2023 Draft Prospect discussion

BoyzNTheHood · Post #861 » by **BoyzNTheHood** » Mon Jan 16, 2023 4:34 am

mtcan wrote:My big question is...which Thompson twin is better? If Masai has the 3rd or 4th pick in the draft...who does he take?

Amen will be picked higher based on his top 1% athleticism with the hopes that he develops his game, but for me Ausar should be picked first. His game is more advanced. I think Ausar will be the better winner and Amen will make more highlight reels and have more national TV games.

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grant101 · Post #862 » by **grant101** » Mon Jan 16, 2023 4:48 am

mtcan wrote:My big question is...which Thompson twin is better? If Masai has the 3rd or 4th pick in the draft...who does he take?

Ending up with either Thompson twin is a massive W. I'd personally take Amen's playmaking, passing and ball handling. The shot is a concern, but his ability to get to the basket at will, collapse the defence, and find his teammates or finish above the rim is something we haven't had for ages. A true 6'7 PG with otherworldly athleticisim and high feel for the game doesn't come around very often. He also seems like a great kid and hard worker.

I think you could also make a very reasonable case for Whitmore or B. Miller in those spots as well. this draft is absolutely loaded!

mtcan · Post #863 » by **mtcan** » Mon Jan 16, 2023 4:57 am

Amen's shot is just weird. Not sure if the form needs a total rework.

LoveMyRaps · Post #864 » by **LoveMyRaps** » Mon Jan 16, 2023 5:00 am

mtcan wrote:My big question is...which Thompson twin is better? If Masai has the 3rd or 4th pick in the draft...who does he take?

Neither. Amen is better though.

Psubs · Post #865 » by **Psubs** » Mon Jan 16, 2023 5:03 am

mtcan wrote:Amen's shot is just weird. Not sure if the form needs a total rework.

It's bad like Lonzo Ball's.

Post #866 » by **Reeko** » Mon Jan 16, 2023 5:03 am

Any chance Brandon Miller goes ahead of Scoot?

Post #867 » by **Reeko** » Mon Jan 16, 2023 5:04 am

Psubs wrote:
mtcan wrote:Amen's shot is just weird. Not sure if the form needs a total rework.

It's bad like Lonzo Ball's.

Lonzo ended up being a pretty good 3 point shooter though.

tecumseh18 · Post #868 » by **tecumseh18** » Mon Jan 16, 2023 5:14 am

What range of prospects are we discussing here? I'll never get back the hours I spent in 2021 comparing Moody, Bouknight and Davion Mitchell. Holy cow, this franchise dodged a bullet. Would we have drafted Wagner if we stayed at #7?

Psubs · Post #869 » by **Psubs** » Mon Jan 16, 2023 5:26 am

tecumseh18 wrote:What range of prospects are we discussing here? I'll never get back the hours I spent in 2021 comparing Moody, Bouknight and Davion Mitchell. Holy cow, this franchise dodged a bullet. Would we have drafted Wagner if we stayed at #7?

I'm so happy that Golden State got Kuminga instead of Giddey or Wagner.

tecumseh18 · Post #870 » by **tecumseh18** » Mon Jan 16, 2023 5:33 am

Psubs wrote:
tecumseh18 wrote:What range of prospects are we discussing here? I'll never get back the hours I spent in 2021 comparing Moody, Bouknight and Davion Mitchell. Holy cow, this franchise dodged a bullet. Would we have drafted Wagner if we stayed at #7?

I'm so happy that Golden State got Kuminga instead of Giddey or Wagner.

Wagner would have been so perfect for the Dubs. But Fran Fraschilla in a long pre-draft podcast interview back then said something to the effect that he didn't think Franz had the athleticism to keep up in the league. Fran was really down on him as a prospect.

Right about Bruno, WAY wrong about Franz.

UnbelievablyRAW · Post #871 » by **UnbelievablyRAW** » Mon Jan 16, 2023 5:39 am

Keynote George and a Thompson twin would be amazing. We need another top 10 pick.

Keyonte has been getting buckets and looks like he’s going to be an offensive star in the league scoring wise. Both the Thompson twins are great passers and athletic finishers. Would be a powerhouse backcourt we haven’t had since like TMac and VC

Syd-TK3 · Post #872 » by **Syd-TK3** » Mon Jan 16, 2023 5:55 am

tecumseh18 wrote:What range of prospects are we discussing here? I'll never get back the hours I spent in 2021 comparing Moody, Bouknight and Davion Mitchell. Holy cow, this franchise dodged a bullet. Would we have drafted Wagner if we stayed at #7?

Franz or Mitchell woulda been the pick forsure

PhilBlackson · Post #873 » by **PhilBlackson** » Mon Jan 16, 2023 6:50 am

If we can't get back down into the top 6, until Baba can show the kind of flashes he did in some of the footage online & obviously with consistency & I think Jarace Walker would be my favourite non top 6 pick. I'm not at all saying I'm abandoning Baba as a prospect just yet, the kid is jumping in more than halfway through the college seen, hasn't been playing real games in how long?! So we'll see if he turns into a bust or not. Bu the more I watch of Walker, the more I'm not sure I disagree with whichever mock placed him above Whitmore.

From what from the scouting reports I've listened to about him there's a belief that he's been somewhat "limited" by his role in the offence due to HOU is really trying to compete & him just being willing to blend right in and they're VERY impressed. But it also seems like lately Jarace is starting to show some of what he was doing at IMG. He has some sneaking scoring ability both off the dribble & just being able to hit different types of jumpers -- if he can keep his shot percentages up (in particular his 3pt in the high 30+s) when you combine the monster he is on defence, I think he could be a helluva fit with the rest of vision (actually 6'7-)'6'9'.

It's not like he's not a freshman, he's hitting around 40% from 3 right now & 70+% from FT, reminds me of OG's numbers. Aside from this season when they reported OG having a hand injury, he's been amongst some best shooting wings in the league. He's a legit 3+D player imo, if Jarace has that kind of touch on his jumper with way more skill at an earlier age AND more natural coordination (OG is naturally awkward lol), I think there could be serious untapped potential plus all I've heard is has a high compete level which obviously shows on the defensive end. If we can't get into that top clear all-star caliber group near the top, I'm not what better mold of a player we'll be able to find (other than ofc if Baba can show those flashes lol, if not Jarace might be alone is my favorite non-top 6, I still like Black too lol but I just think Jarace would make our defence crazy if we got a rim protector in the OFF-SEASON (not by trading the damn pick need to get Jarace) like Myles Turner.

Scottie
OG
Pascal
Walker
Turner

Put OG or Jarace at the point of attack with Pascal or Scottie as your "weak" switches with Turner waiting around the paint. I think especially defensively that would have potential to be one of the best in the league. We didn't even need Fred or Gary to shoot near 40% on the season, just more so probably a good 36-37+% and this team would win a lot more games I think OG, Walker & Turner could do that with Pascal getting close & Scottie getting to a point where they at least have to show his jumper some respect lol but combine all the added size, length to contest shots all over the court plus much more rebounding AND Walker is pretty good rim protector with Turner...with some development from Jarace & Scottie in 2-3 years, I could see a POTENTIAL (that's all it is of course until guys can do so on a NBA court) as a REAL competitive & possible contending team.

Mark_83 · Post #874 » by **Mark_83** » Mon Jan 16, 2023 6:52 am

Unpopular opinion but I'm not that high on the Thompson twins. Maybe there's intricacies to their game that you can't spot in highlights, but for as amazing athletes as they are supposed to be I haven't see any highlights that showcase jaw-dropping athleticism. I've seen it from Whitmore on quite a few occasions this year for example, where the freakish athleticism puts you in awe. With the twins I see the elite athleticism that you see every draft, but I'm not not seeing that transcendent athleticism you see only once in a decade or even five year span. They're closer to a Terrence Ross-level athlete than a Vince Carter imo (not in terms of playing style/potential, just in terms of raw athleticism).

Don't get me wrong, I'd still take them just based on talent depending where on the draft board we are. But they haven't really wowed me with anything I've seen, and the shooting deficiencies are real concerns if they're going to be wings in this league. There's plenty of hyper athletic players in the NBA who never amounted to much due to lack of shooting at that position.

DeKobe DeBryant · Post #875 » by **DeKobe DeBryant** » Mon Jan 16, 2023 7:33 am

mtcan wrote:My big question is...which Thompson twin is better? If Masai has the 3rd or 4th pick in the draft...who does he take?

Amen is more talented but I honestly think if we got Ausar, the Raptors would turn him into the better player.

Psubs · Post #876 » by **Psubs** » Mon Jan 16, 2023 1:28 pm

DeKobe DeBryant wrote:
mtcan wrote:My big question is...which Thompson twin is better? If Masai has the 3rd or 4th pick in the draft...who does he take?

Amen is more talented but I honestly think if we got Ausar, the Raptors would turn him into the better player.

It seems almost like Vince Carter vs Antawn Jamison.

Ell Curry · Post #877 » by **Ell Curry** » Mon Jan 16, 2023 4:10 pm

tecumseh18 wrote:
Psubs wrote:
tecumseh18 wrote:What range of prospects are we discussing here? I'll never get back the hours I spent in 2021 comparing Moody, Bouknight and Davion Mitchell. Holy cow, this franchise dodged a bullet. Would we have drafted Wagner if we stayed at #7?

I'm so happy that Golden State got Kuminga instead of Giddey or Wagner.

Wagner would have been so perfect for the Dubs. But Fran Fraschilla in a long pre-draft podcast interview back then said something to the effect that he didn't think Franz had the athleticism to keep up in the league. Fran was really down on him as a prospect.

Right about Bruno, WAY wrong about Franz.

That's crazy, he was a great defender his 2nd year at Michigan and used his long stride to get to the rim on closeouts well. His brother absolutely lacked basic NBA athleticism but he didn't at all.

Rapsfan07 · Post #878 » by **Rapsfan07** » Mon Jan 16, 2023 6:13 pm

DeKobe DeBryant wrote:
mtcan wrote:My big question is...which Thompson twin is better? If Masai has the 3rd or 4th pick in the draft...who does he take?

Amen is more talented but I honestly think if we got Ausar, the Raptors would turn him into the better player.

I'd more or less agree with this.

Jadoogar · Post #879 » by **Jadoogar** » Mon Jan 16, 2023 7:01 pm

tecumseh18 wrote:What range of prospects are we discussing here? I'll never get back the hours I spent in 2021 comparing Moody, Bouknight and Davion Mitchell. Holy cow, this franchise dodged a bullet. Would we have drafted Wagner if we stayed at #7?

Absolutely. Wagner fits the model we look for, big play maker and versatile forwards. I can't imagine we would ever pick Mitchell or Bouknight (mega bust).

Smalltown · Post #880 » by **Smalltown** » Mon Jan 16, 2023 7:46 pm

Mark_83 wrote:Unpopular opinion but I'm not that high on the Thompson twins. Maybe there's intricacies to their game that you can't spot in highlights, but for as amazing athletes as they are supposed to be I haven't see any highlights that showcase jaw-dropping athleticism. I've seen it from Whitmore on quite a few occasions this year for example, where the freakish athleticism puts you in awe. With the twins I see the elite athleticism that you see every draft, but I'm not not seeing that transcendent athleticism you see only once in a decade or even five year span. They're closer to a Terrence Ross-level athlete than a Vince Carter imo (not in terms of playing style/potential, just in terms of raw athleticism).

Don't get me wrong, I'd still take them just based on talent depending where on the draft board we are. But they haven't really wowed me with anything I've seen, and the shooting deficiencies are real concerns if they're going to be wings in this league. There's plenty of hyper athletic players in the NBA who never amounted to much due to lack of shooting at that position.

Not all that unpopular to me. Pretty much agree with everything you said.