ty 4191 wrote:70sFan wrote:You can say exactly the same thing about Kareem...
Was Kareem 290-320 lbs of muscle at his peak? Was he drafted by Hank Stram, HOF NFL Coach, mid career? (Wilt was).
Did Kareem set D-1 Track and field/decathlete records in college? Did he bench press 465 lbs in 1985, when he was 59? Did Arnold Schwarzenegger call Kareem "By far the strongest person I've ever met?"
Kareem was nowhere near the athlete and physical specimen was. And, you know it.
I tend to be on your side of thinking when it comes to discussion about league strength,but why should we care about the things you just listed? Ignoring the fact that the incredible vast majority of Wilt's athletic accomplishments are lies that have been debunked, including several alleged D1 records (or his 48 inch vertical

), him being an athletic marvel doesn't really mean anything to me.
If Wilt was as athletic as people thought he was, or rather,
if Wilt was as good as converting his athleticism into impact as people thought he was, he'd have been more successful throughout his career, especially considering he played in the most center friendly era in NBA history. But honestly I don't think his BBIQ was high enough to fully take advantage of his abilities.
Bill Russell is allegedly nowhere near as athletically gifted as Wilt or as talented and yet he took a fat dump on Wilt in terms of defensive impact, so much though that he either equaled or bettered Wilt's overall impact because of it.
So even if Kareem wasn't as athletically gifted as Wilt, I'm not sure why you think that's an automatic guarantee that he'd be worse... hell, Shaq **** on Kareem as an athlete, yet he's worse on both sides of the ball lol. David Robinson destroys Kareem as an athlete but is like 3 tiers below him offensively. Russell Westbrook destroys Steve Nash as an athlete and yet is nowhere near as good as him.
The only tangible athletic trait that really matters in determining top level basketball ability is height, or your ability to obtain height, I.E leaping ability, hence why the best perimeter players of all time are either the tallest or can jump the highest ( and even then, intangible athletic traits are still infinitely more important)
When you're already 7fter though explosive athleticism matters even less because you're realistically already as close to the rim as you need to be. Like, Sprinting and Weight Lifting are 99.99% tangible athleticism. Usain Bolt has literally fallen over to begin races and still won them, the skill requirement is ridiculously low and they're so few variables that the only thing that matters is your explosive athleticism. You can have **** technical ability and still be the best at your sport in the world. Basketball is the opposite.
I'm rambling now, but basically not only is Wilt's athleticism overrated but even if it wasn't, explosive athleticism is not synonymous with impact, especially when you're a big man, so I'm not sure why him being more of a marvel than Kareem ensures he'd be better than Kareem, especially considering he was less impactful than an inferior athlete like Russell in his own era.
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