OKC is dangerous as @#$%

[Dacost]

What does this mean what is op trying to tell us exactly .

Who is scared?

[Patches Perry]

You're right, size is 3 dimensional. Length is really useful to challenge a shot, but you need the mass (size) to hold your ground. But you need the length for that holding of ground to be super effective. Height is a proxy we incorrectly use for length (or better explained, standing reach). Chet has insane reach and will be able to get a LOT of blocks. But if defenders feel they can drive into him and dislodge him, they'll not avoid taking shots at the rim against him. As a result, he won't have the rim protection the blocked shot stats might indicate.

The gap between g-league, summer league, or college and the NBA is HUGE. The idea this guy replacing undersized small ball centers and making a team 5 wins better would be simply jaw dropping. It would mean he as a rookie would be having all nba level impact. That's pretty insane to expect from any rookie. Let alone one who's body needs years of work.

Bolded is not true, because it assumes the shotblocker must necessarily embrace and absorb the contact. Plenty of rim-protecting players have lacked mass, so they elude contact while still being able to block/deter shots.

For example, if the player driving has to go out of his way to jump into Chet's body in order to neutralize his length and avoid being blocked, then the shot has now become much more difficult and this is in itself a form of rim protection (and wouldn't be reflected in block shots). As you say, blocks are a less accurate measure of rim protection than the overall amount of shots at the rim changed/deterred/made more difficult. This works in Chet's favor, not against. He will change far more shots than he blocks, which says a lot because he'll likely block a lot too.

Chet will be very effective at protecting the rim pretty quickly. His impact on win total will depend on the other things I stated as valid concerns.

Who has effectively created "anti gravity" where players avoided going at them who had a profile anywhere close to as small at Chet's?

Chet looks like a guy who's FAR more likely to be elite at coming OUT at shooters and staying in front of them while ON BALL. But a true zone/rim protector. He'll need to change his body considerably. I might need 20-30 pounds of mass to even have a shot at that.

Most people would consider Marcus Camby in his prime a rim protector, and he was 220lbs.

[payton2kemp]

Bolded is not true, because it assumes the shotblocker must necessarily embrace and absorb the contact. Plenty of rim-protecting players have lacked mass, so they elude contact while still being able to block/deter shots.

For example, if the player driving has to go out of his way to jump into Chet's body in order to neutralize his length and avoid being blocked, then the shot has now become much more difficult and this is in itself a form of rim protection (and wouldn't be reflected in block shots). As you say, blocks are a less accurate measure of rim protection than the overall amount of shots at the rim changed/deterred/made more difficult. This works in Chet's favor, not against. He will change far more shots than he blocks, which says a lot because he'll likely block a lot too.

Chet will be very effective at protecting the rim pretty quickly. His impact on win total will depend on the other things I stated as valid concerns.

Who has effectively created "anti gravity" where players avoided going at them who had a profile anywhere close to as small at Chet's?

Chet looks like a guy who's FAR more likely to be elite at coming OUT at shooters and staying in front of them while ON BALL. But a true zone/rim protector. He'll need to change his body considerably. I might need 20-30 pounds of mass to even have a shot at that.

Most people would consider Marcus Camby in his prime a rim protector, and he was 220lbs.

Yea Chet can block shots where guards are driving in the lane, he is quick and agile. But will he be stopping Embiid in the paint, unlikely. Luckily there aren't many Embiids out there.

Nic Claxton is leading the league in blocks, and his body isn't that much bigger than Chets.

[dhsilv2]

Bolded is not true, because it assumes the shotblocker must necessarily embrace and absorb the contact. Plenty of rim-protecting players have lacked mass, so they elude contact while still being able to block/deter shots.

For example, if the player driving has to go out of his way to jump into Chet's body in order to neutralize his length and avoid being blocked, then the shot has now become much more difficult and this is in itself a form of rim protection (and wouldn't be reflected in block shots). As you say, blocks are a less accurate measure of rim protection than the overall amount of shots at the rim changed/deterred/made more difficult. This works in Chet's favor, not against. He will change far more shots than he blocks, which says a lot because he'll likely block a lot too.

Chet will be very effective at protecting the rim pretty quickly. His impact on win total will depend on the other things I stated as valid concerns.

Who has effectively created "anti gravity" where players avoided going at them who had a profile anywhere close to as small at Chet's?

Chet looks like a guy who's FAR more likely to be elite at coming OUT at shooters and staying in front of them while ON BALL. But a true zone/rim protector. He'll need to change his body considerably. I might need 20-30 pounds of mass to even have a shot at that.

Most people would consider Marcus Camby in his prime a rim protector, and he was 220lbs.

He was 240 in his prime. he was drafted at 220ish. That's considerable larger than Chet even at 220.

[dhsilv2]

Who has effectively created "anti gravity" where players avoided going at them who had a profile anywhere close to as small at Chet's?

Chet looks like a guy who's FAR more likely to be elite at coming OUT at shooters and staying in front of them while ON BALL. But a true zone/rim protector. He'll need to change his body considerably. I might need 20-30 pounds of mass to even have a shot at that.

Most people would consider Marcus Camby in his prime a rim protector, and he was 220lbs.

Yea Chet can block shots where guards are driving in the lane, he is quick and agile. But will he be stopping Embiid in the paint, unlikely. Luckily there aren't many Embiids out there.

Nic Claxton is leading the league in blocks, and his body isn't that much bigger than Chets.

Unless Claxton's dropped weight from his listed 215 or Chet's put on considerable weight from his 195 listed weight...it's a huge difference. 20 pounds is a lot people. And again, context here.

People are saying and defending Chet would as a rookie make this team 5 games better (they aren't a bad team so these aren't an easy 5 wins) and mostly on his defense. And I didn't say he won't get blocks. I said his blocks won't translate the same way other big's blocks do to protecting the rim given he's great at stepping out and blocking shooters.

[slick_watts]

his blocks/defense won't translate.

why?

trust me, bro.

^ that's what i'm getting from this thread.

[OkcSinceSGA]

What's crazy is the Thunder's biggest hole is paint defense. Chet directly addresses that. Even if he's nothing offensively but a 4th or 5th option, we KNOW he will contest shots inside the paint at a high level and alter shots. Thunder can be a straight up title contender by NEXT YEAR. I don't think people are grasping that. Another leap from young players, draft picks (especially if they package some of it for a big upgrade)+Chet.. and they are a top 3 seed if things go well.

[WestbrookGOATed]

What's crazy is the Thunder's biggest hole is paint defense. Chet directly addresses that. Even if he's nothing offensively but a 4th or 5th option, we KNOW he will contest shots inside the paint at a high level and alter shots. Thunder can be a straight up title contender by NEXT YEAR. I don't think people are grasping that. Another leap from young players, draft picks (especially if they package some of it for a big upgrade)+Chet.. and they are a top 3 seed if things go well.

Preach. There isn't even a clear favorite this year, no one has any idea who's gonna win it all. No reason why the Thunder won't be in the mix next year.

[DudetheObscure]

What's crazy is the Thunder's biggest hole is paint defense. Chet directly addresses that. Even if he's nothing offensively but a 4th or 5th option, we KNOW he will contest shots inside the paint at a high level and alter shots. Thunder can be a straight up title contender by NEXT YEAR. I don't think people are grasping that. Another leap from young players, draft picks (especially if they package some of it for a big upgrade)+Chet.. and they are a top 3 seed if things go well.

Preach. There isn't even a clear favorite this year, no one has any idea who's gonna win it all. No reason why the Thunder won't be in the mix next year.

Pump the brakes, guys. They are currently the 2nd youngest team in NBA history. They will not be a title contender next year.

[OkcSinceSGA]

What's crazy is the Thunder's biggest hole is paint defense. Chet directly addresses that. Even if he's nothing offensively but a 4th or 5th option, we KNOW he will contest shots inside the paint at a high level and alter shots. Thunder can be a straight up title contender by NEXT YEAR. I don't think people are grasping that. Another leap from young players, draft picks (especially if they package some of it for a big upgrade)+Chet.. and they are a top 3 seed if things go well.

Preach. There isn't even a clear favorite this year, no one has any idea who's gonna win it all. No reason why the Thunder won't be in the mix next year.

Pump the brakes, guys. They are currently the 2nd youngest team in NBA history. They will not be a title contender next year.

Why not? There is no reason to think they can't be a contender by next year if the current growth continues, reasonable health, Chet is a big contributor on defense, and they add more pieces in the draft and possibly the trade market. THIS YEAR they are the 16th ranked offense (despite a putrid start), 9th ranked defense and 10th in SRS. Zero reason they shouldn't take another leap.

[DudetheObscure]

Preach. There isn't even a clear favorite this year, no one has any idea who's gonna win it all. No reason why the Thunder won't be in the mix next year.

Pump the brakes, guys. They are currently the 2nd youngest team in NBA history. They will not be a title contender next year.

Why not? There is no reason to think they can't be a contender by next year if the current growth continues, reasonable health, Chet is a big contributor on defense, and they add more pieces in the draft and possibly the trade market. THIS YEAR they are the 16th ranked offense (despite a putrid start), 9th ranked defense and 10th in SRS. Zero reason they shouldn't take another leap.

Name one team that is this young that has gone from the Lottery to Title Contender in two years. Listen to Presti. He said there are no shortcuts.

[Ben-N1ce]

They play so fast. Push the ball on made baskets. Like their style of always applying pressure getting downhill on offense.

[OkcSinceSGA]

Pump the brakes, guys. They are currently the 2nd youngest team in NBA history. They will not be a title contender next year.

Why not? There is no reason to think they can't be a contender by next year if the current growth continues, reasonable health, Chet is a big contributor on defense, and they add more pieces in the draft and possibly the trade market. THIS YEAR they are the 16th ranked offense (despite a putrid start), 9th ranked defense and 10th in SRS. Zero reason they shouldn't take another leap.

Name one team that is this young that has gone from the Lottery to Title Contender in two years. Listen to Presti. He said there are no shortcuts.

History will be made.

[baldur]

Preach. There isn't even a clear favorite this year, no one has any idea who's gonna win it all. No reason why the Thunder won't be in the mix next year.

Pump the brakes, guys. They are currently the 2nd youngest team in NBA history. They will not be a title contender next year.

Why not? There is no reason to think they can't be a contender by next year if the current growth continues, reasonable health, Chet is a big contributor on defense, and they add more pieces in the draft and possibly the trade market. THIS YEAR they are the 16th ranked offense (despite a putrid start), 9th ranked defense and 10th in SRS. Zero reason they shouldn't take another leap.

chet is not lebron. he is not taking you to the finals in his rookie year.

[sip]

Pump the brakes, guys. They are currently the 2nd youngest team in NBA history. They will not be a title contender next year.

Why not? There is no reason to think they can't be a contender by next year if the current growth continues, reasonable health, Chet is a big contributor on defense, and they add more pieces in the draft and possibly the trade market. THIS YEAR they are the 16th ranked offense (despite a putrid start), 9th ranked defense and 10th in SRS. Zero reason they shouldn't take another leap.

chet is not lebron. he is not taking you to the finals in his rookie year.

They don't need Chet to be a star. They just need him to be solid and it will be a huge improvement. Add the internal improvement of the other guys and they should be pretty damn good next year. Not quite pelicans and griz good but right below them.

[drone3]

If there was a bball IQ award Giddey deserves it

[OkcSinceSGA]

Pump the brakes, guys. They are currently the 2nd youngest team in NBA history. They will not be a title contender next year.

Why not? There is no reason to think they can't be a contender by next year if the current growth continues, reasonable health, Chet is a big contributor on defense, and they add more pieces in the draft and possibly the trade market. THIS YEAR they are the 16th ranked offense (despite a putrid start), 9th ranked defense and 10th in SRS. Zero reason they shouldn't take another leap.

chet is not lebron. he is not taking you to the finals in his rookie year.

I guess you’re missing the part that they are already a top 10-15 ish team in terms of team metrics. Playoffs are not, they are already in the middle of the pack. I don’t see why you don’t think Jalen Williams with another year, healthy Chet and Poku, another year of SGA/Giddey together, and another pick won’t be worth 10-15 wins at least.

[kdthunderup]

How can you have the size but there's a risk of players throwing their weight into you? If you have the size, you're not getting back down...because you're big enough to body people back.

Size is not one dimensional. He's 7'1 and skinny, therefore he has the size (see: height and length) to protect the rim, but not the size (see: mass) to hold his ground against stronger players.

You're right, size is 3 dimensional. Length is really useful to challenge a shot, but you need the mass (size) to hold your ground. But you need the length for that holding of ground to be super effective. Height is a proxy we incorrectly use for length (or better explained, standing reach). Chet has insane reach and will be able to get a LOT of blocks. But if defenders feel they can drive into him and dislodge him, they'll not avoid taking shots at the rim against him. As a result, he won't have the rim protection the blocked shot stats might indicate.

The gap between g-league, summer league, or college and the NBA is HUGE. The idea this guy replacing undersized small ball centers and making a team 5 wins better would be simply jaw dropping. It would mean he as a rookie would be having all nba level impact. That's pretty insane to expect from any rookie. Let alone one who's body needs years of work.

I get what you mean but Chet has compensated for his lack of strength with his extremely High IQ, positioning, timing, balance and overwhelming length at every level despite the takes that he will struggle.

I recommend watching this video:

Watch on YouTube

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OKC going from 0 rim protection to one of the best rim protectors in one season will be interesting to watch.

[Patches Perry]

Who has effectively created "anti gravity" where players avoided going at them who had a profile anywhere close to as small at Chet's?

Chet looks like a guy who's FAR more likely to be elite at coming OUT at shooters and staying in front of them while ON BALL. But a true zone/rim protector. He'll need to change his body considerably. I might need 20-30 pounds of mass to even have a shot at that.

Most people would consider Marcus Camby in his prime a rim protector, and he was 220lbs.

He was 240 in his prime. he was drafted at 220ish. That's considerable larger than Chet even at 220.

He also played 3 years at UMASS and was 220 lbs when drafted @ 22 years old, vs. Chet being 20yo when drafted. It seems like you're splitting hairs a bit here.

[Johnny Bball]

Bolded is not true, because it assumes the shotblocker must necessarily embrace and absorb the contact. Plenty of rim-protecting players have lacked mass, so they elude contact while still being able to block/deter shots.

For example, if the player driving has to go out of his way to jump into Chet's body in order to neutralize his length and avoid being blocked, then the shot has now become much more difficult and this is in itself a form of rim protection (and wouldn't be reflected in block shots). As you say, blocks are a less accurate measure of rim protection than the overall amount of shots at the rim changed/deterred/made more difficult. This works in Chet's favor, not against. He will change far more shots than he blocks, which says a lot because he'll likely block a lot too.

Chet will be very effective at protecting the rim pretty quickly. His impact on win total will depend on the other things I stated as valid concerns.

Who has effectively created "anti gravity" where players avoided going at them who had a profile anywhere close to as small at Chet's?

Chet looks like a guy who's FAR more likely to be elite at coming OUT at shooters and staying in front of them while ON BALL. But a true zone/rim protector. He'll need to change his body considerably. I might need 20-30 pounds of mass to even have a shot at that.

Most people would consider Marcus Camby in his prime a rim protector, and he was 220lbs.

There is no chance he was 220 in his prime.