NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2022-23 (pt 2)

[City of Trees]

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[baksuzz]

the fact that back to back MVP winner who is having even better season averaging triple double on a 62% fg is not considered as a lock to win the MVP just shows how ridiculously good top players are this year

[Ryoga Hibiki]

the fact that back to back MVP winner who is having even better season averaging triple double on a 62% fg is not considered as a lock to win the MVP just shows how ridiculously good top players are this year

to be honest, I suspect that the only reason why he's not a lock is that he's the 2 time MVP.

[AleksandarN]

Jerry West on Jokic

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[Peregrine01]

the fact that back to back MVP winner who is having even better season averaging triple double on a 62% fg is not considered as a lock to win the MVP just shows how ridiculously good top players are this year

to be honest, I suspect that the only reason why he's not a lock is that he's the 2 time MVP.

Pretty much it. If he had never won MVP, he'd be the far away favorite.

[Mavrelous]

I have a hard time picturing Doncic winning when his team is on pace to finish 10-15 games behind the Nuggets. If it was a Devin Booker type on the top seed, then he'd have a shot, but you can't finish that far behind Jokic in the standings and win it. Joker feels like a good-sized favorite at the moment.

He's 7 games behind now, I doubt the gap will be above 10, last year he was 4 games below Luka and won it.
I agree Jokic is a favorite to win, but with a strong finish Luka can win it, and I won't count the best player in the best team in Tatum, if Celtics finish with 60 wins, and Tatum continues to be 31/8/4 player, many will pick him.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

One thing to say is that on/off numbers of Jokic are partially skewed by Malone's rotation patterns, there's too much co-linearity there: 935 out of his 1202 minutes have been with both Caldwell-Pope and Gordon.

[liquidswords]

I have a hard time picturing Doncic winning when his team is on pace to finish 10-15 games behind the Nuggets. If it was a Devin Booker type on the top seed, then he'd have a shot, but you can't finish that far behind Jokic in the standings and win it. Joker feels like a good-sized favorite at the moment.

He's 7 games behind now, I doubt the gap will be above 10, last year he was 4 games below Luka and won it.
I agree Jokic is a favorite to win, but with a strong finish Luka can win it, and I won't count the best player in the best team in Tatum, if Celtics finish with 60 wins, and Tatum continues to be 31/8/4 player, many will pick him.

This is definitely how the national media thinks and its lazy to be honest - best player on best team shouldn't win it unless numbers are godly.

[BelgradeNugget]

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I don't know is this correct, help from other teams fans.
I know Luka, Joel, Steph hit some game winning shots lately. To be clear it is only about game winning shots in this tweet although game tying shots are as important.

[DCasey91]

One thing to say is that on/off numbers of Jokic are partially skewed by Malone's rotation patterns, there's too much co-linearity there: 935 out of his 1202 minutes have been with both Caldwell-Pope and Gordon.

Starters play together? Isn’t that just normal for all players in a 5 man unit? I don’t see it as skewed

Curry for example has a huge buffer with Green +14 and +3 when Green isn’t there but they’ve basically played their careers together

Nuggets offence and defence have plummeted each of the last 3 seasons whenever he sits and it’s been the same this year.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

One thing to say is that on/off numbers of Jokic are partially skewed by Malone's rotation patterns, there's too much co-linearity there: 935 out of his 1202 minutes have been with both Caldwell-Pope and Gordon.

Starters play together? Isn’t that just normal for all players in a 5 man unit? I don’t see it as skewed

Curry for example has a huge buffer with Green +14 and +3 when Green isn’t there but they’ve basically played their careers together

Nuggets offence and defence have plummeted each of the last 3 seasons whenever he sits and it’s been the same this year.

On-off Denver players:
KCP +21.5
Jokic +20.9
Gordon +17.3
co linearity is known to be one of the biggest issues in all this wowy stats.

[jokeboy86]

Giannis missed 3rd straight. He has missed 9-10 games already. Injury or management or whatever 10 games out of 43 are quite a lot.
Can't run for MVP if he's not on the floor. Not top5 at the moment imo

Giannis isn't winning MVP this year and at some point he's going to have to learn to not play at one speed all the time because it's simply not sustainable as you age. My fear at this point is that he suffers a really bad knee injury and it zaps some of his explosiveness which would be a huge problem because his offensive fundamentals are still a work in progress even now.

[ITYSL]

This is definitely how the national media thinks and its lazy to be honest - best player on best team shouldn't win it unless numbers are godly.

There's not much evidence that this is how the national media thinks. The Nuggets were not the best team the last two seasons, but Jokic won MVP. The Bucks were the previous two seasons but Giannis was a legit MVP candidate. When is the last time someone was voted MVP largely because they were the best player on the best team, rather than being a legit MVP candidate?

[duppyy]

Best part about jokic is he makes out of shape guys like myself feel like we can do the things he does cause he makes it look so easy and effortless.

[liquidswords]

This is definitely how the national media thinks and its lazy to be honest - best player on best team shouldn't win it unless numbers are godly.

There's not much evidence that this is how the national media thinks. The Nuggets were not the best team the last two seasons, but Jokic won MVP. The Bucks were the previous two seasons but Giannis was a legit MVP candidate. When is the last time someone was voted MVP largely because they were the best player on the best team, rather than being a legit MVP candidate?

Is that a serious question? The Bucks were #1 in the East both of Giannis's MVP years, Rockets were #1 in West during Harden's MVP year, same with Steph's 2nd MVP. That's just recent history. And there have been talk tracks by analysts around giving Tatum the MVP because he's the best player on the best team. Its like a default for ESPN.

Also, the game has changed. Tatum's numbers, albeit great, are pedestrian compared to what Luka, Jokic and Embiid are putting up. That's the unfortunate part. I think Brown's emergence as one of, if not, the best #2 in the league hurts Tatum as well.

[Feed Your Head]

Since we’re talking MVP, and not just best overall player, I think all the advanced wins added stats should hold a fair amount of weight. I think most would say being out there more makes you extra valuable, can’t imagine much pushback there. Plus guys who are out there more often are playing less fresh, obviously.

DPM is really good, but doesn’t have a wins added stat.

EPM wins added
Luka 10.2
Jokic 10
Tatum 10
KD 9.4
Embiid 7.9
Giannis 6.5

LEBRON wins added.
Luka 7.7
Jokic 7.3
Tatum 7.1
KD 5.7
Embiid 5.2
Giannis 4.9

VORP
Jokic 4.8
Luka 4.6
Durant 3.2
Tatum 3.1
Embiid 3
Giannis 2.7

RPM
Tatum 13.7
Luka 12.7
Jokic 10.2
Embiid 8.3
Giannis 7.8
Durant 7.5

[ITYSL]

This is definitely how the national media thinks and its lazy to be honest - best player on best team shouldn't win it unless numbers are godly.

There's not much evidence that this is how the national media thinks. The Nuggets were not the best team the last two seasons, but Jokic won MVP. The Bucks were the previous two seasons but Giannis was a legit MVP candidate. When is the last time someone was voted MVP largely because they were the best player on the best team, rather than being a legit MVP candidate?

Is that a serious question? The Bucks were #1 in the East both of Giannis's MVP years, Rockets were #1 in West during Harden's MVP year, same with Steph's 2nd MVP. That's just recent history. And there have been talk tracks by analysts around giving Tatum the MVP because he's the best player on the best team. Its like a default for ESPN.

Also, the game has changed. Tatum's numbers, albeit great, are pedestrian compared to what Luka, Jokic and Embiid are putting up. That's the unfortunate part. I think Brown's emergence as one of, if not, the best #2 in the league hurts Tatum as well.

Did you not understand my question? When was the last time an MVP won largely because he was the best player on the best team, and NOT because he was a legit MVP candidate?

[GeorgeSears]

New update for my list:

1. Tatum
2. Jokic
3. Luka

Luka dropped two spots. Two reasons: the Mavs are playing poorly and so is he. Tatum is playing really well, Jokic gonna Jokic.

[Inspektor1312]

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I don't know is this correct, help from other teams fans.
I know Luka, Joel, Steph hit some game winning shots lately. To be clear it is only about game winning shots in this tweet although game tying shots are as important.

He also had 4 game-winning assists in the same period, plus 3 game-winning blocks last season alone.
He really is clutch af

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[Cubbies2120]

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I don't know is this correct, help from other teams fans.
I know Luka, Joel, Steph hit some game winning shots lately. To be clear it is only about game winning shots in this tweet although game tying shots are as important.

He also had 4 game-winning assists in the same period, plus 3 game-winning blocks last season alone.
He really is clutch af

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Mickey: "Yeah but he didn't make the pass to MPJ, selfish, bad decision maker"