2023 Draft Prospect discussion

[CanadaB-Ball]

I tend to rule out most guys who are inefficient offensively in college. There are exceptions, but it's very hard to go from inefficient college scorer to efficient NBA scorer.

Depends how they’re modelled, I find.

Keyonte’s really efficient when his shot quality is factored in. The question then becomes if it’s a matter of necessity or mentality— if he’s shooting poor quality shots because that’s what he does and how he approaches the game, then that’s likely not ideal, but if it’s a matter of team quality, then it can be a promising indicator for his NBA percentages.

[WuTang_CMB]

Waiting for more games to watch Baba. Has the size, although raw, has some nice touch.

[Reeko]

I tend to rule out most guys who are inefficient offensively in college. There are exceptions, but it's very hard to go from inefficient college scorer to efficient NBA scorer.

Depends how they’re modelled, I find.

Keyonte’s really efficient when his shot quality is factored in. The question then becomes if it’s a matter of necessity or mentality— if he’s shooting poor quality shots because that’s what he does and how he approaches the game, then that’s likely not ideal, but if it’s a matter of team quality, then it can be a promising indicator for his NBA percentages.

Edwards is the only guy, who I can remember, that did that. For the most part I tend to agree with Oakley. Plus a lot of these guys get away with stuff in college that would find them riding the pine quick, fast and in a hurry in the NBA.

From what I understand, George is actually a good shooter and if he had just made like 3 more 3pointers he'd be at 37% instead of 33-34% on the season.

[CanadaB-Ball]

I tend to rule out most guys who are inefficient offensively in college. There are exceptions, but it's very hard to go from inefficient college scorer to efficient NBA scorer.

Depends how they’re modelled, I find.

Keyonte’s really efficient when his shot quality is factored in. The question then becomes if it’s a matter of necessity or mentality— if he’s shooting poor quality shots because that’s what he does and how he approaches the game, then that’s likely not ideal, but if it’s a matter of team quality, then it can be a promising indicator for his NBA percentages.

Edwards is the only guy, who I can remember, that did that. For the most part I tend to agree with Oakley. Plus a lot of these guys get away with stuff in college that would find them riding the pine quick, fast and in a hurry in the NBA.

From what I understand, George is actually a good shooter and if he had just made like 3 more 3pointers he'd be at 37% instead of 33-34% on the season.

He’s a great shooter, but he’s not an efficient scorer (comparatively, anyway). I could be wrong, but I think that’s what the argument is about. I just find the argument to be a little reductive. It’s not as easy as looking at a player’s TS% when you’re trying to project them to the next level.

I don’t know. I really like George, personally, but I can see arguments for and against— I still have him comfortably in the 6 to 10 range.

[Reeko]

Depends how they’re modelled, I find.

Keyonte’s really efficient when his shot quality is factored in. The question then becomes if it’s a matter of necessity or mentality— if he’s shooting poor quality shots because that’s what he does and how he approaches the game, then that’s likely not ideal, but if it’s a matter of team quality, then it can be a promising indicator for his NBA percentages.

Edwards is the only guy, who I can remember, that did that. For the most part I tend to agree with Oakley. Plus a lot of these guys get away with stuff in college that would find them riding the pine quick, fast and in a hurry in the NBA.

From what I understand, George is actually a good shooter and if he had just made like 3 more 3pointers he'd be at 37% instead of 33-34% on the season.

He’s a great shooter, but he’s not an efficient scorer (comparatively, anyway). I could be wrong, but I think that’s what the argument is about. I just find the argument to be a little reductive. It’s not as easy as looking at a player’s TS% when you’re trying to project them to the next level.

I don’t know. I really like George, personally, but I can see arguments for and against— I still have him comfortably in the 6 to 10 range.

Looking at his up to date stats, he's at 36% from 3 and 40% from the field. I wonder if in an NBA setting coaches tell him to cut out a lot of his mid range game and only shoot the 3 or attack the rim if it would help his efficiency.

[Los_29]

Depends how they’re modelled, I find.

Keyonte’s really efficient when his shot quality is factored in. The question then becomes if it’s a matter of necessity or mentality— if he’s shooting poor quality shots because that’s what he does and how he approaches the game, then that’s likely not ideal, but if it’s a matter of team quality, then it can be a promising indicator for his NBA percentages.

Edwards is the only guy, who I can remember, that did that. For the most part I tend to agree with Oakley. Plus a lot of these guys get away with stuff in college that would find them riding the pine quick, fast and in a hurry in the NBA.

From what I understand, George is actually a good shooter and if he had just made like 3 more 3pointers he'd be at 37% instead of 33-34% on the season.

He’s a great shooter, but he’s not an efficient scorer (comparatively, anyway). I could be wrong, but I think that’s what the argument is about. I just find the argument to be a little reductive. It’s not as easy as looking at a player’s TS% when you’re trying to project them to the next level.

I don’t know. I really like George, personally, but I can see arguments for and against— I still have him comfortably in the 6 to 10 range.

I agree. I haven't seen enough of George but there could be many reasons why he's an inefficient scorer in college. Donovan Mitchell was extremely inefficient in college and look at how he's turned out. His FG% is quite bad but he's still managing to put up a TS% of 56% which is far from terrible.

[NotMyKawhi]

BIg 8

Wemb
Scoot
Bmiller
Twin
Twin
George
Nick smith
whitmore

next 8

Dick
cason
walker
flip
brice
black
jett
whitehead

[NotMyKawhi]

tubelis with our 2nd rounder

[BoyzNTheHood]

This draft class looks pretty meh outside of Scoot and Wemby. A lot of the lottery guys are just ok prospects.

I don't see how you can look at this draft and say that. With guys like Brandon Miller, Keyonte George, Anthony Black, Jarace Walker, Dariq Whitehead, etc it's stacked with talent. These are the types of drafts that fill rosters up and make them deeper for years to come. There are guys in the 2nd round that I'd love to have on this roster, but there aren't enough picks in this world to do it for us.

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[BoyzNTheHood]

Waiting for more games to watch Baba. Has the size, although raw, has some nice touch.

Yeah, we've been talking about Baba in here a lot. But he needs to shed the rust.

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[BoyzNTheHood]

There are occasional outliers and mitigating circumstances, but If a prospect can't find a way to be efficient at the college level, I don't like their chances of that improving at the NBA level.

I like Jett Howard over most of the top prospects being discussed. 60% TS, great length, NBA pedigree, can hit 3s off-ball or pulling up and has athleticism that allows him to punish the hard closeouts he's seeing.

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He's got 2.6 Ast to 1 TO per game. That's almost better than any PG in this draft over 6'1.

I think he could be like Franz Wagner (who is putting up 20ppg) but able to play SG in the NBA. I think I'd take Howard just before Gradey Dick, Anthony Black and maybe even Cam Whitmore.

Maybe a Keegan Murray with elite passing.

Jett just grows on me with every passing day. I wouldn't say he's an elite passer, but he is an elite shooter. If there's one thing this team needs it's elite shooting. And it helps that he's around the height that we desire.

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[WuTang_CMB]

Waiting for more games to watch Baba. Has the size, although raw, has some nice touch.

Yeah, we've been talking about Baba in here a lot. But he needs to shed the rust.

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Such a big dude but a project right now. his suspension was bogus

[Reeko]

This draft class looks pretty meh outside of Scoot and Wemby. A lot of the lottery guys are just ok prospects.

I don't see how you can look at this draft and say that. With guys like Brandon Miller, Keyonte George, Anthony Black, Jarace Walker, Dariq Whitehead, etc it's stacked with talent. These are the types of drafts that fill rosters up and make them deeper for years to come. There are guys in the 2nd round that I'd love to have on this roster, but there aren't enough picks in this world to do it for us.

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Howard, Miller and George are interesting. Walker, Wallace and Whitmore all have upside but none of them really excite me. The Thompson twins are by all accounts great athletes, defenders, and passers but neither one can shoot and they're both playing in OTE where no one has a clear idea of the kind of competition they're facing.

[Kevin Willis]

This draft class looks pretty meh outside of Scoot and Wemby. A lot of the lottery guys are just ok prospects.

I don't see how you can look at this draft and say that. With guys like Brandon Miller, Keyonte George, Anthony Black, Jarace Walker, Dariq Whitehead, etc it's stacked with talent. These are the types of drafts that fill rosters up and make them deeper for years to come. There are guys in the 2nd round that I'd love to have on this roster, but there aren't enough picks in this world to do it for us.

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I think he's joking. The last few drafts didn't even have superstar talent. Brandon Miller will be better than Jabari Smith and he's probably going to be around 5. The last time we had 2 potential superstars in the top 2 was 2019. Jordan Poole was 28th in that draft. First round had a bunch of rotational players. Considering RJ Barrett was 3rd, this year's will be stronger. Probably have to go back to 2018 for an equal to better draft.

[Reeko]

This draft class looks pretty meh outside of Scoot and Wemby. A lot of the lottery guys are just ok prospects.

I don't see how you can look at this draft and say that. With guys like Brandon Miller, Keyonte George, Anthony Black, Jarace Walker, Dariq Whitehead, etc it's stacked with talent. These are the types of drafts that fill rosters up and make them deeper for years to come. There are guys in the 2nd round that I'd love to have on this roster, but there aren't enough picks in this world to do it for us.

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I think he's joking. The last few drafts didn't even have superstar talent. Brandon Miller will be better than Jabari Smith and he's probably going to be around 5. The last time we had 2 potential superstars in the top 2 was 2019. Jordan Poole was 28th in that draft. First round had a bunch of rotational players. Considering RJ Barrett was 3rd, this year's will be stronger. Probably have to go back to 2018 for an equal to better draft.

Just reading through the 2018 draft and it was loaded my God. I don't even remember it being that hyped of a draft class. I always thought that last year's class was weak, only two players I even liked were Banchero and Mathurin.

Admittedly, I'm only basing my opinion regarding this class off of scouting report videos. When I get a chance to watch full games I'll have a better understanding of who these guys are.

[Kevin Willis]

I don't see how you can look at this draft and say that. With guys like Brandon Miller, Keyonte George, Anthony Black, Jarace Walker, Dariq Whitehead, etc it's stacked with talent. These are the types of drafts that fill rosters up and make them deeper for years to come. There are guys in the 2nd round that I'd love to have on this roster, but there aren't enough picks in this world to do it for us.

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I think he's joking. The last few drafts didn't even have superstar talent. Brandon Miller will be better than Jabari Smith and he's probably going to be around 5. The last time we had 2 potential superstars in the top 2 was 2019. Jordan Poole was 28th in that draft. First round had a bunch of rotational players. Considering RJ Barrett was 3rd, this year's will be stronger. Probably have to go back to 2018 for an equal to better draft.

Just reading through the 2018 draft and it was loaded my God. I don't even remember it being that hyped of a draft class. I always thought that last year's class was weak, only two players I even liked were Banchero and Mathurin.

Admittedly, I'm only basing my opinion regarding this class off of scouting report videos. When I get a chance to watch full games I'll have a better understanding of who these guys are.

Makes sense. Plus this year's draft might turn to the weaker side too.

For those interested, this is what the second round of a really good draft looks like. Shake Milton is much better than Malachi.

31 Phoenix Elie Okobo 6-2 180 PG France Intl.
32 *Memphis Jevon Carter 6-1 195 PG West Virginia Sr.
33 Dallas Jalen Brunson 6-2 200 PG Villanova Jr.
34 Charlotte Devonte Graham 6-1 185 PG Kansas Sr.
35 *Orlando Melvin Frazier 6-6 200 SG/SF Tulane Jr.
36 *New York Mitchell Robinson 7-1 225 C USA Fr.
37 *Portland Gary Trent Jr. 6-5 205 SG Duke Fr.
38 *Detroit Khyri Thomas 6-4 200 SG Creighton Jr.
39 *LA Lakers Isaac Bonga 6-9 200 SF Germany Intl.
40 *Denver Rodions Kurucs 6-9 220 SF Latvia Intl.
41 *Denver Jarred Vanderbilt 6-9 215 SF Kentucky Fr.
42 Detroit Bruce Brown 6-5 195 SG Miami So.
43 *Orlando Justin Jackson MD 6-7 230 SF/PF Maryland So.
44 Washington Issuf Sanon 6-4 190 PG/SG Ukraine Intl.
45 *Charlotte Hamidou Diallo 6-5 195 SG Kentucky Fr.
46 *Houston De'Anthony Melton 6-3 195 PG/SG USC So.
47 *LA Lakers Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk 6-8 210 SG Kansas Sr.
48 Minnesota Keita Bates-Diop 6-8 225 SF/PF Ohio St. Jr.
49 San Antonio Chimezie Metu 6-10 220 PF/C USC Jr.
50 Indiana Alize Johnson 6-8 215 PF Missouri State Sr.
51 New Orleans Tony Carr 6-4 200 PG Penn State So.
52 Houston Vince Edwards 6-8 225 SF Purdue Sr.
53 Oklahoma Cty Devon Hall 6-5 205 PG/SG Virginia Sr.
54 *Philadelphia Shake Milton 6-6 205 PG/SG SMU Jr.

[WuTang_CMB]

Miller bumps Amen down. I think it likely goes this way.

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10. TORONTO RAPTORS - Jarace Walker | Forward | Houston
Stats (as of 1/19/23):
10.1 PTS | 6.3 REB | 1.8 AST | 0.9 STL | 0.9 BLK

48.1 FG% | 36.4 3P% | 71.0 FT%

Corey Tulaba: To the surprise of almost nobody, the Toronto Raptors head to the podium to select the 6’8” manchild with a 7’2” wingspan and a fun toolbox of basketball skills. With a Fred VanVleet free agency looming one may argue that looking for a guard is the move here; however, we’re still drafting BPA here in the Top 10 as we believe that Walker’s versatile offensive package (wait till an NBA team uses him as a screener and DHO hub) blended with game-altering defensive potential at multiple positions could return Top 5 value. Toronto will desperately need to find shooting elsewhere, but the thought of a young defensive core of Scottie Barnes, OG Anunoby, Jarace Walker, and Christian Koloko…(insert Morgan Freeman meme), good luck.

[will]

Get into the top 5 of the draft, and we move on!

[UnbelievablyRAW]

I don't see Nick Smith going that high if AJ Griffin fell and he played more games. Also don't see how we end up with the 10th pick when OKC and the Bulls are clearly on pace to win more than us lol

[God Squad]

Nick Smith isn't going to go top 6 IMO. But then again I can also see the Twins dropping. So who really knows, but I've been disappointed with NS.