Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread

[agkagk]

If I know Masai and Bobby the way I think I do, once the deadline has passed, they will come out and say they tried to get some things done but the market was slow, prices were too high blah blah blah. same thing they say every deadline.

Meanwhile, there will be a few valuable pieces that move. Us fans will look at those deals and say "why didn't our FO get in on this" or "why didn't we get in on that".

Then people will say Masai and Bobby must know something we don't and they did the right thing blah blah blah

Then in the offseason we sign FVV to $120M/4yrs and Trent to $100/4yrs.

this is amongst our best case scenarios.

fingers crossed.

You forgot the green front

ya youre right, hopefully we trade a bunch of all stars and high end role players for mid to late draft picks that have a flame out rate of like 80 something percent.

If we can convert trent and fred into 2 or 3 long term fringe bench pieces that would pacify my ego for 5 minutes. until next year when i crucify management for trading a bunch of all stars and high end role players for the very fringe prospects I was crying for them to be traded for.

cause draft picks are smart.

[Rapsfan07]

this is amongst our best case scenarios.

fingers crossed.

You forgot the green front

ya youre right, hopefully we trade a bunch of all stars and high end role players for mid to late draft picks that have a flame out rate of like 80 something percent.

If we can convert trent and fred into 2 or 3 long term fringe bench pieces that would pacify my ego for 5 minutes. until next year when i crucify management for trading a bunch of all stars and high end role players for the very fringe prospects I was crying for them to be traded for.

cause draft picks are smart.

Draft picks, as foolish as you may think they are, are a lot smarter than a treadmill team that's capped out with negative value contracts.

[tecumseh18]

I think a lot of ppl will be disappointed in what fo does

You mean...do nothing? I'm already prepared for that. Many years of trade deadline letdowns have prepared me for this outcome.

That would most certain result in having the 13th pick in the draft and nothing else to show for it.

Maybe the guy we REALLY like will be available at #13. I mean, who the hell knows? The only thing I'm certain of is that we weren't gonna pick Kessler if we stayed at #20.

Anyway, has anyone notice that Suns are like 16 mill over the tax line? They HAVE TO trade DA at the deadline.

The deal that makes the most sense for all teams is DA and Crowder to Pacers, Turner and some cheap Suns guard to Raps, and Fred and Bitadze to Suns. That deal by itself almost brings the Suns under the tax line.

[agkagk]

You forgot the green front

ya youre right, hopefully we trade a bunch of all stars and high end role players for mid to late draft picks that have a flame out rate of like 80 something percent.

If we can convert trent and fred into 2 or 3 long term fringe bench pieces that would pacify my ego for 5 minutes. until next year when i crucify management for trading a bunch of all stars and high end role players for the very fringe prospects I was crying for them to be traded for.

cause draft picks are smart.

Draft picks, as foolish as you may think they are, are a lot smarter than a treadmill team that's capped out with negative value contracts.

explain to me how pascal, trent, og, barnes, fred and precious are negative value contracts.

and if they are negative values like you say, explain to me how we can trade them for positive value?

also, I suspect most of the posters on this forum have the memories of fleas.

Fred was an all star just last year. a 20 game injury related slump doesnt equate to a negative value contract. at least not without a thorough review of his medicals.

Perhaps the team just needs a backup point guard and an actual center on the roster.

anyways, "negative value" aaaaaand go:

[ATLTimekeeper]

Read on Twitter

Insanity.

He's a free agent at the end of the season. And if they land Wembanyama, he's effectively useless. But I still respect it lol.

It's because the Celtics are the interested buyer. You can make the ask crazy high when the stakes are contending for a title. They will likely come off their price and it'll be 1 FRP and a prospect. I don't think the Raptors would bite at this point.

This year the league is wide open. No one is really even counting out Golden State, and they stink. After a torrid start, the Celtics look like one of the weaker front runners in recent years, so I think teams like Memphis, NOP, Brooklyn, Philly, Denver, GS, Miami, LAC, Milwaukee, Cleveland will all think they have a legit shot.

[agkagk]

I think a lot of ppl will be disappointed in what fo does

You mean...do nothing? I'm already prepared for that. Many years of trade deadline letdowns have prepared me for this outcome.

That would most certain result in having the 13th pick in the draft and nothing else to show for it.

Maybe the guy we REALLY like will be available at #13. I mean, who the hell knows? The only thing I'm certain of is that we weren't gonna pick Kessler if we stayed at #20.

Anyway, has anyone notice that Suns are like 16 mill over the tax line? They HAVE TO trade DA at the deadline.

The deal that makes the most sense for all teams is DA and Crowder to Pacers, Turner and some cheap Suns guard to Raps, and Fred and Bitadze to Suns. That deal by itself almost brings the Suns under the tax line.

ya the suns should run out a lineup of paul, fred, booker, cam johnson and gogol bordello.

[mtcan]

I think a lot of ppl will be disappointed in what fo does

You mean...do nothing? I'm already prepared for that. Many years of trade deadline letdowns have prepared me for this outcome.

That would most certain result in having the 13th pick in the draft and nothing else to show for it.

Maybe the guy we REALLY like will be available at #13. I mean, who the hell knows? The only thing I'm certain of is that we weren't gonna pick Kessler if we stayed at #20.

Anyway, has anyone notice that Suns are like 16 mill over the tax line? They HAVE TO trade DA at the deadline.

The deal that makes the most sense for all teams is DA and Crowder to Pacers, Turner and some cheap Suns guard to Raps, and Fred and Bitadze to Suns. That deal by itself almost brings the Suns under the tax line.

There is a guy I'm sure they would really like at #1 lol

[WaltFrazier]

You cant take a joke? You dont know Im like OG's biggest fan?

2nd biggest, at best.

.

Royal Rumble time!

I'm in the conversation.

And if OG goes, then I have a new favorite team to follow in the NBA

[niQ]

Read on Twitter

Pass.

[Rapsfan07]

ya youre right, hopefully we trade a bunch of all stars and high end role players for mid to late draft picks that have a flame out rate of like 80 something percent.

If we can convert trent and fred into 2 or 3 long term fringe bench pieces that would pacify my ego for 5 minutes. until next year when i crucify management for trading a bunch of all stars and high end role players for the very fringe prospects I was crying for them to be traded for.

cause draft picks are smart.

Draft picks, as foolish as you may think they are, are a lot smarter than a treadmill team that's capped out with negative value contracts.

explain to me how pascal, trent, og, barnes, fred and precious are negative value contracts.

and if they are negative values like you say, explain to me how we can trade them for positive value?

also, I suspect most of the posters on this forum have the memories of fleas.

Fred was an all star just last year. a 20 game injury related slump doesnt equate to a negative value contract. at least not without a thorough review of his medicals.

anyways, "negative value" aaaaaand go:

I never said FVV, Trent, OG, Siakam and Barnes were negative value contracts. Not one time.

They are all CURRENTLY positive value contracts, with the operative word there being "currently". This will not be the case forever, which is the whole basis of the conversation.

In order to properly understand this point of view, you have to look beyond this year. I'm not sure how much you understand about the way the NBA works (this is not a shot at you, I just am genuinely unsure) but if Trent and FVV, which are the players my original post was about, are not dealt by the deadline, we will be forced to pay them whatever they want in order to prevent them from walking for nothing. So we could see FVV getting $30M per and Trent at $25M per, maybe more (especially for FVV). If you can't see how those contracts are negative value, then I'm not sure there's much left to be said on the topic.

Moreover, we're already seeing where a team that features these guys in prominent roles gets us - into the Top 10 of the lottery. So why would we want to lock up significant amounts of capspace in guys that are not helping us win? This particular argument can also be extended to Siakam seeing that he will be due for a raise the following year, will likely demand the supermax and we won't be much closer to contending. So again - what's the point in paying him too? Now obviously Siakam is the superior player and will have much more of a market.

So if we follow your plan, we will invest ~$55M per year into just FVV and Trent. Then the following year, we have to pay Siakam and OG ...let's say OG gets $25M per and Siakam gets $40M per (these estimates are probably very conservative). We have ~$110M per locked up in 4 guys who are struggling to make the play-in and we still haven't paid Barnes.

Congratulations.

[agkagk]

Draft picks, as foolish as you may think they are, are a lot smarter than a treadmill team that's capped out with negative value contracts.

explain to me how pascal, trent, og, barnes, fred and precious are negative value contracts.

and if they are negative values like you say, explain to me how we can trade them for positive value?

also, I suspect most of the posters on this forum have the memories of fleas.

Fred was an all star just last year. a 20 game injury related slump doesnt equate to a negative value contract. at least not without a thorough review of his medicals.

anyways, "negative value" aaaaaand go:

I never said FVV, Trent, OG, Siakam and Barnes were negative value contracts. Not one time.......



So if we follow your plan, we will invest ~$55M per year into just FVV and Trent. Then the following year, we have to pay Siakam and OG ...let's say OG gets $25M per and Siakam gets $40M per (these estimates are probably very conservative). We have ~$110M per locked up in 4 guys who are struggling to make the play-in and we still haven't paid Barnes.

Congratulations.

in your attempt to disprove that you said theyre negative value contracts im pretty sure you just said that theyre negative value contracts.



ps: the salary cap is going up, by a lot.

pps: raptors just need a back up point guard and an actual centre that can rim run and operate on the low block on the roster.

ppps: we can always keep them, get a late lotto pick, resign them and trade them at a more opportune time later.

[SurgeIblocka]

Draft picks, as foolish as you may think they are, are a lot smarter than a treadmill team that's capped out with negative value contracts.

explain to me how pascal, trent, og, barnes, fred and precious are negative value contracts.

and if they are negative values like you say, explain to me how we can trade them for positive value?

also, I suspect most of the posters on this forum have the memories of fleas.

Fred was an all star just last year. a 20 game injury related slump doesnt equate to a negative value contract. at least not without a thorough review of his medicals.

anyways, "negative value" aaaaaand go:

I never said FVV, Trent, OG, Siakam and Barnes were negative value contracts. Not one time.

They are all CURRENTLY positive value contracts, with the operative word there being "currently". This will not be the case forever, which is the whole basis of the conversation.

In order to properly understand this point of view, you have to look beyond this year. I'm not sure how much you understand about the way the NBA works (this is not a shot at you, I just am genuinely unsure) but if Trent and FVV, which are the players my original post was about, are not dealt by the deadline, we will be forced to pay them whatever they want in order to prevent them from walking for nothing. So we could see FVV getting $30M per and Trent at $25M per, maybe more (especially for FVV). If you can't see how those contracts are negative value, then I'm not sure there's much left to be said on the topic.

Moreover, we're already seeing where a team that features these guys in prominent roles gets us - into the Top 10 of the lottery. So why would we want to lock up significant amounts of capspace in guys that are not helping us win? This particular argument can also be extended to Siakam seeing that he will be due for a raise the following year, will likely demand the supermax and we won't be much closer to contending. So again - what's the point in paying him too? Now obviously Siakam is the superior player and will have much more of a market.

So if we follow your plan, we will invest ~$55M per year into just FVV and Trent. Then the following year, we have to pay Siakam and OG ...let's say OG gets $25M per and Siakam gets $40M per (these estimates are probably very conservative). We have ~$110M per locked up in 4 guys who are struggling to make the play-in and we still haven't paid Barnes.

Congratulations.

1 million AND 1’s

[Rapsfan07]

explain to me how pascal, trent, og, barnes, fred and precious are negative value contracts.

and if they are negative values like you say, explain to me how we can trade them for positive value?

also, I suspect most of the posters on this forum have the memories of fleas.

Fred was an all star just last year. a 20 game injury related slump doesnt equate to a negative value contract. at least not without a thorough review of his medicals.

anyways, "negative value" aaaaaand go:

I never said FVV, Trent, OG, Siakam and Barnes were negative value contracts. Not one time.......



So if we follow your plan, we will invest ~$55M per year into just FVV and Trent. Then the following year, we have to pay Siakam and OG ...let's say OG gets $25M per and Siakam gets $40M per (these estimates are probably very conservative). We have ~$110M per locked up in 4 guys who are struggling to make the play-in and we still haven't paid Barnes.

Congratulations.

in your attempt to disprove that you said theyre negative value contracts im pretty sure you just said that theyre negative value contracts.



ps: the salary cap is going up, by a lot.

pps: raptors just need a back up point guard and an actual centre that can rim run and operate on the low block on the roster.

ppps: we can always keep them, get a late lotto pick, resign them and trade them at a more opportune time later.

Well given your response, it's either you didn't read what I actually said, you didn't comprehend what I said or your mind is already made up.

Either way, what's patently obvious is continuing this discussion with you is pointless. Thank you for letting me know.

[agkagk]

I never said FVV, Trent, OG, Siakam and Barnes were negative value contracts. Not one time.......



So if we follow your plan, we will invest ~$55M per year into just FVV and Trent. Then the following year, we have to pay Siakam and OG ...let's say OG gets $25M per and Siakam gets $40M per (these estimates are probably very conservative). We have ~$110M per locked up in 4 guys who are struggling to make the play-in and we still haven't paid Barnes.

Congratulations.

in your attempt to disprove that you said theyre negative value contracts im pretty sure you just said that theyre negative value contracts.



ps: the salary cap is going up, by a lot.

pps: raptors just need a back up point guard and an actual centre that can rim run and operate on the low block on the roster.

ppps: we can always keep them, get a late lotto pick, resign them and trade them at a more opportune time later.

Well given your response, it's either you didn't read what I actually said, you didn't comprehend what I said or your mind is already made up.

Either way, what's patently obvious is continuing this discussion with you is pointless. Thank you for letting me know.

lets trade everyone for mid to late picks because theyre negative value, but not negative value, but trade them now cause they might be negative value in the future.

google the upcoming cba and tv deal friend.

[bape_lovers]

what would be a valuable piece that masai/bobby could get?

If I know Masai and Bobby the way I think I do, once the deadline has passed, they will come out and say they tried to get some things done but the market was slow, prices were too high blah blah blah. same thing they say every deadline.

Meanwhile, there will be a few valuable pieces that move. Us fans will look at those deals and say "why didn't our FO get in on this" or "why didn't we get in on that".

Then people will say Masai and Bobby must know something we don't and they did the right thing blah blah blah

Then in the offseason we sign FVV to $120M/4yrs and Trent to $100/4yrs.

[Oakvillehoops]

There’s no way Barnes OG Siakam aren’t 3 starters on a championship team. You already have that.

It’s foolish to entirely restart and get rid of OG/Siakam.

Championship teams are built around 8 guys.

Starters
X/Barnes/OG/Siakam/x

Bench

GTJ/Precious/x

Is a championship team with the right Xs filled in. It’s Masai’s job to find the way to fill them.


Tanking out this year, probably nets you one of the starting Xs. FVV and any asset other then this years first gets you the other X starter.

And when you’re fully ready to win in 2 years, X off the bench is a vet who joins for cheap to win a ring

[bape_lovers]

tbh, we put Scottie in PG and GTJR in SG, we good. Just need a centre

There’s no way Barnes OG Siakam aren’t 3 starters on a championship team. You already have that.

It’s foolish to entirely restart and get rid of OG/Siakam.

Championship teams are built around 8 guys.

Starters
X/Barnes/OG/Siakam/x

Bench

GTJ/Precious/x

Is a championship team with the right Xs filled in. It’s Masai’s job to find the way to fill them.

[douggood]

There’s no way Barnes OG Siakam aren’t 3 starters on a championship team. You already have that.

It’s foolish to entirely restart and get rid of OG/Siakam.

Championship teams are built around 8 guys.

Starters
X/Barnes/OG/Siakam/x

Bench

GTJ/Precious/x

Is a championship team with the right Xs filled in. It’s Masai’s job to find the way to fill them.

X/Barnes/OG/Siakam/x


there in lies the problem, unless that guard is dynamic like lillard, having those 3 + center is going to bog down the offesne.

[metafisical]

explain to me how pascal, trent, og, barnes, fred and precious are negative value contracts.

and if they are negative values like you say, explain to me how we can trade them for positive value?

also, I suspect most of the posters on this forum have the memories of fleas.

Fred was an all star just last year. a 20 game injury related slump doesnt equate to a negative value contract. at least not without a thorough review of his medicals.

anyways, "negative value" aaaaaand go:

I never said FVV, Trent, OG, Siakam and Barnes were negative value contracts. Not one time.......



So if we follow your plan, we will invest ~$55M per year into just FVV and Trent. Then the following year, we have to pay Siakam and OG ...let's say OG gets $25M per and Siakam gets $40M per (these estimates are probably very conservative). We have ~$110M per locked up in 4 guys who are struggling to make the play-in and we still haven't paid Barnes.

Congratulations.

in your attempt to disprove that you said theyre negative value contracts im pretty sure you just said that theyre negative value contracts.



ps: the salary cap is going up, by a lot.

pps: raptors just need a back up point guard and an actual centre that can rim run and operate on the low block on the roster.

ppps: we can always keep them, get a late lotto pick, resign them and trade them at a more opportune time later.

Or we can just tank.
I personally would love to trade Siakim, OG, Fred and Trent for rookies and picks. Run with Scotty as our #1. If it takes a decade to get back into the playoffs, I am prepared to wait.

It is awesome seeing us grow a new team. I did a scientific poll and 95% of Raps fans agree with me. Trust me.

[Rapsfan07]

what would be a valuable piece that masai/bobby could get?

If I know Masai and Bobby the way I think I do, once the deadline has passed, they will come out and say they tried to get some things done but the market was slow, prices were too high blah blah blah. same thing they say every deadline.

Meanwhile, there will be a few valuable pieces that move. Us fans will look at those deals and say "why didn't our FO get in on this" or "why didn't we get in on that".

Then people will say Masai and Bobby must know something we don't and they did the right thing blah blah blah

Then in the offseason we sign FVV to $120M/4yrs and Trent to $100/4yrs.

The definition of value will depend highly on what direction the team wants to go.

If they want to do a hard reset, then I have to imagine that picks and young blue chip prospects will be valuable.
If they want to contend, then I have to imagine some bench depth as well as a starting quality 3&D C like Turner might be valuable.

The issue, at least for me, with investing in this core is that our most valuable contracts that we'd be willing to trade (FVV and Trent lets say for the purposes of this argument) already play a core role in this team. So in order for the trade to make us net better overall, we'd have to not only fill the hole we're creating by making the trade in the first place, but also get someone better back.

For example - if we dealt FVV, we'd be in need of a starting PG who's better than FVV to make the deal worth it. Who is that? And the only way I know how to do that without gutting our already shallow depth is by adding picks. Do we want to add future picks to add to this core? Does said player we're acquiring make us championship contenders?