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Post#961 » by younggunsmn » Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:49 am

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younggunsmn wrote:Even if Lowry is cooked, Miami's front office is way too smart to add Russell to their roster, they would cut him before he ever spent a minute on the floor for Spoelstra.
There are at least a dozen other front offices I have that same feeling about, including Toronto.

This just isn’t true at all. Far worse players have played major minutes in Miami, over the years.


I stand by this, I can't think of a player more anti-heat culture than DeAngelo Russell, with a (deserved) rep for having problems with effort and discipline (especially defensively).

There are a lot of teams that feel adding him would be a net negative, all things considered.
I could be wrong, but that's my take on it.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition 

Post#962 » by younggunsmn » Sun Jan 15, 2023 6:01 am

shrink wrote:One last thought.

I’ve made it clear why I believe that we should trade DLo, Naz, and probably Nowell, because we are unlikely to bring them back, they are more valuable elsewhere, and we don’t want them to walk for nothing. However, if we trade away both DLo and Nowell, we don’t have a sixth man, offensive initiator left on the team. We’d want to get one back (Oladipo in the last trade), or we’d likely have to wait until the off-season and free agency. “That back up guy that wants to score” is an abundant type of player in the NBA, so filling that slot wouldn’t be hard, but we just don’t happen to have one if both DLo and Nowell are gone by the deadline. If we trade only one, then the other just adds the other’s responsibilities.


I don't think Naz and Nowell will have much value through the trade deadline, with more than half the season gone and with them both being unrestricted free agents. Naz has increased his value with his play this season. Nowell, not so much.
I don't think thats enough to get even a late 1st for either. A team would have to think Naz was the missing piece to a title run, or have a major injury at the 5.

I do think that Naz in particular may have value in a Sign and Trade in the summer.
Base year compensation will complicate this, but he has certainly played his way into the MLE+ salary range, and a team with Tax concerns may find value in using the S+T avenue to sign him while sending some salary back, perhaps even a useful player at a position we are weak at (PG).
There is the risk he walks for nothing, but if we are serious about making the playoffs keeping him is worth way more than the 2nd round pick he would likely fetch right now.
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Re: Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition 

Post#963 » by Domejandro » Sun Jan 15, 2023 7:23 am

younggunsmn wrote:
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younggunsmn wrote:Even if Lowry is cooked, Miami's front office is way too smart to add Russell to their roster, they would cut him before he ever spent a minute on the floor for Spoelstra.
There are at least a dozen other front offices I have that same feeling about, including Toronto.

This just isn’t true at all. Far worse players have played major minutes in Miami, over the years.


I stand by this, I can't think of a player more anti-heat culture than DeAngelo Russell, with a (deserved) rep for having problems with effort and discipline (especially defensively).

There are a lot of teams that feel adding him would be a net negative, all things considered.
I could be wrong, but that's my take on it.

Kendrick Nunn played two seasons at around 30 minutes per game (feel free to look into his history).

Dion Waiters had two years of 25 and 30 minutes per game.

Tyler Herro and Duncan Robinson both have their defensive woes and have been prominent players (Herro has improved both behaviourally and defensively).

Wayne Ellington (who I like) was a defensive sieve and played tons of minutes.

Probably other names, but those are the ones I remember off-hand.


Disliking D'Angelo Russell is fine, but it feels like people get lost in the sauce, when discussing his impact.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition 

Post#964 » by shrink » Sun Jan 15, 2023 3:00 pm

I’m trying to put a list together of potential DLo trade partners and rough valuation. None feel like even 15% likely destinations.

MIN - sign him to a big one-year extension?
MIA - something around Lowry (plus?)
CHA - something around Gordon Hayward plus
WAS - Monte Morris, Delon Wright, ??
NYK - maybe Rose + Fournier + pick .. though needs a third team. NYK doesn’t need payroll relief.
LAC - lots of pieces possible
DAL - support for Luka?
PHX - maybe Chris Paul is he is half-cooked, pair with BFF Booker
TOR - part of VanVleet deal if he isn’t coming back?
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ORL
CHI
UTA

Anyone that should clearly be added? Removed?
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Post#965 » by wolves_89 » Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:13 pm

shrink wrote:I’m trying to put a list together of potential DLo trade partners and rough valuation. None feel like even 15% likely destinations.

MIN - sign him to a big one-year extension?
MIA - something around Lowry (plus?)
CHA - something around Gordon Hayward plus
WAS - Monte Morris, Delon Wright, ??
NYK - maybe Rose + Fournier + pick .. though needs a third team. NYK doesn’t need payroll relief.
LAC - lots of pieces possible
DAL - support for Luka?
PHX - maybe Chris Paul is he is half-cooked, pair with BFF Booker
TOR - part of VanVleet deal if he isn’t coming back?

Anyone that should clearly be added? Removed?


I'd add ORL, they have one of the worst guard rotations in the NBA and a number of guys who could be available to match salary (Isaac, Fultz, Harris, Ross). An Isaac+Harris for DLO deal would be at least a little interesting.

Another team that could have a small chance of being a trade partner would be CHI. I could see them trying to bolster the roster to make one last run with their current group. The deal would likely have to be Ball plus some additional salary.

I'm not sure the Wolves would be all that excited by either option, but there could be a 5% chance of something coming together.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition 

Post#966 » by TimberKat » Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:33 pm

shrink wrote:I’m trying to put a list together of potential DLo trade partners and rough valuation. None feel like even 15% likely destinations.

MIN - sign him to a big one-year extension?
MIA - something around Lowry (plus?)
CHA - something around Gordon Hayward plus
WAS - Monte Morris, Delon Wright, ??
NYK - maybe Rose + Fournier + pick .. though needs a third team. NYK doesn’t need payroll relief.
LAC - lots of pieces possible
DAL - support for Luka?
PHX - maybe Chris Paul is he is half-cooked, pair with BFF Booker
TOR - part of VanVleet deal if he isn’t coming back?

Anyone that should clearly be added? Removed?

DLo for Hayward, Lowry, or Fournier feels like real possibilities. How about PHX - DLo for Crowder+Dario+Shamet?

Maybe add some non-playoff teams that is willing to take salary + picks ?
HOU - DLo + Minott + 2nd for Eric Gordon + stuff?
UTA - DLo + Minott + 2nd for Conley + THT
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition 

Post#967 » by BlacJacMac » Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:46 pm

wolves_89 wrote:
shrink wrote:I’m trying to put a list together of potential DLo trade partners and rough valuation. None feel like even 15% likely destinations.

MIN - sign him to a big one-year extension?
MIA - something around Lowry (plus?)
CHA - something around Gordon Hayward plus
WAS - Monte Morris, Delon Wright, ??
NYK - maybe Rose + Fournier + pick .. though needs a third team. NYK doesn’t need payroll relief.
LAC - lots of pieces possible
DAL - support for Luka?
PHX - maybe Chris Paul is he is half-cooked, pair with BFF Booker
TOR - part of VanVleet deal if he isn’t coming back?

Anyone that should clearly be added? Removed?


I'd add ORL, they have one of the worst guard rotations in the NBA and a number of guys who could be available to match salary (Isaac, Fultz, Harris, Ross). An Isaac+Harris for DLO deal would be at least a little interesting.

Another team that could have a small chance of being a trade partner would be CHI. I could see them trying to bolster the roster to make one last run with their current group. The deal would likely have to be Ball plus some additional salary.

I'm not sure the Wolves would be all that excited by either option, but there could be a 5% chance of something coming together.


If Ball was healthy, he'd be an ideal guy for this squad. Terrific defender, passer and rebounder. Hasn't shot below 38% from 3 on high volume his past 3 seasons.

But will he ever play again? And if so, will he be the same guy?

Hasn't played in a game since 1 year ago yesterday.

He still can’t jump or run at full speed after two arthroscopic surgeries to address a torn MCL in his left knee. Ball has not been pain-free since that game against the Warriors. And halfway through his second season in Chicago, the Bulls are no closer to determining when — or if — Ball will return to the court this season.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/bulls/ct-chicago-bulls-lonzo-ball-knee-injury-20230114-5u4tywdx4nbvtpa7apatzhjzhi-story.html
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition 

Post#968 » by Danimals » Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:48 pm

This list is a good list of possibilities. What is a list of our needs? We won’t fill them all in a Dlo trade, but good to keep them in mind.

Better fitting vet PG
Young PG to develop for the long term
More consistent 6th man
More depth at wing and forward
More steadying vets
More cost controlled players
Maintain the salary slot for future trades
Maintain space to use the MLE
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Steph Curry—————Ricky
Michael Jordan———Ant
Lebron James————KG
Kevin Garnett————Love
Nikola Jokic—————KAT
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition 

Post#969 » by wolves_89 » Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:52 pm

BlacJacMac wrote:
wolves_89 wrote:
shrink wrote:I’m trying to put a list together of potential DLo trade partners and rough valuation. None feel like even 15% likely destinations.

MIN - sign him to a big one-year extension?
MIA - something around Lowry (plus?)
CHA - something around Gordon Hayward plus
WAS - Monte Morris, Delon Wright, ??
NYK - maybe Rose + Fournier + pick .. though needs a third team. NYK doesn’t need payroll relief.
LAC - lots of pieces possible
DAL - support for Luka?
PHX - maybe Chris Paul is he is half-cooked, pair with BFF Booker
TOR - part of VanVleet deal if he isn’t coming back?

Anyone that should clearly be added? Removed?


I'd add ORL, they have one of the worst guard rotations in the NBA and a number of guys who could be available to match salary (Isaac, Fultz, Harris, Ross). An Isaac+Harris for DLO deal would be at least a little interesting.

Another team that could have a small chance of being a trade partner would be CHI. I could see them trying to bolster the roster to make one last run with their current group. The deal would likely have to be Ball plus some additional salary.

I'm not sure the Wolves would be all that excited by either option, but there could be a 5% chance of something coming together.


If Ball was healthy, he'd be an ideal guy for this squad. Terrific defender, passer and rebounder. Hasn't shot below 38% from 3 on high volume his past 3 seasons.

But will he ever play again? And if so, will he be the same guy?

Hasn't played in a game since 1 year ago yesterday.

He still can’t jump or run at full speed after two arthroscopic surgeries to address a torn MCL in his left knee. Ball has not been pain-free since that game against the Warriors. And halfway through his second season in Chicago, the Bulls are no closer to determining when — or if — Ball will return to the court this season.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/bulls/ct-chicago-bulls-lonzo-ball-knee-injury-20230114-5u4tywdx4nbvtpa7apatzhjzhi-story.html


The only reason Ball would be available is because of his health uncertainty. I'm not sure the Wolves would be willing to take on the level of risk that Ball brings, but it would be a swing for the fences type of move. I think the end result would either be a clear homerun or a complete disaster.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition 

Post#970 » by BlacJacMac » Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:59 pm

wolves_89 wrote:
BlacJacMac wrote:
wolves_89 wrote:
I'd add ORL, they have one of the worst guard rotations in the NBA and a number of guys who could be available to match salary (Isaac, Fultz, Harris, Ross). An Isaac+Harris for DLO deal would be at least a little interesting.

Another team that could have a small chance of being a trade partner would be CHI. I could see them trying to bolster the roster to make one last run with their current group. The deal would likely have to be Ball plus some additional salary.

I'm not sure the Wolves would be all that excited by either option, but there could be a 5% chance of something coming together.


If Ball was healthy, he'd be an ideal guy for this squad. Terrific defender, passer and rebounder. Hasn't shot below 38% from 3 on high volume his past 3 seasons.

But will he ever play again? And if so, will he be the same guy?

Hasn't played in a game since 1 year ago yesterday.

He still can’t jump or run at full speed after two arthroscopic surgeries to address a torn MCL in his left knee. Ball has not been pain-free since that game against the Warriors. And halfway through his second season in Chicago, the Bulls are no closer to determining when — or if — Ball will return to the court this season.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/bulls/ct-chicago-bulls-lonzo-ball-knee-injury-20230114-5u4tywdx4nbvtpa7apatzhjzhi-story.html


The only reason Ball would be available is because of his health uncertainty. I'm not sure the Wolves would be willing to take on the level of risk that Ball brings, but it would be a swing for the fences type of move. I think the end result would either be a clear homerun or a complete disaster.


I'd probably do it. His 20 and 21M due the next 2 years are a bargain if he can play. If not, hopefully you can move him strictly as an expiring salary dump in 2 year.
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Post#971 » by shrink » Tue Jan 17, 2023 7:56 am

To spark DLo trade ideas, I took a look at questionable contracts between $10-$25 mil, but lasting only one additional year. I’m thinking a format of DLo for $10+ mil of bad salary, plus $6-$10 mil of a value contract. This could be an expiring and a pick, and this piece would be traded to a third team for a defensive guard. Looking down the list, I saw

$31.5 Gordon Hayward
$29.7 Kyle Lowry
$24.4 Mike Conley
$20.9 Eric Gordon
$19.9 Joe Harris
$19.3 Buddy Hield
$18.9 Evan Fournier
$18.8 Gary Trent Jr
$17.1 Marcus Morris
$13.8 Doug McDermott
$13.0 Gary Harris
$12.2 Kelly Olynyk
$11.7 Nic Batum
$11.7 Robert Covington
$11.0 Talen-Horton Tucker
$10.5 Alec Burkes

Any ideas?
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Post#972 » by minimus » Tue Jan 17, 2023 11:59 am

shrink wrote:To spark DLo trade ideas, I took a look at questionable contracts between $10-$25 mil, but lasting only one additional year. I’m thinking a format of DLo for $10+ mil of bad salary, plus $6-$10 mil of a value contract. This could be an expiring and a pick, and this piece would be traded to a third team for a defensive guard. Looking down the list, I saw

$31.5 Gordon Hayward
$29.7 Kyle Lowry
$24.4 Mike Conley
$20.9 Eric Gordon
$19.9 Joe Harris
$19.3 Buddy Hield
$18.9 Evan Fournier
$18.8 Gary Trent Jr
$17.1 Marcus Morris
$13.8 Doug McDermott
$13.0 Gary Harris
$12.2 Kelly Olynyk
$11.7 Nic Batum
$11.7 Robert Covington
$11.0 Talen-Horton Tucker
$10.5 Alec Burkes

Any ideas?


Would you trade DLo, Reid and Nowell for McDermott (bad contract), Josh Richardson (another TP type of player who can revive his career?), Tre Jones (MIN native, true PG, excellent defender, bad offensive player)?

Gobert/Towns/Knight + Garza
Towns/Anderson + Minott
MCD/TP/McDermott + Ryan
Edwards/Richardson/Moore + Forbes
Jones/Rivers/JMac
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Post#973 » by shrink » Tue Jan 17, 2023 2:05 pm

minimus wrote:
shrink wrote:To spark DLo trade ideas, I took a look at questionable contracts between $10-$25 mil, but lasting only one additional year. I’m thinking a format of DLo for $10+ mil of bad salary, plus $6-$10 mil of a value contract. This could be an expiring and a pick, and this piece would be traded to a third team for a defensive guard. Looking down the list, I saw

$31.5 Gordon Hayward
$29.7 Kyle Lowry
$24.4 Mike Conley
$20.9 Eric Gordon
$19.9 Joe Harris
$19.3 Buddy Hield
$18.9 Evan Fournier
$18.8 Gary Trent Jr
$17.1 Marcus Morris
$13.8 Doug McDermott
$13.0 Gary Harris
$12.2 Kelly Olynyk
$11.7 Nic Batum
$11.7 Robert Covington
$11.0 Talen-Horton Tucker
$10.5 Alec Burkes

Any ideas?


Would you trade DLo, Reid and Nowell for McDermott (bad contract), Josh Richardson (another TP type of player who can revive his career?), Tre Jones (MIN native, true PG, excellent defender, bad offensive player)?

Gobert/Towns/Knight + Garza
Towns/Anderson + Minott
MCD/TP/McDermott + Ryan
Edwards/Richardson/Moore + Forbes
Jones/Rivers/JMac

I’d love that, and Tre Jones would be one of my top five trade targets! I wish I could get more info about the Spurs though from the Trade Board, but their most prolific poster swears McDermott is a good contract, and believes that they have all the cap space they want, and more (to get assets by trading it) isn’t better. But I love your trade.
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Post#974 » by minimus » Tue Jan 17, 2023 2:47 pm

shrink wrote:
minimus wrote:Would you trade DLo, Reid and Nowell for McDermott (bad contract), Josh Richardson (another TP type of player who can revive his career?), Tre Jones (MIN native, true PG, excellent defender, bad offensive player)?

Gobert/Towns/Knight + Garza
Towns/Anderson + Minott
MCD/TP/McDermott + Ryan
Edwards/Richardson/Moore + Forbes
Jones/Rivers/JMac

I’d love that, and Tre Jones would be one of my top five trade targets! I wish I could get more info about the Spurs though from the Trade Board, but their most prolific poster swears McDermott is a good contract, and believes that they have all the cap space they want, and more (to get assets by trading it) isn’t better. But I love your trade.


I am kind of disappointed by Trade Board ideas. Most of trade ideas are extremely biased. In my opinion McDermott is not a good contract, but what I know. I love Tre Jones but I have seen some stats about him that tell how limited he is in offense. However, if he can follow Tyus development path (improve 3pt shooting, add floater etc) he can be an impactful NBA PG.
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Post#975 » by shrink » Tue Jan 17, 2023 4:27 pm

minimus wrote:
shrink wrote:
minimus wrote:Would you trade DLo, Reid and Nowell for McDermott (bad contract), Josh Richardson (another TP type of player who can revive his career?), Tre Jones (MIN native, true PG, excellent defender, bad offensive player)?

Gobert/Towns/Knight + Garza
Towns/Anderson + Minott
MCD/TP/McDermott + Ryan
Edwards/Richardson/Moore + Forbes
Jones/Rivers/JMac

I’d love that, and Tre Jones would be one of my top five trade targets! I wish I could get more info about the Spurs though from the Trade Board, but their most prolific poster swears McDermott is a good contract, and believes that they have all the cap space they want, and more (to get assets by trading it) isn’t better. But I love your trade.


I am kind of disappointed by Trade Board ideas. Most of trade ideas are extremely biased. In my opinion McDermott is not a good contract, but what I know. I love Tre Jones but I have seen some stats about him that tell how limited he is in offense. However, if he can follow Tyus development path (improve 3pt shooting, add floater etc) he can be an impactful NBA PG.

That’s how I see this trade, and the Trade Board too.

When I first joined RealGM, and numbers were smaller, the Trade Board was amazing. The culture was that everyone left their fandom at the door. That was a huge strength, because it allowed two groups to come together - locals that understood their team minutae, and overall NBA fans, who could provide big picture thinking and call out homer takes. In those days, posters proposed trades, and we all worked collaboratively to try to come up with the best possible iteration that helped each team the most. People would point out the strengths and weaknesses of a trade, and offer solutions and tweaks that would improve it, so at the end of the thread, we had created the best possible deal.

These days, things are very different. There are still some really great posters, but they are drowned out by the fan-posters. Team bias runs rampant, and many just come there to tell people their trade sucks. Rarely do posters make suggestions to improve trades. There is a creeping problem among some posters that whine that everyone else is biased against their team, if we don’t value their players as highly as they do. Finally, some posters deliberately talk up their own players, dishonestly promoting them like they are a used car dealer or the actual GM of the team. If you go to their local boards, where local fans may call them on it, they give a more reasonable valuation. There are entire teams that I avoid making trades with, trades that national fans might want to see, simply because I don’t want to listen to their 1-2 posters that behave this way.

I will continue to go to the Trade Board, hoping to read the ideas and analysis of the best posters, and contribute what I can. Lately, I’ve found less time to follow the NBA as a whole, so I mainly try to give my opinion and local insight about the Wolves, hoping it will help others. When I’m curious about a trade, I have been drifting more and more to each team’s forum individual Trade Threads. You still have to wade through a lot of garbage, from fan poster extremists who are too high or too low on their personal heroes/scapegoats, and you have to listen to people who don’t understand what a legal trade is under the CBA. But I recognize several of the best trade posters from the past staying there, and not bothering with the Trades & Transactions board. That’s a shame, because it used to be the best place for these people to meet and work together.
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Post#976 » by moss_is_1 » Tue Jan 17, 2023 4:40 pm

minimus wrote:Would you trade DLo, Reid and Nowell for McDermott (bad contract), Josh Richardson (another TP type of player who can revive his career?), Tre Jones (MIN native, true PG, excellent defender, bad offensive player)?

Gobert/Towns/Knight + Garza
Towns/Anderson + Minott
MCD/TP/McDermott + Ryan
Edwards/Richardson/Moore + Forbes
Jones/Rivers/JMac

Absolutely. I'd try to flip Richardson for another big or PG, or waive Forbes and sign someone. I think this would create us about 7.5m TPE as well? We'd have a 4.3m from Vando and this one to try and add a player later.
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Post#977 » by NebWolvesFan » Tue Jan 17, 2023 4:44 pm

The craziest thing is Minnesota fans are so down on Russell that their is little bias. I'm probably going to get roasted for saying this but Russell is way better than we think. He's also shooting a career high - I give Rudy's screens credit for that - and playing well this season. If he wasn't going to be a UFA I wouldn't think he's still on the trading block. But he is going to be a free agent and it doesn't sound like TC is a big fan or his or that the new front office made him any respectable offers or offers period in the offseason, so I don't see DLo doing any hometown discounts.

I honestly believe fans will be surprised at what Minnesota gets for Russell and I could see him being the next - after Love and Wiggins - to win a championship in a different role. Maybe in Miami as a back-up PG.
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Post#978 » by shrink » Tue Jan 17, 2023 4:51 pm

NebWolvesFan wrote:The craziest thing is Minnesota fans are so down on Russell that their is little bias. I'm probably going to get roasted for saying this but Russell is way better than we think.

I agree. This may shock you, coming from an accused DLo-hater, but over on the Trade Board I thought the “DLo Sucks” crowd has overwhelmed anyone actually looking at his stats, and posted them alongside guys like VanVleet, Conley, and Lowry, to show that they were too down on him.

I don’t like DLo’s flaws, but he is smart, wants to help younger players, is a very good shooter and scorer, and a decent passer. I think that gets lost because people focus on his high salary (hey- it’s not his fault someone offered him a max deal) and his lack of defensive effort (which is better this year). I want people to see DLo for what he is, the bad AND the good, so they can talk about him realistically
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Post#979 » by JeffReal » Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:26 pm

About McDermott, whether his contract is bad depends on what you look at. He was a starter for the Spurs all last season. As a starter, his 13.75M was not out of line. At least, I wouldn’t say so, in the modern NBA.

In his personal history, McDermott has mostly been a bench player, tho, and he is now coming off the bench for the Spurs. His contract is high for a bench player, in my judgment.

But then, if you look at the really bad “gunner” contracts - Duncan Robinson, Davis Bertans - McD’s price doesn’t look bad at all, in comparison. Everything is relative, I guess.

So… what would you want him to do? Only used as a gunner, coming off the bench, playing limited minutes, or more than that?
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Post#980 » by shrink » Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:30 pm

JeffReal wrote:About McDermott, whether his contract is bad depends on what you look at. He was a starter for the Spurs all last season. As a starter, his 13.75M was not out of line. At least, I wouldn’t say so, in the modern NBA.

In his personal history, McDermott has mostly been a bench player, tho, and he is now coming off the bench for the Spurs. His contract is high for a bench player, in my judgment.

But then, if you look at the really bad “gunner” contracts - Duncan Robinson, Davis Bertans - McD’s price doesn’t look bad at all, in comparison. Everything is relative, I guess.

So… what would you want him to do? Only used as a gunner, coming off the bench, playing limited minutes, or more than that?

He’s mainly just filler here. Certainly not starting, and may get DNP-CD’s.

He’s slow and a very poor defender. Here, he’s a bigger Bryn Forbes, or a smarter Matt Ryan. I wish he was the Mike Miller- archetype, but he isn’t. A MIN deal is just to clear his negative salary off the Spurs books and turn it into additional cap space for your GM to sell like Presti, not because we want McDermott.

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