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Should Magic turn to 2023 NBA Draft to fix our guard play?

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Re: Should Magic turn to 2023 NBA Draft to fix our guard play? 

Post#61 » by Husky1 » Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:26 am

Yeah I reckon we could come out of draft with 2 of Scoot, George, Smith Jr or Miller. That Is the dream. I am still keen on FVV, would make a huge difference having that steady head at PG while our draft picks develop. Then trade our future first plus Denver pick for another Vet.
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Re: Magic's Guard Play and Season at a crossroad! 

Post#62 » by SOUL » Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:27 am

MasterGMer wrote:What about Scoot Henderson or Cam Whitmore to add to our young core, even as a rookie they could not only be among the rotation but also make an impact. Plus the high ceiling and low cost to give us more flexibility and future price of roster management


Scoot is probably a no brainer especially at #2.. trading for him we'd have to give up too much I think.

But yeah, I think a rookie can be useful, just not that entirely helpful to winning. Paolo's play has been great for a rookie but still doesn't affect the game that much in terms of advanced stuff.

I'd ship a pick, add a rookie, and also try to acquire a vet.
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Re: Should Magic turn to 2023 NBA Draft to fix our guard play? 

Post#63 » by fendilim » Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:29 am

Husky1 wrote:Yeah I reckon we could come out of draft with 2 of Scoot, George, Smith Jr or Miller. That Is the dream. I am still keen on FVV, would make a huge difference having that steady head at PG while our draft picks develop. Then trade our future first plus Denver pick for another Vet.

I dont really think we’d go with 2 lottery rookies next year.

Most likely one if not both of those picks will be part of a consolidation move.
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Re: Should Magic turn to 2023 NBA Draft to fix our guard play? 

Post#64 » by Husky1 » Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:36 am

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Husky1 wrote:Yeah I reckon we could come out of draft with 2 of Scoot, George, Smith Jr or Miller. That Is the dream. I am still keen on FVV, would make a huge difference having that steady head at PG while our draft picks develop. Then trade our future first plus Denver pick for another Vet.

I dont really think we’d go with 2 lottery rookies next year.

Most likely one if not both of those picks will be part of a consolidation move.

With these two great picks in a loaded draft we would be stupid not to.
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Re: Should Magic turn to 2023 NBA Draft to fix our guard play? 

Post#65 » by fendilim » Wed Jan 18, 2023 5:52 am

Husky1 wrote:
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Husky1 wrote:Yeah I reckon we could come out of draft with 2 of Scoot, George, Smith Jr or Miller. That Is the dream. I am still keen on FVV, would make a huge difference having that steady head at PG while our draft picks develop. Then trade our future first plus Denver pick for another Vet.

I dont really think we’d go with 2 lottery rookies next year.

Most likely one if not both of those picks will be part of a consolidation move.

With these two great picks in a loaded draft we would be stupid not to.

If someone like SGA is available for both those pick, we would be stupid not to.
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Re: Should Magic turn to 2023 NBA Draft to fix our guard play? 

Post#66 » by Skybox » Wed Jan 18, 2023 12:43 pm

I'm not seeing the "loaded draft" that others are. I may be wrong and, of course, there will be good players, but outside of the top 2- it looks like a crapshoot to me...it's still early, maybe more clarity will develop. I'm just tired of, year after year, hearing how some 18 year old scoring inefficiently against other, lesser 18 year olds "projects" to learn to shoot against pros. Once the lottery determines whether Scoot is in our range, I'm hoping they hit the phones with one or both picks.
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Re: Should Magic turn to 2023 NBA Draft to fix our guard play? 

Post#67 » by JoshuaPotter » Wed Jan 18, 2023 2:15 pm

Skybox wrote:I'm not seeing the "loaded draft" that others are. I may be wrong and, of course, there will be good players, but outside of the top 2- it looks like a crapshoot to me...it's still early, maybe more clarity will develop. I'm just tired of, year after year, hearing how some 18 year old scoring inefficiently against other, lesser 18 year olds "projects" to learn to shoot against pros. Once the lottery determines whether Scoot is in our range, I'm hoping they hit the phones with one or both picks.


To interject....

It is either a loaded draft and our picks have value hence we hit the phones and get value back.

Or you are correct, and tons of other GMs feel the same way. Thus we are stuck with two picks.

The scenario you present is "have our cake and eat it too" which typically doesn't work that way. The rest of your post I feel is spot on.
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Re: Should Magic turn to 2023 NBA Draft to fix our guard play? 

Post#68 » by JoshuaPotter » Wed Jan 18, 2023 2:16 pm

Also the thread title changed and the answer is unless we nab the 1st pick then......(check notes)

.....Yes.
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Re: Should Magic turn to 2023 NBA Draft to fix our guard play? 

Post#69 » by Max Power » Wed Jan 18, 2023 3:38 pm

I absolutely think grabbing a new backcourt via the draft could be in the cards. Just tossing it out there, but if the Magic get #2 and we pick Scoot Henderson, the Magic have a young big 3 and our latter pick could net us a starting level shooting guard, say Gradey Dick. That’s as good a young core you have in the league with Suggs, Markelle, and Issac coming off the bench. Keep a cheap hatchet man like Mo Wagner and the Magic could really be cooking with gas in for the next several years.
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Re: Magic's Guard Play and Season at a crossroad! 

Post#70 » by eyriq » Wed Jan 18, 2023 3:38 pm

MasterGMer wrote:Am I among the minority to think we just need to add someone from this 2023 NBA Draft to fix our guard play and add to our young core of a young PG/SG?

Who is the candidate?

Also what would it cost to get Scoot Henderson from the draft?
If we've got a top five pick there's decent odds of drafting a future all-star. If it's a center, shooting guard, or point guard all the better but fit shouldn't factor in. Outside the top 5 but within the lottery we have terrific odds of drafting a starter. SG is the obvious fit, but PG is next in line with someone like NSJ or Cason or Black. It'll be interesting how it shakes out, but I trust management to make the right choice.

If we do go for a PG outside the top 5 I think we have some good drama to look forward to.
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Re: Magic's Guard Play and Season at a crossroad! 

Post#71 » by p0peye » Wed Jan 18, 2023 5:55 pm

eyriq wrote:
MasterGMer wrote:Am I among the minority to think we just need to add someone from this 2023 NBA Draft to fix our guard play and add to our young core of a young PG/SG?

Who is the candidate?

Also what would it cost to get Scoot Henderson from the draft?
If we've got a top five pick there's decent odds of drafting a future all-star. If it's a center, shooting guard, or point guard all the better but fit shouldn't factor in. Outside the top 5 but within the lottery we have terrific odds of drafting a starter. SG is the obvious fit, but PG is next in line with someone like NSJ or Cason or Black. It'll be interesting how it shakes out, but I trust management to make the right choice.

If we do go for a PG outside the top 5 I think we have some good drama to look forward to.


That would be our 3rd PG taken in 1st round since 2020. Not pointing any fingers.
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Re: Magic's Guard Play and Season at a crossroad! 

Post#72 » by JoshuaPotter » Wed Jan 18, 2023 6:01 pm

p0peye wrote:
eyriq wrote:
MasterGMer wrote:Am I among the minority to think we just need to add someone from this 2023 NBA Draft to fix our guard play and add to our young core of a young PG/SG?

Who is the candidate?

Also what would it cost to get Scoot Henderson from the draft?
If we've got a top five pick there's decent odds of drafting a future all-star. If it's a center, shooting guard, or point guard all the better but fit shouldn't factor in. Outside the top 5 but within the lottery we have terrific odds of drafting a starter. SG is the obvious fit, but PG is next in line with someone like NSJ or Cason or Black. It'll be interesting how it shakes out, but I trust management to make the right choice.

If we do go for a PG outside the top 5 I think we have some good drama to look forward to.


That would be our 3rd PG taken in 1st round since 2020. Not pointing any fingers.


To be fair, if Cole didn't have this mindset of being a starting quality PG and was happy in his role he is a great backup point guard.

Was Suggs drafted as a PG or SG though? I have used him interchangeably up until recently. Now I have no idea who he is, other then injured list.
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Re: Magic's Guard Play and Season at a crossroad! 

Post#73 » by JoshuaPotter » Wed Jan 18, 2023 6:06 pm

eyriq wrote:
MasterGMer wrote:Am I among the minority to think we just need to add someone from this 2023 NBA Draft to fix our guard play and add to our young core of a young PG/SG?

Who is the candidate?

Also what would it cost to get Scoot Henderson from the draft?
If we've got a top five pick there's decent odds of drafting a future all-star. If it's a center, shooting guard, or point guard all the better but fit shouldn't factor in. Outside the top 5 but within the lottery we have terrific odds of drafting a starter. SG is the obvious fit, but PG is next in line with someone like NSJ or Cason or Black. It'll be interesting how it shakes out, but I trust management to make the right choice.

If we do go for a PG outside the top 5 I think we have some good drama to look forward to.


Not that I want this to happen, pretending for a moment that we landed two picks outside the top 5. Say 6/7 for absolute humor sake.

If we drafted two PG or two SG it almost wouldn't make a difference to me as long as we felt they were the best guard available. Thats just how bad our current guard situation feels to me.

Also I think a big part of our discussion early on this year was the fact we had no Point guards at one point in time, and when they came back we lost Suggs so continuity in terms of having fresh faces that aren't on the injured list would be nice.....
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Re: Should Magic turn to 2023 NBA Draft to fix our guard play? 

Post#74 » by jonbob17 » Wed Jan 18, 2023 7:03 pm

The only PGs projected for the lottery are Scoot or Amen. So we'd probably have to mail it in to get a decent chance or if we fought for play in get really lucky to have a chance at either.
Plenty of wings and combo guards. I like Cason Wallace, the D is legit, and it looks like he can shoot, but not sure. Earlier in the year he had the only 50/50/50 line i had ever seen, at the moment 47/42/57.
Maybe Nick Smith falls to us. I like Black, but not best shooter. Keyonte George looks pretty interesting.

This draft is really interesting, and i think there are going to be some real diamonds in the top 15. If I had to guess, I am guessing we take at least 1 good sized wing, I wouldn't be surpised if we took 2 with the mindset of playing big, PG/W/Franz/Paolo/WCJ.

i guess it completely depends on where our picks end up, if we keep winning games I am hoping one of the Arkansas guys or Cason falls to us. I am just hoping we do get two lottery picks, I think we can add two good players from this draft.

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