NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2022-23 (pt 2)

[Infinite Llamas]

Tatum will win an MVP at some point. I think it’s a given at this point.

[DCasey91]

Tonight's game is the prime example why Jokic is far from being MVP front runner this season and personally I don't have him in the MVP race at all. I don't care that he scored a game winning three, once again he was passive entire game , he took 11 shots and he refused to take the shots even against 3,4 inch's shorter players. In the third quarter he practically did nothing , yet he will get the high praises , how he was great facilitator etc. You can't be MVP candidate if you are deferring to your teammates. They were lucky they won this game but if this was the loss , this would have been another loss on Jokic this season. Where he wasn't aggressive and was playing alibi basketball, hiding behind his teammates. Its too bad, because he can dominate games when he wants to, but this season he's been way too inconsistent . He just don't want it this season, which is the shame.

?? Nash won back to back MVPs, Magic also won MVPs, so did Lebron??

He’s putting up 25ppg on stupid high efficiency. Poor take.

[CobraCommander]

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People that think Tatum out of MVP are delusional-

To me it’s jokic as the actual best player on earth -

It’s tatum is deserving as anyone not named jokic and is clearly the medias pick.

Giannis, Luka, Embiid, Ja and curry all if healthy can make claims of having an MVP year but I think the media says Tatum if it’s close and the stats say jokic because people call him passive on the same night he buries a game winner - lol

anyone else bury a game winner and all of forgiven - but not jokic

[CobraCommander]

He was the main reason why Orlando was lingering in the third quarter . He should have put them away, all he was doing in the third quarter was running up and down. At least in the first half he was facilitating , but in the third quarter he did nothing, it was the completely an empty quarter for him and there are plenty of the games this season for him like this one tonight. There isn't a single reason why he should have taken only 11 attempts in the game, when he's the best scorer on that team. He can score in every possible way, pick and roll and pop, driving the basketball, posting people up, shooting three's He's average should be 20 attempts per game. Scoring the ball is a very important part if you are aiming to win MVP award. The Suns last two seasons were playing a great basketball yet nobody was taking Chris Paul seriously as the MVP candidate.

Paul was being talked about but wasn't putting up anywhere near the numbers Jokic was last year or this year. Your trolling is delusional at a certain point. This wasn't the prettiest game by the Nugs, but a W is a W and Jokic hit the clutch game-winner. You seem to miss that a large part of his brilliance is how involved he gets his teammates and how he doesn't waste all of his efforts scoring in a game against the Magic. You watch Jokic wanting a different player and are disappointed when he isn't some sort of NBA2K Kobe clone. I assume you will never be happy rooting for the player Jokic actually is despite being a huge fan, which must be very unsatisfying and sad. Sorry, not sorry.

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If anyone else did this on a night with a triple double the board would be flooded with threads - all different threads about how crazy that game was and how he had to bail out his team against a lesser squad. Jokic actually takes a good step back three and calls GAME - lol

I hate that I love this guy… I grew up loving MJ, Magic, Bird, Lebron, Kobe type guys and this dude is legitimately NOT MY CUP oF TeA but he is the best guy since prime Lebron - or Prime Curry… this man is actually NEXT… sorry Giannis fans… but Giannis is squarely number 2 to jokic being the king -

[ShaqAttac]

Sabonis reminds me of shaq. I wonder if shaq could pass like him in todayss nba

[scrabbarista]

Bbref:

64.3% - Jokic
11.2% - Doncic
7.7% - Embiid
4.2% - Tatum
3.3% - Sabonis
3.1% - Durant
2.9% - Antetokounmpo
1.5% - Morant
1.0% - Mitchell
<1.0% - Gilgeous-Alexander

Is SGA suppose to be < 1% because >1% makes no sense

You are correct! It's less than 1%. I'll correct it. I think I got mixed up because his name was on one side, so I put the "greater" pointing the other way. Not saying that makes any sense whatsoever, but apparently my brain thought it did - just long enough for me to type it out wrong.

[Duke4life831]

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Oh god here we go again with Bisme derailing the MVP thread by bringing up Tatum...

But ya in all seriousness, Tatum is putting up a legit MVP worthy season. He has been ridiculous and he did this today without his #2.

I will say this, Jokic and Doncic better keep up their historical level of play and continue to win. Because if they slide at all, Tatum's case for MVP would be ridiculously easy to make.

[bisme37]

People that think Tatum out of MVP are delusional-

To me it’s jokic as the actual best player on earth -

It’s tatum is deserving as anyone not named jokic and is clearly the medias pick.

Giannis, Luka, Embiid, Ja and curry all if healthy can make claims of having an MVP year but I think the media says Tatum if it’s close and the stats say jokic because people call him passive on the same night he buries a game winner - lol

anyone else bury a game winner and all of forgiven - but not jokic

I have him 2nd right now myself.
Jokic
Tatum
Luka
Durant
Giannis
Embiid

Not mad or surprised if folks have Luka over him but I give JT the current edge because of team record and defensive impact. And I love Giannis but I don't know how he has more votes than Tatum in the poll.

I see people say he's only in the MVP discussion because of team success but that ignores that he's out there playing like an MVP. Controlling games, making his teammates better, taking over the offense when needed and just plain refusing to lose. And I see people say Brown and the rest of the team carry him somehow but the stats and eye test don't back that up. I guess this stuff sounds like it might be right if you don't watch him play but for those of us who do it's pretty frustrating.

He's been an iron man too and imo to win regular season MVP you have to embrace the grind of the RS and actually play. His biggest issue is just that Jokic is better than everyone else and the Nuggets are winning too lol.

[baksuzz]

Tatum will win an MVP at some point. I think it’s a given at this point.

i think its higher chance he does not win one not because he is not capable but the competition next few years is gonna be massive. Next 5 years you have Doncic, Jokic, Giannis in their prime years and all of them are still improving, there is guys like Mitchell, Embiid, possibly still Durant or Curry, and you also have a guy like Sabonis that is improving every year.

He has an advantage on most of those guys in the fact that Celtics probably have the best team in NBA and will have good record every year but who knows if Brown will want to sign a new contract instead of being a main guy on his new team

[Mickey8]

He could win this season. We don't know how the media will vote. My bet is Doncic but anything is possible.

[Wolfgang630]

Joker, Luka and Tatum are top 3.

[KGtabake]

Giannis missed 3rd straight. He has missed 9-10 games already. Injury or management or whatever 10 games out of 43 are quite a lot.
Can't run for MVP if he's not on the floor. Not top5 at the moment imo

[RipHamilton]

Tatum will win an MVP at some point. I think it’s a given at this point.

Who knows. Maybe not. He is an amazing player, but there are pretty good talent out there also. More dominant players.

He will be competing with prime Luka in the next 7 - 10 years. Plus Jokic + Giannis and Embiid have 3-5 years of prime yet, at least. And Wembanyama is coming. And Ja / Zion / Shai can have another step up to put them in first line. So, we never know.

But good try, Boston Celtics fans writing on the post when Tatum dropped 51 pts. But right now, he is the third/fourth option.

[RipHamilton]

Giannis missed 3rd straight. He has missed 9-10 games already. Injury or management or whatever 10 games out of 43 are quite a lot.
Can't run for MVP if he's not on the floor. Not top5 at the moment imo

I agree with that. He is missing too many games, and the Bucks, in general, are doing what the Warriors did last year, too much management. Which, I think, is great to win the ring, but not for the MVP.

[Infinite Llamas]

Tatum will win an MVP at some point. I think it’s a given at this point.

Who knows. Maybe not. He is an amazing player, but there are pretty good talent out there also. More dominant players.

He will be competing with prime Luka in the next 7 - 10 years. Plus Jokic + Giannis and Embiid have 3-5 years of prime yet, at least. And Wembanyama is coming. And Ja / Zion / Shai can have another step up to put them in first line. So, we never know.

But good try, Boston Celtics fans writing on the post when Tatum dropped 51 pts. But right now, he is the third/fourth option.

Lol I’m a C’s fan but one of the biggest Jokic fans you’ll find. I’m under no delusion that Tatum is the front runner this year…personally I wouldn’t mind if Jokic won the next 5 MVP’s lol.

…but all it would take is some 65 win Boston season and it might be enough to sway voters at some point. It would take laser focus for 82 games but Tatum is one of those tireless worker types and I’m not convinced we’ve seen the best of him yet. This has nothing to do with homerism either. I’m usually the first one critical of players on my team but Tatum has stepped his game up a level this year.

[RipHamilton]

Tatum will win an MVP at some point. I think it’s a given at this point.

Who knows. Maybe not. He is an amazing player, but there are pretty good talent out there also. More dominant players.

He will be competing with prime Luka in the next 7 - 10 years. Plus Jokic + Giannis and Embiid have 3-5 years of prime yet, at least. And Wembanyama is coming. And Ja / Zion / Shai can have another step up to put them in first line. So, we never know.

But good try, Boston Celtics fans writing on the post when Tatum dropped 51 pts. But right now, he is the third/fourth option.

Lol I’m a C’s fan but one of the biggest Jokic fans you’ll find. I’m under no delusion that Tatum is the front runner this year…personally I wouldn’t mind if Jokic won the next 5 MVP’s lol.

…but all it would take is some 65 win Boston season and it might be enough to sway voters at some point. It would take laser focus for 82 games but Tatum is one of those tireless worker types and I’m not convinced we’ve seen the best of him yet. This has nothing to do with homerism either. I’m usually the first one critical of players on my team but Tatum has stepped his game up a level this year.

I strongly agree that Tatum has stepped him game up. He is outstanding. And he will be better in the future. But I believe there is some outstanding talent out there that is also more dominant.

I think for Tatum to win it, Denver has to lose steam. Even if the Celtics get close to the 60-65 range, if Denver ends up with the first seed on the West and with something around 52 - 60 wins, it will be not enough for Tatum, as the narrative of Jokic and Denver being first will be superior.

I only see Tatum winning the MVP if Denver/Jokic are not in the first positions in the west, and Luka and the mavs also run out of energy, which I think it will happen (And I hope Kidd is smart, and make Luka rest, even if that makes Dallas fall to the 6-8 positions in the conference).

[Duke4life831]

Tatum will win an MVP at some point. I think it’s a given at this point.

i think its higher chance he does not win one not because he is not capable but the competition next few years is gonna be massive. Next 5 years you have Doncic, Jokic, Giannis in their prime years and all of them are still improving, there is guys like Mitchell, Embiid, possibly still Durant or Curry, and you also have a guy like Sabonis that is improving every year.

He has an advantage on most of those guys in the fact that Celtics probably have the best team in NBA and will have good record every year but who knows if Brown will want to sign a new contract instead of being a main guy on his new team

I dont think its all that crazy to predict that he will get one. First thing first, he has 2 things in his advantage.

1. Boston is a well built and run team and should be a top team going forward. So a good chance he will be on a winning team.
2. He doesnt get hurt. He has been very durable so far in his career.

Those two things alone, with the fact he is an elite 2 way player, he's going to be in the discussion most years. I mean hell, all it would take is for Jokic to slow down to just an elite level (not historic level) and for Denver to drop a couple seeds and for Dallas to slip a couple games and fall to like the 7th or 8th seed. If those things happen, Tatum is most likely going to win if he continues this level of play.

[CobraCommander]

People that think Tatum out of MVP are delusional-

To me it’s jokic as the actual best player on earth -

It’s tatum is deserving as anyone not named jokic and is clearly the medias pick.

Giannis, Luka, Embiid, Ja and curry all if healthy can make claims of having an MVP year but I think the media says Tatum if it’s close and the stats say jokic because people call him passive on the same night he buries a game winner - lol

anyone else bury a game winner and all of forgiven - but not jokic

I have him 2nd right now myself.
Jokic
Tatum
Luka
Durant
Giannis
Embiid

Not mad or surprised if folks have Luka over him but I give JT the current edge because of team record and defensive impact. And I love Giannis but I don't know how he has more votes than Tatum in the poll.

I see people say he's only in the MVP discussion because of team success but that ignores that he's out there playing like an MVP. Controlling games, making his teammates better, taking over the offense when needed and just plain refusing to lose. And I see people say Brown and the rest of the team carry him somehow but the stats and eye test don't back that up. I guess this stuff sounds like it might be right if you don't watch him play but for those of us who do it's pretty frustrating.

He's been an iron man too and imo to win regular season MVP you have to embrace the grind of the RS and actually play. His biggest issue is just that Jokic is better than everyone else and the Nuggets are winning too lol.

I don’t see anything wrong with your list....

But if someone had JT 5th I’d be ok with it if Jokic 1....
I’m also ok with Luka 5th if Jokic 1...
Ok with Giannis or anyone else 2-6...as long as Jokic 1.

Everyone else has a legit claim to the number 2 rank....but no one has a claim to 1 but Jokic

[CobraCommander]

Tatum will win an MVP at some point. I think it’s a given at this point.

i think its higher chance he does not win one not because he is not capable but the competition next few years is gonna be massive. Next 5 years you have Doncic, Jokic, Giannis in their prime years and all of them are still improving, there is guys like Mitchell, Embiid, possibly still Durant or Curry, and you also have a guy like Sabonis that is improving every year.

He has an advantage on most of those guys in the fact that Celtics probably have the best team in NBA and will have good record every year but who knows if Brown will want to sign a new contract instead of being a main guy on his new team

I dont think its all that crazy to predict that he will get one. First thing first, he has 2 things in his advantage.

1. Boston is a well built and run team and should be a top team going forward. So a good chance he will be on a winning team.
2. He doesnt get hurt. He has been very durable so far in his career.

Those two things alone, with the fact he is an elite 2 way player, he's going to be in the discussion most years. I mean hell, all it would take is for Jokic to slow down to just an elite level (not historic level) and for Denver to drop a couple seeds and for Dallas to slip a couple games and fall to like the 7th or 8th seed. If those things happen, Tatum is most likely going to win if he continues this level of play.

Add if Boston wins a ring....and he is the best 2 way player on that team? Come on...foregone conclusion at that point- plus Tatum is getting better too

[Bank Shot]

I have a hard time picturing Doncic winning when his team is on pace to finish 10-15 games behind the Nuggets. If it was a Devin Booker type on the top seed, then he'd have a shot, but you can't finish that far behind Jokic in the standings and win it. Joker feels like a good-sized favorite at the moment.