Siakam to Dallas

[Godaddycurse]

Can you quantify that?

Since godaddy specifically said Siakam would be less valuable, what does half a season add/subtract? A pick? 2? Green or Hardy?

Does it matter? If we are planning to rebuild/trade him we'd do it this deadline instead of offseason

No it makes less sense because Siakam will be an expiring and less valuable

You brought it up. Why are you dodging the question?

Why am i the one to quantify? i'm not a fan of the team trading for Siakam if it's a team trying to win the championship though then that's close to half the guaranteed value lost. Even mroe so if its a team with a short window like Miami/LAL.

[aguiar95]

This is dreadfull. Dallas already have it's game-changer on offense. We need DEFENSE. Siakam doesn't bring you that. No shot to mortgaging our future in a huge overpay to a soon-to-be 29 years-old that wants a max contract and can't shoot threes. Barely efficient on offense with high usage that is a neutral on defense won't cut. Pass.

Anunoby on the other hand could be cheaper and better suited to us.

[mademan]

This is dreadfull. Dallas already have it's game-changer on offense. We need DEFENSE. Siakam doesn't bring you that. No shot to mortgaging our future in a huge overpay to a soon-to-be 29 years-old that wants a max contract and can't shoot threes. Barely efficient on offense with high usage that is a neutral on defense won't cut. Pass.

Anunoby on the other hand could be cheaper and better suited to us.

Barely efficient? where do people get this stuff? he's at 58 TS%. Thats pretty good for a guy thrust into a 1st option role. And his defense slipped because of his offensive responsibility. Back when he was an ancillary player, he was messing around at 63 TS% and playing all league defense by most metrics.

[CanadianBacon15]

This is dreadfull. Dallas already have it's game-changer on offense. We need DEFENSE. Siakam doesn't bring you that. No shot to mortgaging our future in a huge overpay to a soon-to-be 29 years-old that wants a max contract and can't shoot threes. Barely efficient on offense with high usage that is a neutral on defense won't cut. Pass.

Anunoby on the other hand could be cheaper and better suited to us.

Pass on a top 15 player when the team stinks outside of Luka. Makes sense.

[shangrila]

Does it matter? If we are planning to rebuild/trade him we'd do it this deadline instead of offseason

No it makes less sense because Siakam will be an expiring and less valuable

You brought it up. Why are you dodging the question?

Why am i the one to quantify? i'm not a fan of the team trading for Siakam if it's a team trying to win the championship though then that's close to half the guaranteed value lost. Even mroe so if its a team with a short window like Miami/LAL.

Because you brought it up? You can't actually be serious with this right now.

And we're literally in a thread discussing a trade with Dallas, why are you trying to bring in Miami or LA?

[aguiar95]

Pass on a top 15 player when the team stinks outside of Luka. Makes sense.

A top-15 player with OG/Trent/FVV/Barnes would be battling for home court. They're just 8 games behind in 11th place, so maybe there's still a chance...

DAL must avoid Siakam at this cost.

[mademan]

Pass on a top 15 player when the team stinks outside of Luka. Makes sense.

A top-15 player with OG/Trent/FVV/Barnes would be battling for home court. They're just 8 games behind in 11th place, so maybe there's still a chance...

DAL must avoid Siakam at this cost.

relax bruh, theyre 3 games behind Dallas with possibly the best player in the league, lol

...or i guess Doncic really aint that nice?

[Ell Curry]

This is dreadfull. Dallas already have it's game-changer on offense. We need DEFENSE. Siakam doesn't bring you that. No shot to mortgaging our future in a huge overpay to a soon-to-be 29 years-old that wants a max contract and can't shoot threes. Barely efficient on offense with high usage that is a neutral on defense won't cut. Pass.

Anunoby on the other hand could be cheaper and better suited to us.

Siakam's defense is inconsistent, but at its best it's 2nd or 3rd all-NBA level. It's entirely possible that Siakam would do the usual 2nd tier star thing and be chastened by Luka's greatness and focus his effort on defence and be a gamechanger for them at the 4 next to Wood.

[CanadianBacon15]

Pass on a top 15 player when the team stinks outside of Luka. Makes sense.

A top-15 player with OG/Trent/FVV/Barnes would be battling for home court. They're just 8 games behind in 11th place, so maybe there's still a chance...

DAL must avoid Siakam at this cost.

The rest of the team is terrible, which is why they play 7 and 8 man rotations in January.

[CraftylikeaFox]

Pass on a top 15 player when the team stinks outside of Luka. Makes sense.

A top-15 player with OG/Trent/FVV/Barnes would be battling for home court. They're just 8 games behind in 11th place, so maybe there's still a chance...

DAL must avoid Siakam at this cost.

The rest of the team is terrible, which is why they play 7 and 8 man rotations in January.

So OG/Trent/FVV/Barnes/and Siakam are good, it's just the bench guys that are the problem and holding back the Raptors? If Raptors fans are to be believed, Siakam is worth a superstar return, Barnes is untouchable, OG is worth 3 FRP's, and VanVleet and Trent are also worth a FRP and filler. If that is the value of those guys they should be much better than they are.

[mademan]

A top-15 player with OG/Trent/FVV/Barnes would be battling for home court. They're just 8 games behind in 11th place, so maybe there's still a chance...

DAL must avoid Siakam at this cost.

The rest of the team is terrible, which is why they play 7 and 8 man rotations in January.

So OG/Trent/FVV/Barnes/and Siakam are good, it's just the bench guys that are the problem and holding back the Raptors? If Raptors fans are to be believed, Siakam is worth a superstar return, Barnes is untouchable, OG is worth 3 FRP's, and VanVleet and Trent are also worth a FRP and filler. If that is the value of those guys they should be much better than they are.

what do you think Sabonis and Fox are worth? Both have been on lotto teams the majority of their careers.

Raps problem is that they dont fit. One of the issues with drafting the BPA is that you get yourself in a position where you have 3 forwards and 2 guards, no on ball creator besides Siakam, no C, and weak shooting. It doesnt mean the players arent good. It means they fit terribly together

[CraftylikeaFox]

The rest of the team is terrible, which is why they play 7 and 8 man rotations in January.

So OG/Trent/FVV/Barnes/and Siakam are good, it's just the bench guys that are the problem and holding back the Raptors? If Raptors fans are to be believed, Siakam is worth a superstar return, Barnes is untouchable, OG is worth 3 FRP's, and VanVleet and Trent are also worth a FRP and filler. If that is the value of those guys they should be much better than they are.

what do you think Sabonis and Fox are worth? Both have been on lotto teams the majority of their careers.

Raps problem is that they dont fit. One of the issues with drafting the BPA is that you get yourself in a position where you have 3 forwards and 2 guards, no on ball creator besides Siakam, no C, and weak shooting. It doesnt mean the players arent good. It means they fit terribly together

I never called Fox or Sabonis top 15 players

[mademan]

So OG/Trent/FVV/Barnes/and Siakam are good, it's just the bench guys that are the problem and holding back the Raptors? If Raptors fans are to be believed, Siakam is worth a superstar return, Barnes is untouchable, OG is worth 3 FRP's, and VanVleet and Trent are also worth a FRP and filler. If that is the value of those guys they should be much better than they are.

what do you think Sabonis and Fox are worth? Both have been on lotto teams the majority of their careers.

Raps problem is that they dont fit. One of the issues with drafting the BPA is that you get yourself in a position where you have 3 forwards and 2 guards, no on ball creator besides Siakam, no C, and weak shooting. It doesnt mean the players arent good. It means they fit terribly together

I never called Fox or Sabonis top 15 players

Well you should. Not fox, but Sabonis is absolutely a top 15 player in this league

[Mr Swagtastic]

I think Dallas should try and squeeze Trent out of this if they're trading literally everything they have to offer.

Siakam, Trent, filler
for
Bertans, Powell, Bullock, Green, Hardy, 3 1sts, 3 swaps sounds about right here

Luka/Trent/DFS/Siakam/Wood
Spencer/Pinson/THJ/??/JaVale

sign some forward depth and they've got this

The first offer is bad this is just insulting. Hardy may or may not turn into something. Bertans is a dumpster fire of a contract and isn't good. Bullock isn't good either and Green looks like a depth guy right now. The swaps offer zero value to Toronto for the first few years. The future firsts might pan but with Luka and Pascal plus Cubans deep pockets I don't take that risk

[Texas Chuck]

I understand the hesitation with a deal where all the value is in picks. It's high variance and it could lead to never getting a good asset out of it. I blame not one person for not wanting to trade Siakam to Dallas because they can't give you a single premium asset in return.

I do not understand this board's obsession with exaggerating how bad the return is in order to hate it more. It's just not necessary. Bertans and Bullock Jr are irrelevant to this deal. Bullock Jr could be flipped for a straight expiring without a 2nd thought and Bertans is due $20M after this year or about half what Siakam is due. Hardly an albatross.

[CraftylikeaFox]

what do you think Sabonis and Fox are worth? Both have been on lotto teams the majority of their careers.

Raps problem is that they dont fit. One of the issues with drafting the BPA is that you get yourself in a position where you have 3 forwards and 2 guards, no on ball creator besides Siakam, no C, and weak shooting. It doesnt mean the players arent good. It means they fit terribly together

I never called Fox or Sabonis top 15 players

Well you should. Not fox, but Sabonis is absolutely a top 15 player in this league

This is getting kind of off the rails, but my original comment was just a jab at the individual who said that the Raptors starting lineup is playing great, and the reason they have underachieved is because of the bench. I just thought that was funny because if you have a starting lineup like the Raptors, you shouldn't really even need to rely on your bench. The reason the Raptors aren't playing up to expectations is because, like you said, the starting unit doesn't fit well together.

It'll be interesting to see what the Raptors do. If they decide to blow the entire thing up then the Raptors will have an insane war chest to rebuilding with, but if they go the other direction I could easily see them becoming an overnight contender.

[Mr Swagtastic]

I understand the hesitation with a deal where all the value is in picks. It's high variance and it could lead to never getting a good asset out of it. I blame not one person for not wanting to trade Siakam to Dallas because they can't give you a single premium asset in return.

I do not understand this board's obsession with exaggerating how bad the return is in order to hate it more. It's just not necessary. Bertans and Bullock Jr are irrelevant to this deal. Bullock Jr could be flipped for a straight expiring without a 2nd thought and Bertans is due $20M after this year or about half what Siakam is due. Hardly an albatross.

He is what he is a terrible contract probably top 3 in the league. People harp on Boucher deals saying he's terrible or Freddy is a bad deal as well but when Bertans is putting up 4 ppg and making $17-$20 million a year for the next 3 years he's a guy to take on unnecessary cap space yeah he's a albatross nobody is wanting to pay that kind of money for him I honestly don't think anybody trades anything for him. This is just a terrible use of a preminum asset in Pascal

[Texas Chuck]

I understand the hesitation with a deal where all the value is in picks. It's high variance and it could lead to never getting a good asset out of it. I blame not one person for not wanting to trade Siakam to Dallas because they can't give you a single premium asset in return.

I do not understand this board's obsession with exaggerating how bad the return is in order to hate it more. It's just not necessary. Bertans and Bullock Jr are irrelevant to this deal. Bullock Jr could be flipped for a straight expiring without a 2nd thought and Bertans is due $20M after this year or about half what Siakam is due. Hardly an albatross.

He is what he is a terrible contract probably top 3 in the league. People harp on Boucher deals saying he's terrible or Freddy is a bad deal as well but when Bertans is putting up 4 ppg and making $17-$20 million a year for the next 3 years he's a guy to take on unnecessary cap space yeah he's a albatross nobody is wanting to pay that kind of money for him I honestly don't think anybody trades anything for him. This is just a terrible use of a preminum asset in Pascal

Sorry but you've been in multiple Siakam to Dallas threads where Bertans contract has been explained. For you to continue to represent it as 3/$60M when its 2/$22M after this season is exactly what I'm talking about here.

We all know he's not worth his money. But his contract is 1/3 of what you are making it out to be here.

[timani]

This is dreadfull. Dallas already have it's game-changer on offense. We need DEFENSE. Siakam doesn't bring you that. No shot to mortgaging our future in a huge overpay to a soon-to-be 29 years-old that wants a max contract and can't shoot threes. Barely efficient on offense with high usage that is a neutral on defense won't cut. Pass.

Anunoby on the other hand could be cheaper and better suited to us.

Couldn't agree with this more, especially if Dallas keeps Wood.

[Cappy_Smurf]

The fact Wolves paid what they did for Gobert, shouldn't set the price for other teams IMO, rather be a warning sign for them.

The biggest thing people want to ignore is that both Gobert and Mitchell were traded with multiple years left on their contract.

Now everybody expects a similar return for players with a single year left on their deal.

People need to stop pretending the length of the contract isn't significant, as it absolutely is.