Detroit - New York - Portland

Village Idiot · Post #1 » by **Village Idiot** » Thu Jan 19, 2023 5:11 pm

Detroit trades:

Bogdanovic
Noel

Detroit receives:

Dallas 1st (11-30)
Detroit 1st returned
Rose (team option for 2023-24)
Cam Reddish
Keon Johnson

The Pistons get their pick back which gives them more flexibility going forward. They also get the Mavs pick and two youngsters worth kicking the tires on.

New York trades:

Dallas 1st (11-30)
Detroit 1st returned
Obi Toppin
Rose
Cam Reddish

New York receives:

Bogdanovic
Josh Hart

The Knicks getting a much needed massive upgrade their depth adding two guys who can play a big role in expanding their core from 6 to 8 guys. Bogdanovic is having a career year while Josh Hart is the consummate 3 and D Thibs player who gives 100% every posession on both ends.

Portland trades:

Josh Hart
Keon Johnson

Portland receives:

Nerlens Noel
Obi Toppin

Portland gets a much needed size increase and more defensively versatility. With GP2 finally playing and Sharpe exceeding expectations this clears up the back-court jam. Noel gives the Blazers a potentially different look at center which is much need in certain match-ups. Toppin gets a new chance at finding his spot in the league.

Godaddycurse · Post #2 » by **Godaddycurse** » Thu Jan 19, 2023 5:16 pm

Bogdanovic is not worth 2 1sts

Post #3 » by **Snakebites** » Thu Jan 19, 2023 5:18 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:Bogdanovic is not worth 2 1sts

I think it depends on the quality of the firsts.

Perhaps he’s not worth THESE two firsts. I’d easily value him at a couple of picks below 20 though.

Godaddycurse · Post #4 » by **Godaddycurse** » Thu Jan 19, 2023 5:19 pm

Snakebites wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:Bogdanovic is not worth 2 1sts

I think it depends on the quality of the firsts.

Perhaps he’s not worth THESE two firsts. I’d easily value him at a couple of picks below 20 though.

hes worth a late first to me only

Resistance · Post #5 » by **Resistance** » Thu Jan 19, 2023 5:21 pm

Hart

2023-24 Contract details by year 28 $12,960,000

Contract Notes:
2022-23: non-guaranteed, fully guaranteed on 6/25/22
2023-24: Player Option/non-guaranteed, fully guaranteed on 6/25/23 (option deadline 6/25/23)

Since Hart could become a Free Agent, I have the Knicks refusing to do this trade.

Post #6 » by **jbk1234** » Thu Jan 19, 2023 5:25 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:
Snakebites wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:Bogdanovic is not worth 2 1sts

I think it depends on the quality of the firsts.

Perhaps he’s not worth THESE two firsts. I’d easily value him at a couple of picks below 20 though.

hes worth a late first to me only

Objectively, that's what he's worth, but Weaver is asking for the sun and the moon. It doesn't mean he gets it, but it could mean Bogs doesn't get moved.

Post #7 » by **Snakebites** » Thu Jan 19, 2023 5:25 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:
Snakebites wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:Bogdanovic is not worth 2 1sts

I think it depends on the quality of the firsts.

Perhaps he’s not worth THESE two firsts. I’d easily value him at a couple of picks below 20 though.

hes worth a late first to me only

And if that is reflective of what front offices around the league value him at I think he stays a Piston. I don’t think they’re posturing when they say they don’t feel they need to move him without getting good value back. They extended him. This isn’t a typical trade deadline dump.

I personally would trade him to get our pick back. The Dallas pick is gravy.

vege · Post #8 » by **vege** » Thu Jan 19, 2023 5:45 pm

I would rather keep Bojan then get pieces that are 99% likely to be irrelevant.

JRoy · Post #9 » by **JRoy** » Thu Jan 19, 2023 6:00 pm

I can understand NYK not wanting this deal, but from POR I wouldn’t add anything more to entice (Little, maybe).

Post #10 » by **dakomish23** » Thu Jan 19, 2023 6:28 pm

If you saw Obi close out the season you’d wonder why the Knicks don’t use him more than just sticking him in the corner for 15 MPG. He can get a lot of buckets very quickly.

His last 11 games (started 10 of them)
29.7 MPG
19.1 PPG 5.5 RPG 2.4 APG
58.4 on 12.5 FGA
44.1 on 5.4 3PA
80.0 on 2.7 FTA

I think and a lot of Knicks fan think if given the opportunity he can do similar things in a different place. Randle having a big year all but sealed his fate even though we are absolutely desperate for bench help

Post #11 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Thu Jan 19, 2023 6:38 pm

This looks like an easy no for the Knicks.

Post #12 » by **theBigLip** » Thu Jan 19, 2023 6:44 pm

Easy yes from the Pistons. And it isn’t Bogdonovich being worth 2 FRPs - Noel, now healthy, is a great defensive big for a playoff team to add. So combined, I think 2 FRPs is right. Mavs pick is going to be high 20s. The NY pick going back to the Pistons is so protected that it won’t convey for years, and if it does, it’s top 18 protected, so another pick in the 20s. So this seems fair - it’s not like these are two lottery picks.

Myth · Post #13 » by **Myth** » Thu Jan 19, 2023 7:51 pm

How is Toppin as a defender?

Mr Peanut · Post #14 » by **Mr Peanut** » Thu Jan 19, 2023 8:02 pm

I'd do this from the Pistons end. For those thinking it's too much, both first rounders won't even be close to the lottery (the Pistons pick is heavily protected for several years). Cam Reddish is due for a new contract and is bordering bust territory and it's early but Keon Johnson is flirting with the bust label too.

I think for the Pistons the big coup is getting control of our future first rounders back which might be useful if at some stage we consolidate and decide to trade for a big name.

cgf · Post #15 » by **cgf** » Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:03 pm

Hard pass from NYK. Toppin and two protected picks is way too high a price to bolster our bench when we still don't have a #1 option.

cgf · Post #16 » by **cgf** » Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:04 pm

Myth wrote:How is Toppin as a defender?

Still has plenty of room for improvement, but he's already a lot better than I ever though he'd be.

Colbinii · Post #17 » by **Colbinii** » Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:21 pm

vege wrote:I would rather keep Bojan then get pieces that are 99% likely to be irrelevant.

Well Dallas 1st is likely a pick in the early 20s or even late teens--nothing about that is 99% irrelevant.

cgf · Post #18 » by **cgf** » Thu Jan 19, 2023 10:32 pm

dakomish23 wrote:If you saw Obi close out the season you’d wonder why the Knicks don’t use him more than just sticking him in the corner for 15 MPG. He can get a lot of buckets very quickly.

His last 11 games (started 10 of them)
29.7 MPG
19.1 PPG 5.5 RPG 2.4 APG
58.4 on 12.5 FGA
44.1 on 5.4 3PA
80.0 on 2.7 FTA

I think and a lot of Knicks fan think if given the opportunity he can do similar things in a different place. Randle having a big year all but sealed his fate even though we are absolutely desperate for bench help

Thibs had no problem giving obi 20mpg or more when Toppin was playing well enough to warrant them. He just cooled off and got hurt :dontknow:

vege · Post #19 » by **vege** » Thu Jan 19, 2023 11:59 pm

Colbinii wrote:
vege wrote:I would rather keep Bojan then get pieces that are 99% likely to be irrelevant.

Well Dallas 1st is likely a pick in the early 20s or even late teens--nothing about that is 99% irrelevant.

Sure, 95%

Knickfan1982 · Post #20 » by **Knickfan1982** » Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:20 am

Village Idiot wrote:Detroit trades:

Bogdanovic
Noel

Detroit receives:

Dallas 1st (11-30)
Detroit 1st returned
Rose (team option for 2023-24)
Cam Reddish
Keon Johnson

The Pistons get their pick back which gives them more flexibility going forward. They also get the Mavs pick and two youngsters worth kicking the tires on.

New York trades:

Dallas 1st (11-30)
Detroit 1st returned
Obi Toppin
Rose
Cam Reddish

New York receives:

Bogdanovic
Josh Hart

The Knicks getting a much needed massive upgrade their depth adding two guys who can play a big role in expanding their core from 6 to 8 guys. Bogdanovic is having a career year while Josh Hart is the consummate 3 and D Thibs player who gives 100% every posession on both ends.

Portland trades:

Josh Hart
Keon Johnson

Portland receives:

Nerlens Noel
Obi Toppin

Portland gets a much needed size increase and more defensively versatility. With GP2 finally playing and Sharpe exceeding expectations this clears up the back-court jam. Noel gives the Blazers a potentially different look at center which is much need in certain match-ups. Toppin gets a new chance at finding his spot in the league.

Yea....this is an easy no for the Knicks. They don't get anywhere near the value they'd need back to justify this deal.