Trade Ideas

[JujitsuFlip]

I’d prefer Collins to Beasley. At least he fills a role that the Cavs have no long-term solution for…

He was paid based on 2019/20 and growth trajectory. We’re three years into that not occurring. I don’t think he’s been the same player since the HGH suspension. And even without that, he’s never played 82 games.

So, he’s worth $15 mil/yr; if Ainge wants to be paid to take him, I’d cut Utah out of that deal.

I’m dubious about LeVert being sent out in a deal for him. I think we’re hearing that because Rubio cuts into his role significantly. Would rather orchestrate around Love here.

Something like Love for Collins, Holiday and a pick or swap+2nds might be palatable.


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I just don't know how you justify trading what little you have in terms of expendable trade assets for a third big, especially one whose outside shooting is sketchy. We have needs ahead of that. I like Reid out of Minny as a much cheaper target to fill that role.

I like Naz and think he’s a perfect BAE target.

I also think that if you can get lottery protected swap rights in 2024 and/or 2026 along with 1-2 2nd round picks FROM Atlanta; that Collins is worth the financial investment. I would not trade assets for him, and do not consider Kevin Love as an asset beyond the trade deadline.

Takes some maneuvering in the off-season to duck the tax for non-taxpayer MLE purposes (but with Okoro and Osman expiring, shouldn’t be difficult. I also don’t know that the Cavs should be trying to duck the tax next year.


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Not sure a 2026 1st round swap is on the table due to the Ted Stepien rule.

[jbk1234]

I’d prefer Collins to Beasley. At least he fills a role that the Cavs have no long-term solution for…

He was paid based on 2019/20 and growth trajectory. We’re three years into that not occurring. I don’t think he’s been the same player since the HGH suspension. And even without that, he’s never played 82 games.

So, he’s worth $15 mil/yr; if Ainge wants to be paid to take him, I’d cut Utah out of that deal.

I’m dubious about LeVert being sent out in a deal for him. I think we’re hearing that because Rubio cuts into his role significantly. Would rather orchestrate around Love here.

Something like Love for Collins, Holiday and a pick or swap+2nds might be palatable.


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I just don't know how you justify trading what little you have in terms of expendable trade assets for a third big, especially one whose outside shooting is sketchy. We have needs ahead of that. I like Reid out of Minny as a much cheaper target to fill that role.

I like Naz and think he’s a perfect BAE target.

I also think that if you can get lottery protected swap rights in 2024 and/or 2026 along with 1-2 2nd round picks FROM Atlanta; that Collins is worth the financial investment. I would not trade assets for him, and do not consider Kevin Love as an asset beyond the trade deadline.

Takes some maneuvering in the off-season to duck the tax for non-taxpayer MLE purposes (but with Okoro and Osman expiring, shouldn’t be difficult. I also don’t know that the Cavs should be trying to duck the tax next year.


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Assuming the Hawks actually part with value to move Collins, and I'm skeptical, I don't know that lottery protected swap rights will be that valuable.

[JonFromVA]

I just don't know how you justify trading what little you have in terms of expendable trade assets for a third big, especially one whose outside shooting is sketchy. We have needs ahead of that. I like Reid out of Minny as a much cheaper target to fill that role.

I like Naz and think he’s a perfect BAE target.

I also think that if you can get lottery protected swap rights in 2024 and/or 2026 along with 1-2 2nd round picks FROM Atlanta; that Collins is worth the financial investment. I would not trade assets for him, and do not consider Kevin Love as an asset beyond the trade deadline.

Takes some maneuvering in the off-season to duck the tax for non-taxpayer MLE purposes (but with Okoro and Osman expiring, shouldn’t be difficult. I also don’t know that the Cavs should be trying to duck the tax next year.


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Assuming the Hawks actually part with value to move Collins, and I'm skeptical, I don't know that lottery protected swap rights will be that valuable.

Well, it might help us get something useful out of our pick, but I imagine Altman would prefer something more tangible that can be traded on it's own, thrown in as a sweetener, etc.

[JonFromVA]

I posted this link in a reply in the T&T forum, but I think it pretty much rules out the Cavs acquiring Beasley:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2915665-t-wolves-malik-beasley-charged-with-drug-possession-threat-of-violence

THJ doesn't have that kind of baggage, but I still suspect the Cavs would want an asset back from the Mavs the Mavs would much prefer not to convey; but they're more likely to get desperate before Altman does because THJ isn't the answer. If we get a pick from the Mavs, however, that might become part of the answer.

[ijspeelman]

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How do we feel about Rui Hachimura?

[jbk1234]

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How do we feel about Rui Hachimura?

At best, he's a project, and I don't see the point in the Cavs trading for projects who have burned through most of their rookie contracts and still need a couple more years.

[JonFromVA]

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How do we feel about Rui Hachimura?

At best, he's a project, and I don't see the point in the Cavs trading for projects who have burned through most of their rookie contracts and still need a couple more years.

It's a potential means to get a high value player on the cheap if you think he was being misused, just needs a little more time/development, and you feel you'll be able to re-sign him especially if you get him in house and have his Bird rights.

I have no clue if Rui is that guy (don't pay that much attention to my local team), but fwiw - he can shoot the 3 some and has + length; but nothing too exciting in his stats even per36.

[KuruptedCav]

I posted this link in a reply in the T&T forum, but I think it pretty much rules out the Cavs acquiring Beasley:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2915665-t-wolves-malik-beasley-charged-with-drug-possession-threat-of-violence

THJ doesn't have that kind of baggage, but I still suspect the Cavs would want an asset back from the Mavs the Mavs would much prefer not to convey; but they're more likely to get desperate before Altman does because THJ isn't the answer. If we get a pick from the Mavs, however, that might become part of the answer.

Love baggage. Helps manage the salary cap.


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[JujitsuFlip]

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How do we feel about Rui Hachimura?

He reminds me of a slightly better version of Stevens, guys who are undersized for the 4 so masquerade as wings.

He also doesn't play a lot of basketball and that's what he's paid to do, doesn't this roster already have enough guys who fit that bill?

He's a free agent this summer as well.

All in all, no thanks, unless it's Windler who is sent out.

[JujitsuFlip]

What do we think about getting Ibaka? Cheap and can play with Mobley or Allen. Shouldn't cost much to acquire either. Give em RoLo and call it a day, they can have their 2025 second rounder back if they must.

[jbk1234]

What do we think about getting Ibaka? Cheap and can play with Mobley or Allen. Shouldn't cost much to acquire either. Give em RoLo and call it a day, they can have their 2025 second rounder back if they must.

He hasn't played any real minutes since his back surgery. It's been a couple years now.

[afarmenian]

What do we think about getting Ibaka? Cheap and can play with Mobley or Allen. Shouldn't cost much to acquire either. Give em RoLo and call it a day, they can have their 2025 second rounder back if they must.

Feel like Ibaka probably pretty cooked at this point but I like the thinking. I mean everyone just parrots wing wing wing wing we need a wing but we also need a backup big man almost as much. We have 6'8 can't jump over a piece of paper kevin love as our back up big. Outside of the towers we have no size top to bottom so we just need another big guy that can play off the bench post or wing .

On a side note nothing is more perplexing to me than how much better Brook Lopez is to Robin, its baffling.

[jasonxxx102]

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How do we feel about Rui Hachimura?

Plays no defense, decent offensively but I don't see how he fits.

Can't play the 3 so you're bringing him off the bench at the 4 and you've already got 3-4 guys who can fill that role.

No thanks.

Is he better than Cedi? I know they're not the exact same position but close enough

[JonFromVA]

What do we think about getting Ibaka? Cheap and can play with Mobley or Allen. Shouldn't cost much to acquire either. Give em RoLo and call it a day, they can have their 2025 second rounder back if they must.

Feel like Ibaka probably pretty cooked at this point but I like the thinking. I mean everyone just parrots wing wing wing wing we need a wing but we also need a backup big man almost as much. We have 6'8 can't jump over a piece of paper kevin love as our back up big. Outside of the towers we have no size top to bottom so we just need another big guy that can play off the bench post or wing .

On a side note nothing is more perplexing to me than how much better Brook Lopez is to Robin, its baffling.

Keep in mind Dean can give us minutes at backup PF or SF, and if Love's thumb is healing and/or he's adapting to it - his 3pt shooting can compensate for his lousy defense. Stevens best position may very well be backup PF, and even Cedi sometimes gets some play at backup PF.

Whoever we brought in would have to get over that bar in JBB's mind, or he'll get parked on the bench like Lopez, Diakite, I.Mobley, etc.

[JujitsuFlip]

Cavs don't really have much to trade for him but only a 2nd for Josh Richardson seems like a fair deal.

If they wanted to throw in Collins, I would do LeVert and a 2nd for Richardson and Collins.

[jbk1234]

Cavs don't really have much to trade for him but only a 2nd for Josh Richardson seems like a fair deal.

If they wanted to throw in Collins, I would do LeVert and a 2nd for Richardson and Collins.

Yeah, J. Rich for Cedi (who the Spurs have been interested in the past) and a second is my hoped for return. If the Knicks are looking for a Mulligan on Hartenstein, I'd have some interest in exploring that as well.

[JujitsuFlip]

Cavs don't really have much to trade for him but only a 2nd for Josh Richardson seems like a fair deal.

If they wanted to throw in Collins, I would do LeVert and a 2nd for Richardson and Collins.

Yeah, J. Rich for Cedi (who the Spurs have been interested in the past) and a second is my hoped for return. If the Knicks are looking for a Mulligan on Hartenstein, I'd have some interest in exploring that as well.

I wouldn't want to do Richardson for Cedi, makes the Cavs a tax paying team this season, gotta try to avoid starting that clock for as long as possible.

[jbk1234]

Cavs don't really have much to trade for him but only a 2nd for Josh Richardson seems like a fair deal.

If they wanted to throw in Collins, I would do LeVert and a 2nd for Richardson and Collins.

Yeah, J. Rich for Cedi (who the Spurs have been interested in the past) and a second is my hoped for return. If the Knicks are looking for a Mulligan on Hartenstein, I'd have some interest in exploring that as well.

I wouldn't want to do Richardson for Cedi, makes the Cavs a tax paying team this season, gotta try to avoid starting that clock for as long as possible.

Who among us wouldn't drive Windler to the airport with Cedi to get it done?

[KuruptedCav]

Yeah, J. Rich for Cedi (who the Spurs have been interested in the past) and a second is my hoped for return. If the Knicks are looking for a Mulligan on Hartenstein, I'd have some interest in exploring that as well.

I wouldn't want to do Richardson for Cedi, makes the Cavs a tax paying team this season, gotta try to avoid starting that clock for as long as possible.

Who among us wouldn't drive Windler to the airport with Cedi to get it done?

I don’t really want him in my car. But I’ll gladly spring for an UberBlack.

Hartenstein, I’ll drive to NYC and pick him up.

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[JujitsuFlip]

Yeah, J. Rich for Cedi (who the Spurs have been interested in the past) and a second is my hoped for return. If the Knicks are looking for a Mulligan on Hartenstein, I'd have some interest in exploring that as well.

I wouldn't want to do Richardson for Cedi, makes the Cavs a tax paying team this season, gotta try to avoid starting that clock for as long as possible.

Who among us wouldn't drive Windler to the airport with Cedi to get it done?

Hahaha fair point. Shoot, Cavs should be all over that, they would have 2 open roster spots for buyout candidates too.