Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread

[DelAbbot]

Somewhat agree.

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If you can somehow get Simons/filler/picks for OG, you pull the trigger.

I think I’m here too. Especially because I think his comments about wanting a larger role are part of what started this entire mess.

Holy, OG is the source of chemistry issues and not the 2 pending free agents Fred and GTJ? Where Fred publicly announced he is not happy with his reduced offensive role / taking a backseat?

[DelAbbot]

If we trade Fred and Gary, we may average one 3 a game. Perfect tank

Gonna be ugly next season too if Barnes and Siakam don't significantly improve their 3pt shooting

[RapsFanInOhio]

I think there are a couple underlying things that our front office are considering:
- You can’t make it blatantly obvious that you’re tanking, especially this year. The league is all over this and will continue to be.
- If you do luck into the first or second pick, you don’t necessarily want to leave the roster bare. Victor is one of those generational players that if you add him to a roster, you’re going to be become a playoff team at least. Victor plus this roster is a title contender. It’s so tempting to just blow it up, but young teams don’t automatically turn into contenders so you can’t risk moving everyone in the chance we get the top pick.

I do think they see that a change needs made. This core hasn’t worked and Scottie’s game (no matter how good he becomes) likely won’t elevate the team to a championship level, so there’s no sense paying for this core. It comes down to who they want to pay at the end of the day. If they’re around after the deadline, it probably means we’re going to pay them and we’re gonna have to be willing to overspend after this season.

I won’t be shocked if that’s any of them, but I’d probably rank the likelihood in this order:
- Fred
- GTJ
- OG
- Siakam

The best part is that there are a ton of suitors out there, so it’s a seller’s market. Get some young assets, some picks, and keep your roster decent in the process.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

That is not what I said.

lol you just posted that FO 'threw away' their FRP implying you're unhappy with their drafting and trading strategy. Who would've you traded along with FRP last year for an upgrade?

when did I say Koloko is "the source of the Raptors' problems going forward"

you posted that the FO was 'punting' FRP clearly implying there was better talent that could've been drafted instead of koloko. is there actual substance behind this thought or is this another mindless post about superstar kessler.

[HumbleRen]

Somewhat agree.

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If you can somehow get Simons/filler/picks for OG, you pull the trigger.

I think I’m here too. Especially because I think his comments about wanting a larger role are part of what started this entire mess.

Holy, OG is the source of chemistry issues and not the 2 pending free agents Fred and GTJ? Where Fred publicly announced he is not happy with his reduced offensive role / taking a backseat?

I think everyone has a share of the blame when it comes to chemistry.

OG wanting a bigger role on offence is a factually thing. Despite being one of the worst ISO players in the league over the last 2 years.

[DelAbbot]

I think there are a couple underlying things that our front office are considering:
- You can’t make it blatantly obvious that you’re tanking, especially this year. The league is all over this and will continue to be.
- If you do luck into the first or second pick, you don’t necessarily want to leave the roster bare. Victor is one of those generational players that if you add him to a roster, you’re going to be become a playoff team at least. Victor plus this roster is a title contender. It’s so tempting to just blow it up, but young teams don’t automatically turn into contenders so you can’t risk moving everyone in the chance we get the top pick.

I do think they see that a change needs made. This core hasn’t worked and Scottie’s game (no matter how good he becomes) likely won’t elevate the team to a championship level, so there’s no sense paying for this core. It comes down to who they want to pay at the end of the day. If they’re around after the deadline, it probably means we’re going to pay them and we’re gonna have to be willing to overspend after this season.

I won’t be shocked if that’s any of them, but I’d probably rank the likelihood in this order:
- Fred
- GTJ
- OG
- Siakam

The best part is that there are a ton of suitors out there, so it’s a seller’s market. Get some young assets, some picks, and keep your roster decent in the process.

Agree with this very nuanced take. But I would adjust by saying OG fits with Barnes much better than Siakam so he should stay.

[WuTang_CMB]

they prob dont deal the swap at the deadline but if they offered this id take it. fair for both sides. we get Dyson our bigger guard of future and a lotto pick for best 3d wing in league with one yr control. helps them in playoffs when teams go small on them and run jv off + helps them when zion goes down.

McCollum
BI
OG
Zion
JV

playoffs:
McCollum
BI
Trey Murphy / Jones
Zion
OG


Toronto:
Dyson
23' pick
Barnes / 23' pick LA
Siakam
Centre

and we can move trent for more as well. gives you better flexibility after with Fred.

[HumbleRen]

they prob dont deal the swap at the deadline but if they offered this id take it. fair for both sides. we get Dyson our bigger guard of future and a lotto pick for best 3d wing in league with one yr control. helps them in playoffs when teams go small on them and run jv off + helps them when zion goes down.

McCollum
BI
OG
Zion
JV

playoffs:
McCollum
BI
Trey Murphy / Jones
Zion
OG


Toronto:
Dyson
23' pick
Barnes / 23' pick LA
Siakam
Centre

Woah, OG and FVV for Dyson and a 1st round pick ???

We're getting fleeced lol.

*edit nvm, confused Flynn for FVV*

I'd probably do this trade but I think they would need to add another swap.

[DelAbbot]

lol you just posted that FO 'threw away' their FRP implying you're unhappy with their drafting and trading strategy. Who would've you traded along with FRP last year for an upgrade?

when did I say Koloko is "the source of the Raptors' problems going forward"

you posted that the FO was 'punting' FRP clearly implying there was better talent that could've been drafted instead of koloko. is there actual substance behind this thought or is this another mindless post about superstar kessler.

My original quote meant that we should have packaged that FRP for an upgrade on a starter. That's all I was saying. I'm not going to defend something I didn't say.

[Yeezus_]

OG's efficiency has been down the past two years but his usage has remained pretty flat for the past 3-4 seasons. In the 20-21 season, he was super efficient (high 2p% and solid 3p%) with a very similar usage rate to what it is today. It's weird to me that he isn't shooting better.

[WuTang_CMB]

they prob dont deal the swap at the deadline but if they offered this id take it. fair for both sides. we get Dyson our bigger guard of future and a lotto pick for best 3d wing in league with one yr control. helps them in playoffs when teams go small on them and run jv off + helps them when zion goes down.

McCollum
BI
OG
Zion
JV

playoffs:
McCollum
BI
Trey Murphy / Jones
Zion
OG


Toronto:
Dyson
23' pick
Barnes / 23' pick LA
Siakam
Centre

Woah, OG and FVV for Dyson and a 1st round pick ???

We're getting fleeced lol.

*edit nvm, confused Flynn for FVV*

I'd probably do this trade but I think they would need to add another swap.

no thats flynn

rotation was for next season. Fred is the wildcard

[AkelaLoneWolf]

I think there are a couple underlying things that our front office are considering:
- You can’t make it blatantly obvious that you’re tanking, especially this year. The league is all over this and will continue to be.
- If you do luck into the first or second pick, you don’t necessarily want to leave the roster bare. Victor is one of those generational players that if you add him to a roster, you’re going to be become a playoff team at least. Victor plus this roster is a title contender. It’s so tempting to just blow it up, but young teams don’t automatically turn into contenders so you can’t risk moving everyone in the chance we get the top pick.

I do think they see that a change needs made. This core hasn’t worked and Scottie’s game (no matter how good he becomes) likely won’t elevate the team to a championship level, so there’s no sense paying for this core. It comes down to who they want to pay at the end of the day. If they’re around after the deadline, it probably means we’re going to pay them and we’re gonna have to be willing to overspend after this season.

I won’t be shocked if that’s any of them, but I’d probably rank the likelihood in this order:
- Fred
- GTJ
- OG
- Siakam

The best part is that there are a ton of suitors out there, so it’s a seller’s market. Get some young assets, some picks, and keep your roster decent in the process.

problem with being a sellers market is that a lot of team won't want to give up significant assets or gutting their team.
but i agree with the overall strategy. FO's gotta a real good look at this core and make some hard calls.

[Yeezus_]

I think there are a couple underlying things that our front office are considering:
- You can’t make it blatantly obvious that you’re tanking, especially this year. The league is all over this and will continue to be.
- If you do luck into the first or second pick, you don’t necessarily want to leave the roster bare. Victor is one of those generational players that if you add him to a roster, you’re going to be become a playoff team at least. Victor plus this roster is a title contender. It’s so tempting to just blow it up, but young teams don’t automatically turn into contenders so you can’t risk moving everyone in the chance we get the top pick.

I do think they see that a change needs made. This core hasn’t worked and Scottie’s game (no matter how good he becomes) likely won’t elevate the team to a championship level, so there’s no sense paying for this core. It comes down to who they want to pay at the end of the day. If they’re around after the deadline, it probably means we’re going to pay them and we’re gonna have to be willing to overspend after this season.

I won’t be shocked if that’s any of them, but I’d probably rank the likelihood in this order:
- Fred
- GTJ
- OG
- Siakam

The best part is that there are a ton of suitors out there, so it’s a seller’s market. Get some young assets, some picks, and keep your roster decent in the process.

problem with being a sellers market is that a lot of team won't want to give up significant assets or gutting their team.
but i agree with the overall strategy. FO's gotta a real good look at this core and make some hard calls.

There are a few teams that can go from really good i.e. Pels and Grizz to championship contention with a player like OG. Both teams have assets that are interesting, especially the Pels.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

when did I say Koloko is "the source of the Raptors' problems going forward"

you posted that the FO was 'punting' FRP clearly implying there was better talent that could've been drafted instead of koloko. is there actual substance behind this thought or is this another mindless post about superstar kessler.

My original quote meant that we should have packaged that FRP for an upgrade on a starter. That's all I was saying. I'm not going to defend something I didn't say.

rumors were we tried to get claxton for a frp and porzingis for dragic + frp last year; just didn't work out. thad young was kind of the option they settled for.

[WuTang_CMB]

they prob dont deal the swap at the deadline but if they offered this id take it. fair for both sides. we get Dyson our bigger guard of future and a lotto pick for best 3d wing in league with one yr control. helps them in playoffs when teams go small on them and run jv off + helps them when zion goes down.

McCollum
BI
OG
Zion
JV

playoffs:
McCollum
BI
Trey Murphy / Jones
Zion
OG


Toronto:
Dyson
23' pick
Barnes / 23' pick LA
Siakam
Centre

Woah, OG and FVV for Dyson and a 1st round pick ???

We're getting fleeced lol.

*edit nvm, confused Flynn for FVV*

I'd probably do this trade but I think they would need to add another swap.

no thats flynn

rotation was for next season. Fred is the wildcard

added their 24' pick.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

if we can Drose somehow, that would be good

this is still the best option for Trent trade I believe.
Rose, quickley, 1st for Trent. maybe addon fournier and send back thad + boucher

[AkelaLoneWolf]

I think I’m here too. Especially because I think his comments about wanting a larger role are part of what started this entire mess.

I love the 'very good defender' throwaway line in the tweet.
His impact is very measurable. For the short time he was away, our drtg dropped from around 14th to 30th. combined with his offensive output, his impact imo is equal to that of fred's. one step below siakam's.

Aye man, we letting Grayson Allen drop 26 on us.

Our halfcourt defence is still ass. Our defence is meh in general. I rather pay a 3&D player who's a step below OG on a fraction of the price vs paying OG a 9 figure deal.

og/siakam/barnes are next year's problem. this year its the guards and the bench.

[mtcan]

I think there are a couple underlying things that our front office are considering:
- You can’t make it blatantly obvious that you’re tanking, especially this year. The league is all over this and will continue to be.
- If you do luck into the first or second pick, you don’t necessarily want to leave the roster bare. Victor is one of those generational players that if you add him to a roster, you’re going to be become a playoff team at least. Victor plus this roster is a title contender. It’s so tempting to just blow it up, but young teams don’t automatically turn into contenders so you can’t risk moving everyone in the chance we get the top pick.

I do think they see that a change needs made. This core hasn’t worked and Scottie’s game (no matter how good he becomes) likely won’t elevate the team to a championship level, so there’s no sense paying for this core. It comes down to who they want to pay at the end of the day. If they’re around after the deadline, it probably means we’re going to pay them and we’re gonna have to be willing to overspend after this season.

I won’t be shocked if that’s any of them, but I’d probably rank the likelihood in this order:
- Fred
- GTJ
- OG
- Siakam

The best part is that there are a ton of suitors out there, so it’s a seller’s market. Get some young assets, some picks, and keep your roster decent in the process.

problem with being a sellers market is that a lot of team won't want to give up significant assets or gutting their team.
but i agree with the overall strategy. FO's gotta a real good look at this core and make some hard calls.

An OG trade is very much like what the Pelicans got for Jrue Holiday.

Pelicans traded Jrue along with 2 first round picks and 2 pick swaps, the 60th pick of that year's draft, Kenrich Williams and a bunch of minimum guys.

OG can get you that. I'll take Trey Murphy, Dyson Daniels and a future first round pick for OG. I think that would be comparable.

[HumbleRen]

I love the 'very good defender' throwaway line in the tweet.
His impact is very measurable. For the short time he was away, our drtg dropped from around 14th to 30th. combined with his offensive output, his impact imo is equal to that of fred's. one step below siakam's.

Aye man, we letting Grayson Allen drop 26 on us.

Our halfcourt defence is still ass. Our defence is meh in general. I rather pay a 3&D player who's a step below OG on a fraction of the price vs paying OG a 9 figure deal.

og/siakam/barnes are next year's problem. this year its the guards and the bench.

It'll all continue to be a problem as long as Masai keeps refusing to rebuild.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Aye man, we letting Grayson Allen drop 26 on us.

Our halfcourt defence is still ass. Our defence is meh in general. I rather pay a 3&D player who's a step below OG on a fraction of the price vs paying OG a 9 figure deal.

og/siakam/barnes are next year's problem. this year its the guards and the bench.

It'll all continue to be a problem as long as Masai keeps refusing to rebuild.

we're 9.5 games back of the first spot in the tankathon wars. even if we traded all our starters we're not catching up to that group. best thing would be to trade trent as he is a flight risk, sit fvv with his injuries and let everyone else play it out.
we're 7th pick right now; can try to get to 5th and hope we're lucky in the lottery.