Cavs Considering Three-Team Trade To Land Malik Beasley

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Cavs Considering Three-Team Trade To Land Malik Beasley 

Post#1 » by RealGM Wiretap » Mon Jan 16, 2023 2:32 pm

The Cleveland Cavaliers have been looking to add another wing shooter to their rotation all season. That pursuit has the Cavs considering a three-team trade with the Atlanta Hawks and Utah Jazz.


In the rumored construction, Cleveland would land Malik Beasley from Utah. The Jazz would acquire John Collins, who they've had rumored interest in for months. The Hawks would likely acquire players from both Cleveland and Utah, with Caris LeVert potentially included in a deal.


Beasley has averaged 13.8 points and 3.5 rebounds in 46 games off the Jazz bench. The seventh-year guard has shot 40% from the field, and 36% from behind the arc.


On potential holdup for Utah is taking on the remainder of Collins' contract. The Jazz have asked the Hawks for draft compensation for taking on the $102 million that Collins is owed through 2025-26.

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Post#2 » by TheCage4 » Mon Jan 16, 2023 4:31 pm

What is the Jazz’ obsession with Collins?
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Post#3 » by WillyJakkz » Mon Jan 16, 2023 5:19 pm

TheCage4 wrote:What is the Jazz’ obsession with Collins?


I don't know cause outside of finessing ATL into attaching a pick "due to his contract" I'm trying to figure it out, too.
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Post#4 » by bgrep14 » Mon Jan 16, 2023 5:21 pm

Why not send Collins to Cleveland for Love? Some type of Love and Okoru for Collins and Hunter
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Post#5 » by HotelVitale » Mon Jan 16, 2023 5:48 pm

Pretty casual about what the Cavs give up, like anyone could grab Beasley for whatever trash is laying around. Feel like that’s the missing piece here. Cavs don’t have almost anything they can trade atm that a team like UTA would want, do they?
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Post#6 » by oaktownwarriors87 » Mon Jan 16, 2023 5:48 pm

TheCage4 wrote:What is the Jazz’ obsession with Collins?


Who says they're obsessed? Atlanta probably thinks they're the only team willing to spend on Collins.

Other teams know he a) won't move the needle or b) will be making nearly 30 million when the cap jumps. They'd rather have the cap space.

Atlanta needs to target a team that wants to improve now but also won't be looking for big FA signings when the cap jumps. That's the Jazz.

Asking for a draft pick is totally fair.
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Post#7 » by dubbmotta » Mon Jan 16, 2023 6:06 pm

bgrep14 wrote:Why not send Collins to Cleveland for Love? Some type of Love and Okoru for Collins and Hunter


That would be TERRIBLE for the Cavs, why would they pick up 100 Mill contract for a sixth man? He's not starting over Mobley and Allen..and Love contract expires end of the season.
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Post#8 » by fefe22 » Mon Jan 16, 2023 6:10 pm

Nets will take on Collins without requiring a draft pick.

Cavs can get Joe Harris instead of Beasley. Probably a better fit for them.
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Post#9 » by madmaxmedia » Mon Jan 16, 2023 6:47 pm

fefe22 wrote:Nets will take on Collins without requiring a draft pick.

Cavs can get Joe Harris instead of Beasley. Probably a better fit for them.


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Post#10 » by Darthlukey » Mon Jan 16, 2023 7:10 pm

WillyJakkz wrote:
TheCage4 wrote:What is the Jazz’ obsession with Collins?


I don't know cause outside of finessing ATL into attaching a pick "due to his contract" I'm trying to figure it out, too.

It's a opportunity to rehab his value, like lauri's. Collins usage has plummeted and he doesn't look happy at all. Perhaps a change of scenery with a team that passes might improve his outlook and subsequent play
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Post#11 » by HotelVitale » Mon Jan 16, 2023 10:27 pm

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WillyJakkz wrote:
TheCage4 wrote:What is the Jazz’ obsession with Collins?


I don't know cause outside of finessing ATL into attaching a pick "due to his contract" I'm trying to figure it out, too.

It's a opportunity to rehab his value, like lauri's. Collins usage has plummeted and he doesn't look happy at all. Perhaps a change of scenery with a team that passes might improve his outlook and subsequent play

Yeah they seem to think he’s better than he’s showing now because of how he’s being used, and think he’s worth grabbing while his value is low. But I don’t think it’s necessarily to increase his trade value and plan to dump him later, which seems like both a risky and not super smooth team building idea given where they’re at now. (Also not an Ainge thing to do). Makes me wonder how he’d fit with Lauri if they want to make him their starter for a few years, not sure about that duo.
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Post#12 » by Pickled Prunes » Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:10 am

HotelVitale wrote:
Darthlukey wrote:
WillyJakkz wrote:
I don't know cause outside of finessing ATL into attaching a pick "due to his contract" I'm trying to figure it out, too.

It's a opportunity to rehab his value, like lauri's. Collins usage has plummeted and he doesn't look happy at all. Perhaps a change of scenery with a team that passes might improve his outlook and subsequent play

Yeah they seem to think he’s better than he’s showing now because of how he’s being used, and think he’s worth grabbing while his value is low. But I don’t think it’s necessarily to increase his trade value and plan to dump him later, which seems like both a risky and not super smooth team building idea given where they’re at now. (Also not an Ainge thing to do). Makes me wonder how he’d fit with Lauri if they want to make him their starter for a few years, not sure about that duo.

He is clearly better than he is currently showing. There is absolutely no reason ATL should be sending out a pick to get off of Collins' contract. He was averaging 20/10 with 58% 2pt and 40% 3pt when he was 21. He's only 25 now and the Trae show has him down to 10 FGA per game. Of course he's better than this.
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Post#13 » by Blue_and_Whte » Tue Jan 17, 2023 1:57 pm

bgrep14 wrote:Why not send Collins to Cleveland for Love? Some type of Love and Okoru for Collins and Hunter

The Hawks are pretty high on Hunter. I doubt the move him. Maybe Bogs who's been kind of up and down for them. That Huerter trade was stupid on their part.
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Post#14 » by Ryreb » Tue Jan 17, 2023 2:44 pm

dubbmotta wrote:
bgrep14 wrote:Why not send Collins to Cleveland for Love? Some type of Love and Okoru for Collins and Hunter


That would be TERRIBLE for the Cavs, why would they pick up 100 Mill contract for a sixth man? He's not starting over Mobley and Allen..and Love contract expires end of the season.


If we had Laurie playing the 3, why the hell couldn't Collins play the 3? Collins is way more athletic and not as tall as Laurie. AND so what do we do with the 30 mil from the expiring on Love? we can not spend that money any other place. so why not transfer whos making that 30 mil from Love to Collins instead of NO ONE!!

Id rather have Collins and Beasley on my team then Love and Lavert. They both are younger and signed for longer. WE WILL NOT HAVE CAP SPACE FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS so who cares about expiring deals other then to trade them for continuing assets
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Post#15 » by HotelVitale » Tue Jan 17, 2023 3:33 pm

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HotelVitale wrote:
Darthlukey wrote:It's a opportunity to rehab his value, like lauri's. Collins usage has plummeted and he doesn't look happy at all. Perhaps a change of scenery with a team that passes might improve his outlook and subsequent play

Yeah they seem to think he’s better than he’s showing now because of how he’s being used, and think he’s worth grabbing while his value is low. But I don’t think it’s necessarily to increase his trade value and plan to dump him later, which seems like both a risky and not super smooth team building idea given where they’re at now. (Also not an Ainge thing to do). Makes me wonder how he’d fit with Lauri if they want to make him their starter for a few years, not sure about that duo.

He is clearly better than he is currently showing. There is absolutely no reason ATL should be sending out a pick to get off of Collins' contract. He was averaging 20/10 with 58% 2pt and 40% 3pt when he was 21. He's only 25 now and the Trae show has him down to 10 FGA per game. Of course he's better than this.

We all know that stats-wise, sure, there is no doubt that he could be doing a lot more with a bigger role or on a rebuilding team. But it’s more complicated to determine his value on a good team since his strengths and weaknesses are pronounced. If you need someone to roll, hit shorter jumpers, and rebound and score in the paint, and also dont have anyone else making money at the 4 and don’t need great strength, defense, or spacing from your 4, then yeah he could be great for you. But there’s not that many teams that fit that description (and the Jazz aren’t one of them).

Definitely not saying that ATL should or will attach a pick to dump him but we all know the situation is obviously not as simple as ‘he’s a young 20/10 all star.’ I think he’s quite good at his thing but that thing is less valuable at the moment in the NBA and it’s not obvious who would want him at his price.
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Post#16 » by JMaster5K » Tue Jan 17, 2023 7:13 pm

TheCage4 wrote:What is the Jazz’ obsession with Collins?


I think, the story obsession with Collins & Utah might be that he was born in Layton, UT. He was there for a few years as he grew up.
His family (Mom & Dad) were both in the military so moved around a bit. They moved to Florida sometime before high school. I seem to remember that he had an interview with a local station or paper in Utah saying he would love to come back as a player. I believe one or two of the 'national sportswriters' (I use those terms loosely) used that to say that he wanted to be traded to Utah. Pretty sure that wasn't exactly what he meant at the time,.. but 'sportswriters' have to write something. :D
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Post#17 » by Pickled Prunes » Tue Jan 17, 2023 7:20 pm

HotelVitale wrote:
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HotelVitale wrote:Yeah they seem to think he’s better than he’s showing now because of how he’s being used, and think he’s worth grabbing while his value is low. But I don’t think it’s necessarily to increase his trade value and plan to dump him later, which seems like both a risky and not super smooth team building idea given where they’re at now. (Also not an Ainge thing to do). Makes me wonder how he’d fit with Lauri if they want to make him their starter for a few years, not sure about that duo.

He is clearly better than he is currently showing. There is absolutely no reason ATL should be sending out a pick to get off of Collins' contract. He was averaging 20/10 with 58% 2pt and 40% 3pt when he was 21. He's only 25 now and the Trae show has him down to 10 FGA per game. Of course he's better than this.

We all know that stats-wise, sure, there is no doubt that he could be doing a lot more with a bigger role or on a rebuilding team. But it’s more complicated to determine his value on a good team since his strengths and weaknesses are pronounced. If you need someone to roll, hit shorter jumpers, and rebound and score in the paint, and also dont have anyone else making money at the 4 and don’t need great strength, defense, or spacing from your 4, then yeah he could be great for you. But there’s not that many teams that fit that description (and the Jazz aren’t one of them).

Definitely not saying that ATL should or will attach a pick to dump him but we all know the situation is obviously not as simple as ‘he’s a young 20/10 all star.’ I think he’s quite good at his thing but that thing is less valuable at the moment in the NBA and it’s not obvious who would want him at his price.

No spacing? That's silly! Up until this season, spacing is exactly what he brought.

In his first five seasons in the NBA Collins averaged 38% from 3pt and 56% overall. Even after his current rough stretch, his career 3pt% is better that Trae's career 3pt% of 35%. Collins' decline coincides with McMillan becoming the head coach and has been compounded by the addition of Murray. McMillan has always done a poor job of coaching to his players' strengths and is clearly staying up at night thinking about the Murray/Young combo and not giving anyone else much thought. All of ATL's veterans numbers are down since he took over. Collins has taken the biggest step back, but that might be because he's been in trade rumors for so long. Neither he nor the coaching staff expect him to be a part of the team... and we can see that on the court.

Collins has the wrong coach... and probably the wrong PG. He will look good in a new situation.

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