Is Pascal Siakam an empty stats guy?

Post #21 » by **zimpy27** » Thu Jan 19, 2023 3:54 am

LoveMyRaps wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
LascelleL wrote:
He was literally the 2nd option on a championship team

Lowry was the 2nd best player on that squad.

Siakam was at worst a 2B on that championship team.

Regular season had him easily 3rd with any impact stats.

Playoffs he wasn't as impactful as Lowry, Kawhi, Green in their playoff championship run.
He was less impactful than Kawhi, Lowry, Green in 19-20, even though 2 were on different teams.

I think Siakam was young and had a good year behind Kawhi in 18-19 but he wasn't 2nd option on the championship team (maybe 3rd) and he's improved since then. He could be a legit 2nd option now I think and I don't disagree with that at all. It just felt wrong to call him 2nd option on a championship squad over Lowry.

mademan · Post #22 » by **mademan** » Thu Jan 19, 2023 3:55 am

Doesnt the whole 'empty stat guy' end when you win a title as a big contributor (whether that's 2nd or 3rd option) ?

LoveMyRaps · Post #23 » by **LoveMyRaps** » Thu Jan 19, 2023 3:56 am

zimpy27 wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
Lowry was the 2nd best player on that squad.

Siakam was at worst a 2B on that championship team.

Playoffs he wasn't as impactful as Lowry, Kawhi, Green in their playoff championship run.
He was less impactful than Kawhi, Lowry, Green in 19-20, even though 2 were on different teams.

wtf did i just read.

knicksNOTslick · Post #24 » by **knicksNOTslick** » Thu Jan 19, 2023 3:58 am

Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:
iLLmatic860 wrote:hes a 3rd or 4th option.

You guys let a 4th option put up 52 on you.

Well your team only gets up to play against the Knicks but craps the bed against other teams all season. Then you got Raptor fans talking about the trade value of their overrated roster.

They'd tell you they would want multiple unprotected picks for each of their so-called stars, Siakam, OG and Barnes if they were to trade them. Like these guys could lead a team to the playoffs. They can't even become a .500 team without a Kawhi type player. Brandon Jennings scored 50 once. It doesn't mean he's a superstar.

dennythedino · Post #25 » by **dennythedino** » Thu Jan 19, 2023 3:59 am

No, but he's more of a 2nd option on a championship team.

He would be the perfect fit next to Luka.

PhilBlackson · Post #26 » by **PhilBlackson** » Thu Jan 19, 2023 4:01 am

DarkXaero wrote:If Siakam is so good and OG is so good, and Barnes is so good, why are the Raps so mediocre?

Could be something to do with the team being decimated with injuries for the first 2-3 months of the season, each starter has missed chunks of the season at different times & at times overlapping, our 2 best bench players haven't played (Achuiwa just rejoined less than a week ago, Otto never played or will this season) while their 2 best perimeter shooters are shooting career lows (those aren't any of the names you mentioned)?! Albeit the primary ballhandler, Fred has been stubbornly playing with back/hip injuries over the last year as he refuses to rest in order to in his mind "secure the bag" while shooting some of the worst percentages in the league, OG was out with a broken finger on his shooting hand so now playing through that & nevermind countless trade rumours swirling around while we have 2 UFAs and a non-existent bench...so yeah could have something to do with THAT part lol

Surely a Nets' fans can understand not living up to expectations?!?

baldur · Post #27 » by **baldur** » Thu Jan 19, 2023 4:02 am

DarkXaero wrote:If Siakam is so good and OG is so good, and Barnes is so good, why are the Raps so mediocre?

you forgot their coach is a top 3 too.

PhilBlackson · Post #28 » by **PhilBlackson** » Thu Jan 19, 2023 4:05 am

baldur wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:If Siakam is so good and OG is so good, and Barnes is so good, why are the Raps so mediocre?

you forgot their coach is a top 3 too.

But Bron & AD are so good and the Lakers have made the Playoffs how many times with them?!? Oh that's right injuries & roster construction around players matters...duh who woulda thought?!?

Kingdibs19 · Post #29 » by **Kingdibs19** » Thu Jan 19, 2023 4:06 am

baldur wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:If Siakam is so good and OG is so good, and Barnes is so good, why are the Raps so mediocre?

you forgot their coach is a top 3 too.

Fair questions tbh. Not to mention FVV was an all-star last year and GTJ is a solid starter and a steal for Norm Powell.

Edit: Also their GM is top 2

DarkXaero · Post #30 » by **DarkXaero** » Thu Jan 19, 2023 4:07 am

PhilBlackson wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:If Siakam is so good and OG is so good, and Barnes is so good, why are the Raps so mediocre?

Could be something to do with the team being decimated with injuries for the first 2-3 months of the season, each starter has missed chunks of the season at different times & at times overlapping, our 2 best bench players haven't played (Achuiwa just rejoined less than a week ago, Otto never played or will this season) while their 2 best perimeter shooters are shooting career lows (those aren't any of the names you mentioned)?! Albeit the primary ballhandler, Fred has been stubbornly playing with back/hip injuries over the last year as he refuses to rest in order to in his mind "secure the bag" while shooting some of the worst percentages in the league, OG was out with a broken finger on his shooting hand so now playing through that & nevermind countless trade rumours swirling around while we have 2 UFAs and a non-existent bench...so yeah could have something to do with THAT part lol

Surely a Nets' fans can understand not living up to expectations?!?

Your core players have been fairly available though, so why are you hiding behind the injury excuse? I can take one look at your board and know that all in not well.

stillgotgame · Post #31 » by **stillgotgame** » Thu Jan 19, 2023 4:10 am

He’s a very good player, stats aren’t empty at all. Not a superstar but definitely a good #2.

I love how he’s relentless in attacking the basket. If his defender is out of position or off balance he always initiates contact, very smart.

mademan · Post #32 » by **mademan** » Thu Jan 19, 2023 4:12 am

DarkXaero wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:If Siakam is so good and OG is so good, and Barnes is so good, why are the Raps so mediocre?

Could be something to do with the team being decimated with injuries for the first 2-3 months of the season, each starter has missed chunks of the season at different times & at times overlapping, our 2 best bench players haven't played (Achuiwa just rejoined less than a week ago, Otto never played or will this season) while their 2 best perimeter shooters are shooting career lows (those aren't any of the names you mentioned)?! Albeit the primary ballhandler, Fred has been stubbornly playing with back/hip injuries over the last year as he refuses to rest in order to in his mind "secure the bag" while shooting some of the worst percentages in the league, OG was out with a broken finger on his shooting hand so now playing through that & nevermind countless trade rumours swirling around while we have 2 UFAs and a non-existent bench...so yeah could have something to do with THAT part lol

Surely a Nets' fans can understand not living up to expectations?!?
Your core players have been fairly available though, so why are you hiding behind the injury excuse? I can take one look at your board and know that all in not well.

Those 3 are good. Problem is theyre a bad fit, we have no guards and no paint presence, meaning we're both terrible in the half court and our defense falls apart fairly easily. It doesnt mean those guys arent good. Like jesus, KD is an MVP talent and dude got swept in the first round

iF Kd Is So GoOd WhY he gEt SwePT?

Harcore Fenton Mun · Post #33 » by **Harcore Fenton Mun** » Thu Jan 19, 2023 4:13 am

knicksNOTslick wrote:
Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:
iLLmatic860 wrote:hes a 3rd or 4th option.

You guys let a 4th option put up 52 on you.

Well your team only gets up to play against the Knicks but craps the bed against other teams all season. Then you got Raptor fans talking about the trade value of their overrated roster.

They'd tell you they would want multiple unprotected picks for each of their so-called stars, Siakam, OG and Barnes if they were to trade them. Like these guys could lead a team to the playoffs. They can't even become a .500 team without a Kawhi type player. Brandon Jennings scored 50 once. It doesn't mean he's a superstar.

I mean, we suck this season...but like the last decade.

mademan · Post #34 » by **mademan** » Thu Jan 19, 2023 4:16 am

baldur wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:If Siakam is so good and OG is so good, and Barnes is so good, why are the Raps so mediocre?

you forgot their coach is a top 3 too.

Youre a fan of a team that still arguably has the best top 2 in the world, and even when both play, the team is underwhelming. BRK has one of the best top 2 in the league and they were swept in the first round last year. Basketball is a team game guys

PhilBlackson · Post #35 » by **PhilBlackson** » Thu Jan 19, 2023 4:16 am

DarkXaero wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:If Siakam is so good and OG is so good, and Barnes is so good, why are the Raps so mediocre?

Could be something to do with the team being decimated with injuries for the first 2-3 months of the season, each starter has missed chunks of the season at different times & at times overlapping, our 2 best bench players haven't played (Achuiwa just rejoined less than a week ago, Otto never played or will this season) while their 2 best perimeter shooters are shooting career lows (those aren't any of the names you mentioned)?! Albeit the primary ballhandler, Fred has been stubbornly playing with back/hip injuries over the last year as he refuses to rest in order to in his mind "secure the bag" while shooting some of the worst percentages in the league, OG was out with a broken finger on his shooting hand so now playing through that & nevermind countless trade rumours swirling around while we have 2 UFAs and a non-existent bench...so yeah could have something to do with THAT part lol

Surely a Nets' fans can understand not living up to expectations?!?
Your core players have been fairly available though, so why are you hiding behind the injury excuse? I can take one look at your board and know that all in not well.

It's not hiding behind an excuse lol those are simple FACTS but you prefer a lazy narrative so you get to enjoy kicking a team when it's down (who's fanbase you don't like).

Your best shooters (who again are not the names you mentioned, so not at fault) are shooting career lows. Your starting PG has a clear & obvious correlation to the lower level of his play to the time he first getting diagnosed with back & hip issues (one which was severe enough to prematurely end his Playoffs - as in he could not continue to play & has refused surgery) and the one after that had surgery on his shooting hand THIS season. You can claim we've been healthy but it's just not true when each starter has missed more than a handful of games. All while your 2 best bench players have not played AT ALL up until the previous 2 games and that's only one of them while the other hasn't/won't play for the season. Least we mention we have no actual starting C. Those are just the FACTS, not excuses. Where they've tried to play through all of that & now up to their eyes in trade rumours & you can't wrap your lil mind around how the season has fallen apart?! lol

Bron & AD are so good why have they only made 1 Playoffs?! Why were the Nets barely over .500 & swept in the 1st rd with 2 supposed superstars?!? Fun fact, Pascal has only played 5 more games than Steph yet the Warriors have far more surrounding talent AND more depth, why have they struggled?! Whatever it's all "excuses" right?! Those guys are supposed to be "so good" right lol hold this L for lack of logic.

Kurtz · Post #36 » by **Kurtz** » Thu Jan 19, 2023 4:17 am

knicksNOTslick wrote:
Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:
iLLmatic860 wrote:hes a 3rd or 4th option.

You guys let a 4th option put up 52 on you.

Well your team only gets up to play against the Knicks but craps the bed against other teams all season. Then you got Raptor fans talking about the trade value of their overrated roster.

They'd tell you they would want multiple unprotected picks for each of their so-called stars, Siakam, OG and Barnes if they were to trade them. Like these guys could lead a team to the playoffs. They can't even become a .500 team without a Kawhi type player. Brandon Jennings scored 50 once. It doesn't mean he's a superstar.

Raptors have been a better than .500 team every season of Pascal's career (other than the Covid year). Just admit you're sore that he put up 52 on you and got a W in your own barn and move on.

ps: Obvious troll threads are lame.

Post #37 » by **zimpy27** » Thu Jan 19, 2023 4:18 am

LoveMyRaps wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:
Siakam was at worst a 2B on that championship team.

Playoffs he wasn't as impactful as Lowry, Kawhi, Green in their playoff championship run.
He was less impactful than Kawhi, Lowry, Green in 19-20, even though 2 were on different teams.

wtf did i just read.

Based on impact stats. Danny Green is a bit of a darling in these stats. Even when shooting poorly he manages to contribute to winning on the floor with his gravity and defense.

Kurtz · Post #38 » by **Kurtz** » Thu Jan 19, 2023 4:20 am

zimpy27 wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
Playoffs he wasn't as impactful as Lowry, Kawhi, Green in their playoff championship run.
He was less impactful than Kawhi, Lowry, Green in 19-20, even though 2 were on different teams.

wtf did i just read.

Based on impact stats. Danny Green is a bit of a darling in these stats. Even when shooting poorly he manages to contribute to winning on the floor with his gravity and defense.

What a terrible take. Danny Green was an active liability in the playoffs for the Raptors - he was brutal and almost cost a few pivotal games with his inability to dribble leading to crunch time turnovers.

kenwood3333 · Post #39 » by **kenwood3333** » Thu Jan 19, 2023 4:21 am

His stat is not even great. I would argue LBJ is on a mission to be an empty stat guy this season.

knicksNOTslick · Post #40 » by **knicksNOTslick** » Thu Jan 19, 2023 4:21 am

Kurtz wrote:
knicksNOTslick wrote:
Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:You guys let a 4th option put up 52 on you.

Well your team only gets up to play against the Knicks but craps the bed against other teams all season. Then you got Raptor fans talking about the trade value of their overrated roster.

They'd tell you they would want multiple unprotected picks for each of their so-called stars, Siakam, OG and Barnes if they were to trade them. Like these guys could lead a team to the playoffs. They can't even become a .500 team without a Kawhi type player. Brandon Jennings scored 50 once. It doesn't mean he's a superstar.

Raptors have been a better than .500 team every season of Pascal's career (other than the Covid year). Just admit you're sore that he put up 52 on you and got a W in your own barn and move on.

ps: Obvious troll threads are lame.

Don't really care about the 52. Everybody likes to show out at the Garden. I just wanted to write the post to inform Raptors fans that their roster is overrated. Siakam is not worth giving up all those picks, OG is not worth unprotected picks. Jury's still out on Barnes but he's regressed. All these star players and they're not a .500 team.