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Re: GT: Nets @ Suns 1/19 10:30pm (TNT) 

Post#41 » by NetsWorld » Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:02 pm

therealbig3 wrote:Every single time it’s “Kyrie + role players”, we are a losing team. Not just a losing team, a straight up bad team actually.

He’s not a winning player. And this is why KD demanded a trade last time, because when he was out this team couldn’t do **** without him.


Sadly, Marks has until February to address and shore up weaknesses to fine tune the team. I really hope he is not sabotaging this team; perhaps he knows his time is out and is a goner. With the news from Scotto that Kyrie will probably get extended soon, it seems as though KD/Kyrie won the real war against Marks and he is gone. This is what's concerning; last year, Kyrie sabotaged our season, Marks seems to be doing the same this year without making any moves. I hope I am wrong.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Suns 1/19 10:30pm (TNT) 

Post#42 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:23 pm

If anyone didn't think Kevin Durant wasn't an MVP candidate before, they will now.

This is a disgrace. And the blame lies everywhere. We're not playing the team basketball that got us into the top 2, nor are we defending worth a damn. Kyrie has been horrible, and Ben isn't stepping up. Vaughn needs to light a fire in these guys asses or it's gonna get even worse. We can kiss any chance of being the #1 seed goodbye now

The sooner the Nets ship Cam Thomas out of here, the better. And frankly, he shouldn't be the only one getting moved. Joe has been complete garbage
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Re: GT: Nets @ Suns 1/19 10:30pm (TNT) 

Post#43 » by TheNetsFan » Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:27 pm

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you serious? it is not just one man this team have more issues to be solved


Nets have to cut the dead weight and trade for someone who the defense gravitates towards. Chicago isn't playing well, why not look at Vucevic in the post and try and trade for Derozan or Lavine? Nets can trade the pick and future picks along with Cam, Edwards, Sharpe and Mills. I think it's a fair deal and would give the Nets a big and someone who other teams have to guard considering Lavine can score and it allows our role players to operate efficiently.

Who are you taking off the floor for Vuc? Will another midrange specialist like DeRozan really help when KD and Kyrie are both on the floor? LaVine is intriguing but frequently hurt and very overpaid.

This team is built to compliment KD, not step up in his absence.

I don't love the fit and hate the contract, but one potentially reasonably priced player likely to be available fairly inexpensively is Rozier. He can create a bit, get his own and possibly get back to playing competent defense if on a decent team. I'd prefer a guard with size, but there's not many out there.
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Post#44 » by NetsWorld » Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:45 pm

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you serious? it is not just one man this team have more issues to be solved


Nets have to cut the dead weight and trade for someone who the defense gravitates towards. Chicago isn't playing well, why not look at Vucevic in the post and try and trade for Derozan or Lavine? Nets can trade the pick and future picks along with Cam, Edwards, Sharpe and Mills. I think it's a fair deal and would give the Nets a big and someone who other teams have to guard considering Lavine can score and it allows our role players to operate efficiently.

Who are you taking off the floor for Vuc? Will another midrange specialist like DeRozan really help when KD and Kyrie are both on the floor? LaVine is intriguing but frequently hurt and very overpaid.

This team is built to compliment KD, not step up in his absence.

I don't love the fit and hate the contract, but one potentially reasonably priced player likely to be available fairly inexpensively is Rozier. He can create a bit, get his own and possibly get back to playing competent defense if on a decent team. I'd prefer a guard with size, but there's not many out there.


The team needs to learn to win without him; I think Vucevic would still be a realistic trade target and then perhaps we can nab someone in the buyout market in March. Nets HAVE TO DO something to get this team to not only complement KD but WIN WITHOUT him. Marks needs to really step up.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Suns 1/19 10:30pm (TNT) 

Post#45 » by Stone » Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:46 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:If anyone didn't think Kevin Durant wasn't an MVP candidate before, they will now.

This is a disgrace. And the blame lies everywhere

The sooner the Nets ship Cam Thomas out of here, the better. And frankly, he shouldn't be the only one getting moved.


Agreed, Kevin made everyone better. As opposed to Ky who has some impact but not nearly enough to carry a team. It is fair to say that he is a great second banana and excels in that roll.

We are in a real danger zone now. Someone threw out a stat last season during that losing streak and it was something along the lines of , no team has ever won a championship and has lost more that six straight in that season. We are at four now and we need need to stop the bleeding.

Even after being embarrassingly exposed, there are many reasons to be hopeful. Winning cures everything.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Suns 1/19 10:30pm (TNT) 

Post#46 » by Hello Brooklyn » Fri Jan 20, 2023 3:41 pm

That loss was on Vaughn.

Our defense was horrific. We looked clueless all game. Kept letting Ayton get whatever he wanted.

The rebounding issue is getting far worse. We HAVE to get a backup Center. This is just malpractice on Marks part.

Kyrie was also awful until the 4th.

4 losses and 3 of them against bad teams is just pathetic. This year is eerily similar to last year. Just a total collapse without KD.

Every game is a new mistake. If the shooting is back then our defense collapses.

It all turns around with a win. But I've given up at this point.

There is no reason for us to be the worst team in the league. Yet somehow we are.
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Post#47 » by TheNetsFan » Fri Jan 20, 2023 4:22 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:That loss was on Vaughn.

Our defense was horrific. We looked clueless all game. Kept letting Ayton get whatever he wanted.

The rebounding issue is getting far worse. We HAVE to get a backup Center. This is just malpractice on Marks part.

Kyrie was also awful until the 4th.

4 losses and 3 of them against bad teams is just pathetic. This year is eerily similar to last year. Just a total collapse without KD.

Every game is a new mistake. If the shooting is back then our defense collapses.

It all turns around with a win. But I've given up at this point.

There is no reason for us to be the worst team in the league. Yet somehow we are.

The rebounding issues will not get fixed with a backup center. The issues are due to system (overhelping, leaking out too early), effort & discipline (failure to box out as a team). Throwing Andre Drummond or some other backup C in for 15 minutes a game does not fix the rebounding woes. We switch too much, our bigs try and block everything, and our munchkin guards don't crash the boards, so we're never in a position to rebound.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Suns 1/19 10:30pm (TNT) 

Post#48 » by Hello Brooklyn » Fri Jan 20, 2023 4:37 pm

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Hello Brooklyn wrote:That loss was on Vaughn.

Our defense was horrific. We looked clueless all game. Kept letting Ayton get whatever he wanted.

The rebounding issue is getting far worse. We HAVE to get a backup Center. This is just malpractice on Marks part.

Kyrie was also awful until the 4th.

4 losses and 3 of them against bad teams is just pathetic. This year is eerily similar to last year. Just a total collapse without KD.

Every game is a new mistake. If the shooting is back then our defense collapses.

It all turns around with a win. But I've given up at this point.

There is no reason for us to be the worst team in the league. Yet somehow we are.

The rebounding issues will not get fixed with a backup center. The issues are due to system (overhelping, leaking out too early), effort & discipline (failure to box out as a team). Throwing Andre Drummond or some other backup C in for 15 minutes a game does not fix the rebounding woes. We switch too much, our bigs try and block everything, and our munchkin guards don't crash the boards, so we're never in a position to rebound.


I agree. But it will help.

When Claxton is out our rebounding issues get much worse.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Suns 1/19 10:30pm (TNT) 

Post#49 » by 3pt_chucker » Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:19 pm

This whole franchise just leans on KD. Marks, JV etc etc are all propped up by his greatness. Simple as that
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Post#50 » by OfficialRef » Fri Jan 20, 2023 6:09 pm

The FO has to do something straight up. They can't afford to do nothing and repeat what happened next year.

They have to make a move within the next 2 weeks. Theres no point to any of this if KD comes back to a playin team and we get another first round exit.
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Post#51 » by CalamityX12 » Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:11 pm

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Post#52 » by 3pt_chucker » Fri Jan 20, 2023 8:17 pm

Franchise would be in a better spot if Tsai had just fired Nash and Marks in the offseason.

Imagine what this roster would look like if we had someone like Memphis' GM who actually prioritizes size and not midget guards.
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Post#53 » by OfficialRef » Fri Jan 20, 2023 8:32 pm

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Hello Brooklyn wrote:That loss was on Vaughn.

Our defense was horrific. We looked clueless all game. Kept letting Ayton get whatever he wanted.

The rebounding issue is getting far worse. We HAVE to get a backup Center. This is just malpractice on Marks part.

Kyrie was also awful until the 4th.

4 losses and 3 of them against bad teams is just pathetic. This year is eerily similar to last year. Just a total collapse without KD.

Every game is a new mistake. If the shooting is back then our defense collapses.

It all turns around with a win. But I've given up at this point.

There is no reason for us to be the worst team in the league. Yet somehow we are.

The rebounding issues will not get fixed with a backup center. The issues are due to system (overhelping, leaking out too early), effort & discipline (failure to box out as a team). Throwing Andre Drummond or some other backup C in for 15 minutes a game does not fix the rebounding woes. We switch too much, our bigs try and block everything, and our munchkin guards don't crash the boards, so we're never in a position to rebound.

We were a decent rebounding team last year with more mini guards and relatively same defensive strategy.

I have no clue why Claxton switches so many times on the perimeter. Its a question I've always wondered but it looks like at times he willingly tries to get the switch as if he wants to guard the perimeter guy. This throws our rebounding into utter ****.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Suns 1/19 10:30pm (TNT) 

Post#54 » by Hello Brooklyn » Fri Jan 20, 2023 10:48 pm

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Hello Brooklyn wrote:That loss was on Vaughn.

Our defense was horrific. We looked clueless all game. Kept letting Ayton get whatever he wanted.

The rebounding issue is getting far worse. We HAVE to get a backup Center. This is just malpractice on Marks part.

Kyrie was also awful until the 4th.

4 losses and 3 of them against bad teams is just pathetic. This year is eerily similar to last year. Just a total collapse without KD.

Every game is a new mistake. If the shooting is back then our defense collapses.

It all turns around with a win. But I've given up at this point.

There is no reason for us to be the worst team in the league. Yet somehow we are.

The rebounding issues will not get fixed with a backup center. The issues are due to system (overhelping, leaking out too early), effort & discipline (failure to box out as a team). Throwing Andre Drummond or some other backup C in for 15 minutes a game does not fix the rebounding woes. We switch too much, our bigs try and block everything, and our munchkin guards don't crash the boards, so we're never in a position to rebound.

We were a decent rebounding team last year with more mini guards and relatively same defensive strategy.

I have no clue why Claxton switches so many times on the perimeter. Its a question I've always wondered but it looks like at times he willingly tries to get the switch as if he wants to guard the perimeter guy. This throws our rebounding into utter ****.


I agree. Claxton needs to stop switching all the time.

We know he can do it but its often more valuable to have at the rim. With KD out it becomes even more important.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Suns 1/19 10:30pm (TNT) 

Post#55 » by ChuckS » Fri Jan 20, 2023 10:48 pm

OfficialRef wrote:The FO has to do something straight up. They can't afford to do nothing and repeat what happened next year.

They have to make a move within the next 2 weeks. Theres no point to any of this if KD comes back to a playin team and we get another first round exit.



I totally agree, and think something will be done. My fear is that it might have to be just picking up free agents that no one has wanted since they have been available, or trade for less than we would prefer.

After reading the recent opinions herein about our tradable supporting cast members, I do not understand why Marks has been so criticized for having been unable to already "turn water into wine". Shouldn't every GM, coach, or owner, be at least as smart as the average fan?

I think Marks is a good GM and will work to find a combination that a team might find acceptable for an above average big or wing. But, if not, I will not fault him for settling for the likes of Whiteside or Cousins, if he thinks they can still contribute.

I always thought that, if he had his druthers, and absent our luxury tax constraints, we could have had Kuzma and/or KCP in the Dinwiddy trade. Because of this tax situation, and lack of available draft picks, I also can't fault him for our current supporting cast, It has been better than I expected.

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