toronto needs to go 27-12 over its final 39, a .692 pace, or a 57-win season to get to 46 wins.

Which teams are playing at that standard (or better) right now? In the East, just Boston. In the West, only Denver and Memphis.

What can the Raptors take away from their loss against the Hawks as they hit the road?


Apart from the sheer unlikeliness of a team that plays half a season at a sub-.500 rate suddenly playing a level commensurate with a championship contender for the second half, there are some additional logistical barriers the Raptors would have to overcome.

The primary one now, with the Raptors having concluded their season-high six-game homestand Saturday, is that the road beckons, and the Raptors have been a horrible road team all season. Their five road wins (in 18 games) are the fewest of any team in the league other than the Houston Rockets.

With 10 of their next 12 away from home and 23 of their last 39 – including seven-game and five-game west coast road trips still to play out – the Raptors' only realistic hope of mimicking their 27-14 second-half finish from last year (which got them to 48 wins and the fifth seed) is to completely turn around a glaring weakness.

Even going a very respectable 12-11 on the road – which the Raptors will get a taste of this week with games at New York (Monday), Milwaukee (Tuesday) and Minnesota (Thursday) would mean the Raptors need to finish their home schedule a scorching 15-1.

Does this seem like a team that can go 15-1 at home? Charlotte doesn’t play here 16 times, keep in mind.

So can the Raptors pull this off? Their three-game winning streak (now ended) was supposed to be the start of something, the platform from which to take another big leap.

Again, short answer: no.

Their loss to the Hawks shows the gap they're trying to cross is big and getting bigger all the time.

More realistic is a run at a play-in spot, which begs the question: why?