What exactly are we doing with Ihart?

[KnixtapeH20]

You realize there were only a few guys today on our roster who had a positive +/- and he was one of them...

You realize shut the **** up

Isiah is terrible, your point is prolly worse lol

[KnixtapeH20]

Oh yea voted other

Thibs is a **** moron

[Luv those Knicks]

He is consistently positive. I don't see how he is "the problem"

Who are you quoting? I don't recall anyone saying he is "THE" problem. That said I think his play is "A" problem,despite the misleading +/- stats.

How is he a problem if he is consistently on the court when we are moving farther ahead rather than blowing the 20 point leads.

You made a thread to label him as someone we should move. I don't see it. I think we under-utilize him because he can rim protect and shoot. He could easily be putting up Bro-Pez type numbers. With Mitch having his injury history, we need depth at that position and Hart has very good advanced stats and has had a positive impact.

+/- can be a very misleading stat, especially for bench players. Even over an entire season it can be subject to variation. Hart comes in when the other team rests their best big man - so he has a better +/-. That doesn't make him good.

And I'm not saying he's terrible. I think a lot of teams probably don't have great backup centers. He hasn't been the help to the team that I thought he'd be when the Knicks signed him.

[dakomish23]

Trade him to DEN. He’d be a solid backup C for Jokic.

Just not the type of C we need

Jokic West + Jokic East
The United Jokic equals championship

Fine by me as long as we’re not playing them in the finals

They have a TPE they can use to absorb him outright.

I’ll take this pick as payment

2023 second round draft pick from Oklahoma City, Washington, Dallas or Miami
Oklahoma City will receive the most favorable of (i) its 2023 2nd round pick, (ii) Washington's 2023 2nd round pick and (iii) the more favorable of Dallas' 2023 2nd round pick and Miami's 2023 2nd round pick and Denver will receive the second most favorable and Charlotte will receive the least favorable of the three (via Washington to New Orleans to Oklahoma City; via Miami to Dallas to Oklahoma City; via Boston to New York to Charlotte; via Oklahoma City to Denver) [Dallas-Miami, 7/7/2017; New Orleans-Washington, 2/7/2019; Dallas-Memphis, 7/8/2019; Houston-Memphis, 2/6/2020; Boston-Memphis-Portland, 11/20/2020; Denver-Milwaukee-New Orleans-Oklahoma City, 11/23/2020; Dallas-Detroit-Oklahoma City, 11/27/2020; Brooklyn-Cleveland-Houston-Indiana, 1/16/2021; Boston-Oklahoma City, 6/18/2021; Boston-New York, 8/17/2021; Charlotte-New York, 6/23/2022; Denver-Oklahoma City, 6/23/2022]

[Luv those Knicks]

Trade him to DEN. He’d be a solid backup C for Jokic.

Just not the type of C we need

Jokic West + Jokic East
The United Jokic equals championship

Fine by me as long as we’re not playing them in the finals

They have a TPE they can use to absorb him outright.

I’ll take this pick as payment

2023 second round draft pick from Oklahoma City, Washington, Dallas or Miami
Oklahoma City will receive the most favorable of (i) its 2023 2nd round pick, (ii) Washington's 2023 2nd round pick and (iii) the more favorable of Dallas' 2023 2nd round pick and Miami's 2023 2nd round pick and Denver will receive the second most favorable and Charlotte will receive the least favorable of the three (via Washington to New Orleans to Oklahoma City; via Miami to Dallas to Oklahoma City; via Boston to New York to Charlotte; via Oklahoma City to Denver) [Dallas-Miami, 7/7/2017; New Orleans-Washington, 2/7/2019; Dallas-Memphis, 7/8/2019; Houston-Memphis, 2/6/2020; Boston-Memphis-Portland, 11/20/2020; Denver-Milwaukee-New Orleans-Oklahoma City, 11/23/2020; Dallas-Detroit-Oklahoma City, 11/27/2020; Brooklyn-Cleveland-Houston-Indiana, 1/16/2021; Boston-Oklahoma City, 6/18/2021; Boston-New York, 8/17/2021; Charlotte-New York, 6/23/2022; Denver-Oklahoma City, 6/23/2022]

If we get a TPE in the trade, my guess is the Knicks are the ones sending a 2nd round pick.

[gavran]

Some other reason - please elaborate.

[god shammgod]

suffering.....that's what we're doing....we're suffering

[dakomish23]

Jokic West + Jokic East
The United Jokic equals championship

Fine by me as long as we’re not playing them in the finals

They have a TPE they can use to absorb him outright.

I’ll take this pick as payment

2023 second round draft pick from Oklahoma City, Washington, Dallas or Miami
Oklahoma City will receive the most favorable of (i) its 2023 2nd round pick, (ii) Washington's 2023 2nd round pick and (iii) the more favorable of Dallas' 2023 2nd round pick and Miami's 2023 2nd round pick and Denver will receive the second most favorable and Charlotte will receive the least favorable of the three (via Washington to New Orleans to Oklahoma City; via Miami to Dallas to Oklahoma City; via Boston to New York to Charlotte; via Oklahoma City to Denver) [Dallas-Miami, 7/7/2017; New Orleans-Washington, 2/7/2019; Dallas-Memphis, 7/8/2019; Houston-Memphis, 2/6/2020; Boston-Memphis-Portland, 11/20/2020; Denver-Milwaukee-New Orleans-Oklahoma City, 11/23/2020; Dallas-Detroit-Oklahoma City, 11/27/2020; Brooklyn-Cleveland-Houston-Indiana, 1/16/2021; Boston-Oklahoma City, 6/18/2021; Boston-New York, 8/17/2021; Charlotte-New York, 6/23/2022; Denver-Oklahoma City, 6/23/2022]

If we get a TPE in the trade, my guess is the Knicks are the ones sending a 2nd round pick.

I assume they'd be paying b/c they're the ones getting the guy they could use. I'd understand if they were a tanking team and are just taking a salary dump

[Luv those Knicks]

Fine by me as long as we’re not playing them in the finals

They have a TPE they can use to absorb him outright.

I’ll take this pick as payment

If we get a TPE in the trade, my guess is the Knicks are the ones sending a 2nd round pick.

I assume they'd be paying b/c they're the ones getting the guy they could use. I'd understand if they were a tanking team and are just taking a salary dump

Even better. And it's just a 2 year contract, so not terrible cap wise.

[dakomish23]

If we get a TPE in the trade, my guess is the Knicks are the ones sending a 2nd round pick.

I assume they'd be paying b/c they're the ones getting the guy they could use. I'd understand if they were a tanking team and are just taking a salary dump

Even better. And it's just a 2 year contract, so not terrible cap wise.

Some guys on the trade board pointed out that DEN is very adverse to paying the tax so we might have to take some guys back instead. Jeff Green? Idk. Sucks b/c this is kind of a slam dunk to both teams.

[The Lamma]

Trade him to DEN. He’d be a solid backup C for Jokic.

Just not the type of C we need

Jokic West + Jokic East
The United Jokic equals championship

Fine by me as long as we’re not playing them in the finals

They have a TPE they can use to absorb him outright.

I’ll take this pick as payment

2023 second round draft pick from Oklahoma City, Washington, Dallas or Miami
Oklahoma City will receive the most favorable of (i) its 2023 2nd round pick, (ii) Washington's 2023 2nd round pick and (iii) the more favorable of Dallas' 2023 2nd round pick and Miami's 2023 2nd round pick and Denver will receive the second most favorable and Charlotte will receive the least favorable of the three (via Washington to New Orleans to Oklahoma City; via Miami to Dallas to Oklahoma City; via Boston to New York to Charlotte; via Oklahoma City to Denver) [Dallas-Miami, 7/7/2017; New Orleans-Washington, 2/7/2019; Dallas-Memphis, 7/8/2019; Houston-Memphis, 2/6/2020; Boston-Memphis-Portland, 11/20/2020; Denver-Milwaukee-New Orleans-Oklahoma City, 11/23/2020; Dallas-Detroit-Oklahoma City, 11/27/2020; Brooklyn-Cleveland-Houston-Indiana, 1/16/2021; Boston-Oklahoma City, 6/18/2021; Boston-New York, 8/17/2021; Charlotte-New York, 6/23/2022; Denver-Oklahoma City, 6/23/2022]

I've brought in a specialist to decipher the precise worth of that draft pick

[nykballa2k4]

Who are you quoting? I don't recall anyone saying he is "THE" problem. That said I think his play is "A" problem,despite the misleading +/- stats.

How is he a problem if he is consistently on the court when we are moving farther ahead rather than blowing the 20 point leads.

You made a thread to label him as someone we should move. I don't see it. I think we under-utilize him because he can rim protect and shoot. He could easily be putting up Bro-Pez type numbers. With Mitch having his injury history, we need depth at that position and Hart has very good advanced stats and has had a positive impact.

+/- can be a very misleading stat, especially for bench players. Even over an entire season it can be subject to variation. Hart comes in when the other team rests their best big man - so he has a better +/-. That doesn't make him good.

And I'm not saying he's terrible. I think a lot of teams probably don't have great backup centers. He hasn't been the help to the team that I thought he'd be when the Knicks signed him.

Well looks like with Mitch out that we are going to find a bit more out...

I agree that +/- is bad as an end-all-be-all, but in evaluating someone in their current role vs elimination I think it is reliable over time. If Hart is always + against every teams back up center, that makes him an above average back up.

I understand that Sims is more athletic and more exciting, but over the past years there is a considerable amount of tape showing Hart making good reads on defense and good contests at the rim. IIRC before the season he had a high rating in a stat that shows rim protection. It is a disappointment that we are not seeing more pick and pop, but that's just not what we do I suppose...

[GONYK]

I think the problems with IHart are twofold:

1. We aren't using him correctly. He thrived in LAC as a playmaker out of the high post and a nice pick and pop option. We don't allow him to do either of these things under a Thibs offense.

2. He's just way too soft to play the role we do have him in.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I think the problems with IHart are twofold:

1. We aren't using him correctly. He thrived in LAC as a playmaker out of the high post and a nice pick and pop option. We don't allow him to do either of these things under a Thibs offense.

2. He's just way too soft to play the role we do have him in.

Technically it's one fold. Thibs sucks. End of story.

[RHODEY]

How is he a problem if he is consistently on the court when we are moving farther ahead rather than blowing the 20 point leads.

You made a thread to label him as someone we should move. I don't see it. I think we under-utilize him because he can rim protect and shoot. He could easily be putting up Bro-Pez type numbers. With Mitch having his injury history, we need depth at that position and Hart has very good advanced stats and has had a positive impact.

+/- can be a very misleading stat, especially for bench players. Even over an entire season it can be subject to variation. Hart comes in when the other team rests their best big man - so he has a better +/-. That doesn't make him good.

And I'm not saying he's terrible. I think a lot of teams probably don't have great backup centers. He hasn't been the help to the team that I thought he'd be when the Knicks signed him.

Well looks like with Mitch out that we are going to find a bit more out...

I agree that +/- is bad as an end-all-be-all, but in evaluating someone in their current role vs elimination I think it is reliable over time. If Hart is always + against every teams back up center, that makes him an above average back up.

I understand that Sims is more athletic and more exciting, but over the past years there is a considerable amount of tape showing Hart making good reads on defense and good contests at the rim. IIRC before the season he had a high rating in a stat that shows rim protection. It is a disappointment that we are not seeing more pick and pop, but that's just not what we do I suppose...

I watched a bit of IHart when he played for the Clippers and he was significantly better. Ofcourse they play a different style , but even physically he looked quicker with an really high motor. I hope he can reclaim some of that mojo, we really need it now.

[robillionaire]

I think the problems with IHart are twofold:

1. We aren't using him correctly. He thrived in LAC as a playmaker out of the high post and a nice pick and pop option. We don't allow him to do either of these things under a Thibs offense.

2. He's just way too soft to play the role we do have him in.

That’s why I picked other, because he’s not being used in a way that optimizes his ability. But maybe trying to optimize Hartenstein isn’t a top priority and that’s understandable I guess

But obviously when you’re relying on street clothes mcgee as a starter you need a lot of bigs on the roster

[8516knicks]

You realize there were only a few guys today on our roster who had a positive +/- and he was one of them...

I haven't seen a lot of games this season so I'm sure all the posters down on him have good points however it does seem many times i look and his plus/minus is positive, especially relative to most of the team. What gives with that?? I have no idea. His box office totals also often seem decent for the minutes he gets. Can this be laid on Thibs' responsiblity at all? Is he using him to best advantage??

[Fat Kat]

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[KnixtapeH20]

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That's a lot of words to say that he sucks

[nykballa2k4]

I mean, despite the 3 blocks not a strong showing today.