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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#1021 » by JShuttlesworth » Fri Jan 20, 2023 3:16 pm

I personally like Jett Howard, I have him comfortably in my Top 10, and I think he would be a great fit on our team
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#1022 » by God Squad » Fri Jan 20, 2023 3:53 pm

Which player in the top 10 do you want the Raptors to avoid? Either you don't see it with them, or think there at better options. For me it's the Twins. I just don't know what to make of the footage I've seen. The combine/workouts are going to be huge for them IMO. They have the potential to either solidify themselves at the top, or freefall if they don't stack up against other prospects.

With that said I'm keeping a close eye on Amen in particular. That first step alone, along with this athleticism might make for an exciting prospect.
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#1023 » by WuTang_CMB » Fri Jan 20, 2023 4:04 pm

JShuttlesworth wrote:I personally like Jett Howard, I have him comfortably in my Top 10, and I think he would be a great fit on our team


problem is his defense
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#1024 » by WuTang_CMB » Fri Jan 20, 2023 4:06 pm

God Squad wrote:Which player in the top 10 do you want the Raptors to avoid? Either you don't see it with them, or think there at better options. For me it's the Twins. I just don't know what to make of the footage I've seen. The combine/workouts are going to be huge for them IMO. They have the potential to either solidify themselves at the top, or freefall if they don't stack up against other prospects.

With that said I'm keeping a close eye on Amen in particular. That first step alone, along with this athleticism might make for an exciting prospect.


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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#1025 » by grant101 » Fri Jan 20, 2023 4:09 pm

God Squad wrote:Which player in the top 10 do you want the Raptors to avoid? Either you don't see it with them, or think there at better options. For me it's the Twins. I just don't know what to make of the footage I've seen. The combine/workouts are going to be huge for them IMO. They have the potential to either solidify themselves at the top, or freefall if they don't stack up against other prospects.

With that said I'm keeping a close eye on Amen in particular. That first step alone, along with this athleticism might make for an exciting prospect.


For me it's Nick Smith. He could very well prove me wrong, but if his shooting isn't elite (which it wasn't during his brief stint), I'm not sure how much value he adds. He's super quick, but rarely gets all the way to the basket or creates much room for himself and is average at best when it comes to playmaking and defense. At the moment, I don't see much separating him from Terquavion Smith, who I like, but only later in the lottery (NSJ is a better defender and possibly passer, but Terq is arguably more explosive and a better shooter).
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#1026 » by ATLTimekeeper » Fri Jan 20, 2023 4:15 pm

Top 10 will look much different at draft time. For me only Wemby, Scoot and Miller are locks. Thompsons are a good bet. I'm not liking Whitmore. I would pass on George, but I don't think he's a bust or anything like that.
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#1027 » by Rapsfan07 » Fri Jan 20, 2023 4:35 pm

God Squad wrote:Which player in the top 10 do you want the Raptors to avoid? Either you don't see it with them, or think there at better options. For me it's the Twins. I just don't know what to make of the footage I've seen. The combine/workouts are going to be huge for them IMO. They have the potential to either solidify themselves at the top, or freefall if they don't stack up against other prospects.

With that said I'm keeping a close eye on Amen in particular. That first step alone, along with this athleticism might make for an exciting prospect.


I don't think Amen gets past 5.

Having followed the draft for a little while now, I can tell you that if he shows in workouts that he even has the vague possibility of being an average shooter, he will go in the Top 5. These quick twitch, athletic PGs are every team's dream and Amen is a Top 1% athlete, if nothing else.

The prospect I could see sliding, as I said before is Nick Smith. Workouts and combine are going to be huge for him but teams are almost always going to go with the guys who actually showed in-game for long periods of time that they can ball out over a guy who just did well in workouts and combine.
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#1028 » by JShuttlesworth » Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:23 pm

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JShuttlesworth wrote:I personally like Jett Howard, I have him comfortably in my Top 10, and I think he would be a great fit on our team


problem is his defense


Is he that bad?

I need to watch more full games of theirs, but from what I've seen I don't look at him and think his defensive upside is limited
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#1029 » by WuTang_CMB » Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:26 pm

JShuttlesworth wrote:
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JShuttlesworth wrote:I personally like Jett Howard, I have him comfortably in my Top 10, and I think he would be a great fit on our team


problem is his defense


Is he that bad?

I need to watch more full games of theirs, but from what I've seen I don't look at him and think his defensive upside is limited


Ya not that good man on man. Gets burned. Have a hard time seeing we’d draft him cuz of it.
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#1030 » by Kevin Willis » Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:28 pm

Nick Smith is your typical scoring combo guard. He's not explosive Morant or Donovan. He's not as shifty as Iverson or Crawford. Still if he could be a taller CJ McCollum with better defense he's worthy of a top 5. He still averaged 19 pts being rusty on a talented team. His shot was rusty but he's legit near the top.
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#1031 » by Rapsfan07 » Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:35 pm

Kevin Willis wrote:Nick Smith is your typical scoring combo guard. He's not explosive Morant or Donovan. He's not as shifty as Iverson or Crawford. Still if he could be a taller CJ McCollum with better defense he's worthy of a top 5. He still averaged 19 pts being rusty on a talented team. His shot was rusty but he's legit near the top.


Yeah I agree. He could end up being the steal of the draft if he goes anywhere past 10. I just don't know what to expect from him since I haven't seen him play much.
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#1032 » by PhilBlackson » Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:51 pm

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Kevin Willis wrote:Nick Smith is your typical scoring combo guard. He's not explosive Morant or Donovan. He's not as shifty as Iverson or Crawford. Still if he could be a taller CJ McCollum with better defense he's worthy of a top 5. He still averaged 19 pts being rusty on a talented team. His shot was rusty but he's legit near the top.


Yeah I agree. He could end up being the steal of the draft if he goes anywhere past 10. I just don't know what to expect from him since I haven't seen him play much.


Idk when I watch Nick Smith something about his game just reminds me of Bones Hyland or Tyler Herro. Who I guess are decent players that can help your scoring punch but weak ass defence that I don't even know if the trade off really balances out unless they're cooking...personally I'm not seeing and would pass on him, I like both George & Wallace as SGs more than him personally.

But all this potential NOP trade talks & talking about targeting Murphy has me dreaming about what it would be like to draft him & Miller...these 2 with Scottie long term would just be lights out (he'd start understanding how Draymond feels to have shooters around him lol obv not level but still the spacing & the ball movement would likely go way up).


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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#1033 » by Kevin Willis » Fri Jan 20, 2023 6:21 pm

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Rapsfan07 wrote:
Kevin Willis wrote:Nick Smith is your typical scoring combo guard. He's not explosive Morant or Donovan. He's not as shifty as Iverson or Crawford. Still if he could be a taller CJ McCollum with better defense he's worthy of a top 5. He still averaged 19 pts being rusty on a talented team. His shot was rusty but he's legit near the top.


Yeah I agree. He could end up being the steal of the draft if he goes anywhere past 10. I just don't know what to expect from him since I haven't seen him play much.


Idk when I watch Nick Smith something about his game just reminds me of Bones Hyland or Tyler Herro. Who I guess are decent players that can help your scoring punch but weak ass defence that I don't even know if the trade off really balances out unless they're cooking...personally I'm not seeing and would pass on him, I like both George & Wallace as SGs more than him personally.

But all this potential NOP trade talks & talking about targeting Murphy has me dreaming about what it would be like to draft him & Miller...these 2 with Scottie long term would just be lights out (he'd start understanding how Draymond feels to have shooters around him lol obv not level but still the spacing & the ball movement would likely go way up).




I think George & Wallace are just the flavour right now. Nick Smith is actually a disruptive defender when healthy. I can see Bones Hyland. A taller, more aggressive Bones Hyland is pretty, pretty good. Saying all that I wouldn't draft him, it just sounded like he was being dismissed. I would draft Miller over him.
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#1034 » by WuTang_CMB » Fri Jan 20, 2023 6:43 pm

Amen vs Ausur is interesting debate. If Ausur develops a shot, he's the better prospect in my mind. Amen is way behind him in that regard. If you can't shoot in this modern day league, you are going to have a tough time. These guys arent scottie barnes
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#1035 » by Los_29 » Fri Jan 20, 2023 6:57 pm

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God Squad wrote:Which player in the top 10 do you want the Raptors to avoid? Either you don't see it with them, or think there at better options. For me it's the Twins. I just don't know what to make of the footage I've seen. The combine/workouts are going to be huge for them IMO. They have the potential to either solidify themselves at the top, or freefall if they don't stack up against other prospects.

With that said I'm keeping a close eye on Amen in particular. That first step alone, along with this athleticism might make for an exciting prospect.


I don't think Amen gets past 5.

Having followed the draft for a little while now, I can tell you that if he shows in workouts that he even has the vague possibility of being an average shooter, he will go in the Top 5. These quick twitch, athletic PGs are every team's dream and Amen is a Top 1% athlete, if nothing else.

The prospect I could see sliding, as I said before is Nick Smith. Workouts and combine are going to be huge for him but teams are almost always going to go with the guys who actually showed in-game for long periods of time that they can ball out over a guy who just did well in workouts and combine.


I agree, providing his jumper isn't broken, I don't see him getting out of the top 5. He's such a gifted athlete with a ton of talent. He also has huge defensive upside in my opinion. His steal and block rates are phenomenal and he seems to have a great feel for the game despite being so young.
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#1036 » by WuTang_CMB » Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:21 pm

I wasn't enamored last year and my stance hasn't changed. I don't like his game.

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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#1037 » by God Squad » Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:33 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:I wasn't enamored last year and my stance hasn't changed. I don't like his game.

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Same. Was never "enamored" with his game. I'm not even looking his direction with either of our picks.
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Post#1038 » by HumbleRen » Sat Jan 21, 2023 4:24 am

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Post#1039 » by Psubs » Sat Jan 21, 2023 6:53 am

I want A.Tubelis with the 2nd pick or a late 1st. He seems like Vucevic / Valanciunas.
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#1040 » by ATLTimekeeper » Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:17 pm

God Squad wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:I wasn't enamored last year and my stance hasn't changed. I don't like his game.

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Same. Was never "enamored" with his game. I'm not even looking his direction with either of our picks.


I only caught one game this year, but I have the opposite opinion and think he's undervalued in mocks right now. Quality of competition is garbage, for sure, so his numbers aren't all that important, but I think he makes a lot of good reads off the dribble and he's pretty gifted around the basket and finishing through contact for a skinny guy. His shot mechanics aren't very good. Reminds me a bit of Kyle Kuzma.

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