Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread

[mademan]

We have ..you are just thinking about offense. WE are a defensive team. Coach, ViceC and GM know that we can't compete offensively (until you get a KD) hence having skilled versatile lengthy 6'8 top defenders like OG, Pascal.
See Trae against a Raptors team with Fred vs w/out Fred but with lengthy lineup.

Same reason, many posters were fully aware of it going into the Sixers series. It is too much to ask a lineup to stop anyone consistently without any rim protection and with a short starting backcourt. Now add the fact that FVV can't seem to able to defend the Point of Attack at an elite-level this season (though against Trae it has never mattered)

youre picking and choosing a few moments. We have actual data. ALL of our best lineups include guards.

NBA lineup data here

https://www.nba.com/stats/lineups/advanced?TeamID=1610612761&dir=D&slug=advanced&sort=MIN

I dont even know how you can rely on any stats this season with all the inconsistencies and injuries; Plus FVV and GTJ as a backcourt will play 35+ no matter what as long as they are around.
A Lineup including |OG|Barnes|Pascal|C and/or Rim Protector has been a dominant lineup with more than enough offense. The same reason we dominated the Hawks, the same reason we had the Sixers on the rope as soon as FVV was out. This season we have looked our best with the long lineup. We are a defensive team first.

Bro, i dont know what youre arguing. Youre saying, "dont trust all the data, trust me, i watched the Hawks game". lmao, dude, youre legit extrapolating a game here and there when data actually exists on this. Im not even saying a 6'8 lineup cant work. It just hasnt worked here and there's no reason to beleive that it can with our current 6'8 'guards' (Siakam/Scottie).

[ash_k]

Because OG struggles offensively to play off of pascal and Barnes. He tries to do too much and wants a larger role that he doesn’t deserve here. He’s given chances but his ball handling and shooting has not improved enough to warrant a bigger role. In fact, his shooting has regressed this year. He also will net us the biggest haul outside of Siakam. Now is the best time to sell high.

The larger role thing rumor from ....Jake Fisher still?
Despite playing with 3x20ppg scorers in the starting lineup, he would be averaging 20ppg right now, without all those WIDE open misses. He had his shooting hand taped for while. It could explain his shooting.
Overall, DPOY-OG has been just fine, he just needs consistent touches (just feeling the ball) which can't really happen with all those ball-dominant players in the starting 5.

His shooting has been down the past two years. Not sure if I buy the consistent touches thing when his usage rate has been flat the past 3 seasons.

Sometimes he does not see the ball for entire quarters with the other 3 20-point scorers in the lineup. It just make no sense to trade him unless Masai&Bobby have already given up on their 6'8+ Lineup, after less than 2 years. (though I doubt it)

[Yeezus_]

The larger role thing rumor from ....Jake Fisher still?
Despite playing with 3x20ppg scorers in the starting lineup, he would be averaging 20ppg right now, without all those WIDE open misses. He had his shooting hand taped for while. It could explain his shooting.
Overall, DPOY-OG has been just fine, he just needs consistent touches (just feeling the ball) which can't really happen with all those ball-dominant players in the starting 5.

His shooting has been down the past two years. Not sure if I buy the consistent touches thing when his usage rate has been flat the past 3 seasons.

Sometimes he does not see the ball for entire quarters with the other 3 20-point scorers in the lineup. It just make no sense to trade him unless Masai&Bobby have already given up on their 6'8+ Lineup, after less than 2 years. (though I doubt it)

It'll depend on what the return for OG is. If it's lucrative, you have to pull the trigger. If not, you continue playing him and developing him. Though he'll never be a consistent 20+ ppg scorer with strong efficiency if he doesn't improve his free throw rate, which has been pretty mediocre for a few seasons now.

[WuTang_CMB]

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[ash_k]

His shooting has been down the past two years. Not sure if I buy the consistent touches thing when his usage rate has been flat the past 3 seasons.

Sometimes he does not see the ball for entire quarters with the other 3 20-point scorers in the lineup. It just make no sense to trade him unless Masai&Bobby have already given up on their 6'8+ Lineup, after less than 2 years. (though I doubt it)

It'll depend on what the return for OG is. If it's lucrative, you have to pull the trigger. If not, you continue playing him and developing him. Though he'll never be a consistent 20+ ppg scorer with strong efficiency if he doesn't improve his free throw rate, which has been pretty mediocre for a few seasons now.

You will rarely find a ~20ppg scorer with DPOY talent at that size and versatility like OG at only 25. It comes down to moving one of FVV or GTJ or both; to let him show his improved free throw rate and other things. He has showed us a lot the last 2 seasons. We cant trade him.

[youreachiteach]

I hate how certain writers are trying to lower OG's value by saying things like" I always see OG as not being as good as advertised" right after the front office suggests they want a haul of picks. And then they add "nice defensive player" like he is a throw-away dime a dozen defender. Talk about trying to negotiate for a cheaper price!

This is the only player in the NBA who makes Donovan Mitchell cry for his mother when he plays here. We are very unlikely to get a shut-down defender anywhere near his quality anywhere else. Unless we get a tank star like Victor it's even harder for us to get offensive stars--thus having more elite defensive players seems to be a good idea. Yes, our defence has been bad this season...but it definitely wont improve by removing him.

[DreamTeam09]

This

Are we not currently in a rebuild?

No. We’re currently in a treadmill state.

God knows what we would be if we didn’t tank in Tampa.

Absolute miserable state of a franchise lol.

So two years ago we got the number 4 pick,
Minus - Birch and Thad what's the avg age of our group
Minus FVV who's a FA it drops even more.
Have we signed any long term contracts, no.....

We are currently in a rebuild, we just are not actively tanking as you and others would probably prefer

[JShuttlesworth]

Are we not currently in a rebuild?

No. We’re currently in a treadmill state.

God knows what we would be if we didn’t tank in Tampa.

Absolute miserable state of a franchise lol.

So two years ago we got the number 4 pick,
Minus - Birch and Thad what's the avg age of our group
Minus FVV who's a FA it drops even more.
Have we signed any long term contracts, no.....

We are currently in a rebuild, we just are not actively tanking as you and others would probably prefer

Nothing we've done to date is indicative of a rebuild

If we were in a rebuild, that Thad trade would have never happened

[WuTang_CMB]

I hate how certain writers are trying to lower OG's value by saying things like" I always see OG as not being as good as advertised" right after the front office suggests they want a haul of picks. And then they add "nice defensive player" like he is a throw-away dime a dozen defender. Talk about trying to negotiate for a cheaper price!

This is the only player in the NBA who makes Donovan Mitchell cry for his mother when he plays here. We are very unlikely to get a shut-down defender anywhere near his quality anywhere else. Unless we get a tank star like Victor it's even harder for us to get offensive stars--thus having more elite defensive players seems to be a good idea. Yes, our defence has been bad this season...but it definitely wont improve by removing him.

he's worth a ton. the league knows it. if we dont get a grand slam package for him, perfectly fine keeping him. I like Og, Barnes, Siakam as a trio. They just need serious help.

[BCbudraptorfan]

i know hes been trash but cam reddish any one? get some picks from the knicks he fits the mold if he can figure his game out

[islandboy53]

I don't see how...

Why would a single game sway anything especially when the last one should've told you as a franchise everything you need to know about the ceiling of the team?! Nevermind the loss to the Hawks without Trae...

Whatever they're waiting on apparently has no tie in to the draft. It all appears to be an indecisive waiting game/as they love to deem evaluation period. For some odd reason they seem to be hinging the Raptors entire future on the next month of games DESPITE the fact they can completely blow this year's MAJOR opportunity to add a GREAT piece this year in the draft.

They're running up the offers which I don't agree with because unless the potential they're getting back is GREATER THAN that of a high draft pick in a loaded draft, then they fought back & forth over a nickel when they may be sitting on what could be a dollar or at worst a quarter but odds are the potential is greater with a high pick than whatever it is you're getting from a Fred or Gary trade who are the 2 guys MOST likely to be moved.

The crazy thing though, is all the rumours of what OUR team has been after are all upgrades (particularily at C) which is even worse because then to me they're just doubling down on a flawed hand.

Or you just don’t know what a flawed hand is. Or how asset accumulation works. Or team building. or player values. or the art of negotiation. Definitely not the concept of time value. Let alone floor spacing. or communicating like a grown up on a chat forum.

Also your rants aren’t long enough. Just my two cents, but you’re giant blocks or text just aren’t long enough. your knowledge and acumen get lost in the conciseness of your ranting gibberish posts.

See iGen's thats how sarcasm works!

We already confirmed you as the lowest reading comprehension on the boards so totally understandable why you complain about long posts boucing that little pea of a brain around in there.

Now stop following me around like a lost child & run along back to class before recess is over, the adults are talking lol...

I see so much poor reading comprehension, low IQ, poorly thought out analyses of situations, and inability to differentiate between fantasy leagues and the actual nba on display in this forum, but the poster you're having a "debate" with displays none of those.

[HumbleRen]

No. We’re currently in a treadmill state.

God knows what we would be if we didn’t tank in Tampa.

Absolute miserable state of a franchise lol.

So two years ago we got the number 4 pick,
Minus - Birch and Thad what's the avg age of our group
Minus FVV who's a FA it drops even more.
Have we signed any long term contracts, no.....

We are currently in a rebuild, we just are not actively tanking as you and others would probably prefer

Nothing we've done to date is indicative of a rebuild

If we were in a rebuild, that Thad trade would have never happened

This.

The things he listed didn’t happen because we were rebuilding, it was just the FO putting together a poorly made team.

[alienchild]

His shooting has been down the past two years. Not sure if I buy the consistent touches thing when his usage rate has been flat the past 3 seasons.

Sometimes he does not see the ball for entire quarters with the other 3 20-point scorers in the lineup. It just make no sense to trade him unless Masai&Bobby have already given up on their 6'8+ Lineup, after less than 2 years. (though I doubt it)

It'll depend on what the return for OG is. If it's lucrative, you have to pull the trigger. If not, you continue playing him and developing him. Though he'll never be a consistent 20+ ppg scorer with strong efficiency if he doesn't improve his free throw rate, which has been pretty mediocre for a few seasons now.

What are you smoking? He's 82.3% this year from the line and has 75% plus for the last 3 seasons. The problem is not getting to the line enough considering the hammering he takes in the post.

[islandboy53]

Any actual rumors in this thread?

Lol. Apparently this is the "Trade deadline occasional rumours and a whole lot of generally silly discussion" thread.

[tecumseh18]

Sometimes he does not see the ball for entire quarters with the other 3 20-point scorers in the lineup. It just make no sense to trade him unless Masai&Bobby have already given up on their 6'8+ Lineup, after less than 2 years. (though I doubt it)

It'll depend on what the return for OG is. If it's lucrative, you have to pull the trigger. If not, you continue playing him and developing him. Though he'll never be a consistent 20+ ppg scorer with strong efficiency if he doesn't improve his free throw rate, which has been pretty mediocre for a few seasons now.

What are you smoking? He's 82.3% this year from the line and has 75% plus for the last 3 seasons. The problem is not getting to the line enough considering the hammering he takes in the post.

That's what free throw rate means - fouls per drives. You're thinking free throw percentage.

The problem is, every ref in the league knows that OG has no moves, no Eurostep. If there's contact, it's automatically a charge.

[Madvillainy2004]

Any actual rumors in this thread?

Lol. Apparently this is the "Trade deadline occasional rumours and a whole lot of generally silly discussion" thread.

My uncle works for the Raptors and says we're trading for kawhi again.

[islandboy53]

His shooting has been down the past two years. Not sure if I buy the consistent touches thing when his usage rate has been flat the past 3 seasons.

Sometimes he does not see the ball for entire quarters with the other 3 20-point scorers in the lineup. It just make no sense to trade him unless Masai&Bobby have already given up on their 6'8+ Lineup, after less than 2 years. (though I doubt it)

It'll depend on what the return for OG is. If it's lucrative, you have to pull the trigger. If not, you continue playing him and developing him. Though he'll never be a consistent 20+ ppg scorer with strong efficiency if he doesn't improve his free throw rate, which has been pretty mediocre for a few seasons now.

He's shooting 82.3% from the line this year, his best rate as a pro.

[Spida888]

Any actual rumors in this thread?

Lol. Apparently this is the "Trade deadline occasional rumours and a whole lot of generally silly discussion" thread.

My uncle works for the Raptors and says we're trading for kawhi again.

Is your uncle's name Dennis?

[ash_k]

and there would be absolutely nothing exciting about getting multiple picks from teams like the Grizzlies, the Pelicans, Cavs

[Oakvillehoops]

My sources are telling me management is very caught off guard by the situation we’re in. They truly believed this team was always about to turn it around.

Leaning towards one trade and a Tampa stealth tank. And more concerned how to compete right away again next year with the new rookie addition and a bench re tool

They are “open” anything. But this isn’t new for Masai, he will always “listen”