Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition

[shangrila]

Who do you think it takes? I'm probably quite a ways off

I don't think we have what it takes.

Simmons' value is likely somewhere inbetween DLo and KAT/Gobert/Edwards, and making up the difference likely isn't worth it for us.

[shangrila]

Would Naz and Nowell for Ibaka tidy up our defense and give us a vet presence? Just dont want to waste these 2 for nothing...

Ibaka looks cooked, I wouldn't bother.

[shrink]

Ben Simmons FGAs this year: 113
Ben Simmons PF’s this year: 119

Yep, he commits more personal fouls than shot attempts.

And remember how Simmons avoid dunking a ball in the playoffs, because he was so scared of being fouled and messing up at the free throw line? His FT% is even worse. This year, he’s shooting .. 43.1%!

Ben Simmons is not the answer. He is not the defensive player he was before.

[shrink]

I really think KAT is gone this offseason

I would be shocked, for two pretty big reasons:

1. The Gobert trade was for our longterm improvement. I doubt by this summer, Connelly would have enough of a sample of their play together to publicly go back on his giant trade.

2. Minnesota doesn’t draw stars in free agency, and even if we trade for one, who knows how soon they’d want out? Towns has star level talent he wants to be here, and he’s under team control for four more seasons. I can’t think of a single player we could trade him for that checks those three boxes.

[shrink]

If we can't trade Dlo, I hope he accepts a 6th man role. Slomo has been too valuable to bench when Kat comes back. Let's embrace the huge lineup.
Slomo-Ant-Jaden-Kat-Rudy.

I agree. I think the most likely scenario is that he gets traded, but I’m starting to believe that we might sign him to a big, one year extension rather than let him simply walk away in free agency. He would have to agree to play the Nowell role and be a spot starter to get that big one-year number. I’m not sure he would, because it would change the way the nba thought about him (not a starting PG), and affect his future earnings, but he might want to stay.

I agree, right now keeping SloMo with the starters is important, and I think the team needs Jaden out there a lot more than they need DLo.

[moss_is_1]

I really think KAT is gone this offseason

I would be shocked, for two pretty big reasons:

1. The Gobert trade was for our longterm improvement. I doubt by this summer, Connelly would have enough of a sample of their play together to publicly go back on his giant trade.

2. Minnesota doesn’t draw stars in free agency, and even if we trade for one, who knows how soon they’d want out? Towns has star level talent he wants to be here, and he’s under team control for four more seasons. I can’t think of a single player we could trade him for that checks those three boxes.

Agreed. If we move KAT what is the goal? Better fitting pieces+picks? What are the odds that any of those picks is a player as good as KAT? Maybe you can argue that we get pieces next to Ant, Gobert, Jaden that fit better than Kat, but I think we have to give it a legit shot.

[Domejandro]

Ben Simmons FGAs this year: 113
Ben Simmons PF’s this year: 119

Yep, he commits more personal fouls than shot attempts.

And remember how Simmons avoid dunking a ball in the playoffs, because he was so scared of being fouled and messing up at the free throw line? His FT% is even worse. This year, he’s shooting .. 43.1%!

Ben Simmons is not the answer. He is not the defensive player he was before.

Personally, I probably wouldn’t trade for him at this point because the fit between him and Rudy Gobert concerns me, but that man legitimately makes Jaden McDaniels’ ticky tack fouls look flagrant. I have absolutely no idea why he gets called for fouls like 40% of the time in the the games I’ve watched, it’s unbelievably bizarre.

[wolves_89]

Would Naz and Nowell for Ibaka tidy up our defense and give us a vet presence? Just dont want to waste these 2 for nothing...

Trading Naz or Nowell for Ibaka is basically getting nothing in return. At this point both Naz and Jaylen are far more valuable players on the court than Serge.

[minimus]

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Would love to get Oladipo, but his 8.5 mil salary makes any trade from MIN side almost impossible

[Danimals]

Dlo, Reid, Nowell for Lowry and Oladipo

[TimberKat]

Would love to get Oladipo, but his 8.5 mil salary makes any trade from MIN side almost impossible

Here is one that may work: DLo +Reid + WMJr (~35.6M) for KLowry + Oladipo (~37M). We get the win now pg + 3pt + D help. Heats gets a younger, bigger, and cap relieve. Under no condition should JMac be part of the conversation

[thinktank]

Would love to get Oladipo, but his 8.5 mil salary makes any trade from MIN side almost impossible

Here is one that may work: DLo +Reid + WMJr (~35.6M) for KLowry + Oladipo (~37M). We get the win now pg + 3pt + D help. Heats gets a younger, bigger, and cap relieve. Under no condition should JMac be part of the conversation

I would seriously crap my pants if we could pull that off.

[cmoss84]

Love the above Miami trade...but also really like the notion of Conley and his familiarity with Gobert. Would something like this work?
Conley + NAW + Gay
Dlo + Naz + Nowell

Or, if they able to resign Naz, replace him with Forbes in the deal.

[shrink]

Can someone tell me more about Oladipo’s overall defense?

Getting steals (or blocks) doesn’t always mean a good defender. It could mean a gambler.

[TimberKat]

Love the above Miami trade...but also really like the notion of Conley and his familiarity with Gobert. Would something like this work?
Conley + NAW + Gay
Dlo + Naz + Nowell

Or, if they able to resign Naz, replace him with Forbes in the deal.

I think the Conley for DLo could had been done as part of the Gobert package. As it stands now, Ainge will be asking for too much for it to happen. Jazz would save salary for next year packaged with Gay or THT. I think it would be last second trade deadline deal as Ainge looks for best offer. The good news maybe I don't see other teams trade for Conley given he has 1 more year remain on his current contract. Maybe SAC looking for vet for the playoff run. Lakers is better off with Westbrook off the bench. Suns could package Crowder+Saric+pick. NYK could move Rose but don't feel Conley would move the needle for them.

[Note30]

Can someone tell me more about Oladipo’s overall defense?

Getting steals (or blocks) doesn’t always mean a good defender. It could mean a gambler.

He's good at guarding guys smaller than him. Is active on help but makes consistent mistakes on rotations

[old school 34]

Trading to keep the salary slot open...I feel is a very dangerous game...understand the logic, but if say it's Lowery or Conley...we're not resigning them right...do we have anymore to offer next year as sweetener to turn that into something useful, not sure? Ultimately, if what your getting back for DLo is mid-level production...are you just not better to take that leap now vs kicking it down the road another year?

That said, if I was to take that path...imo, it's incumbent to get some flyer type in addition (ie--NAW, Rui, Gabe Vincent, or any kind of draft capital regardless of how small)...just something besides just the overpaid vet...while potentially very helpful in the immediate future...that guy becomes very short sighted very quickly. My dream scenario for DLo is still Rosas convincing NY to make him their long-term SG & getting IQ back & whatever filler necessary.

Also, something to note...if they go the kick the slot down the road path...you might as well trade Naz (assuming your keeping KAT & Rudy for at least another year which I can't see them walking from when at best they maybe get 35 games together this year) & even Nowell for whatever you can get...because with the DLo slot on the books...we can't resign them, plus add mid-level without going over lux, correct?

Lastly, non-DLo trade idea...if say you're thinking longer term...while this deal doesn't help you immediately this year, but could be helpful as soon as next year?

GSW gets Naz, TP, & Forbes

Min gets Wiseman & Moody

GSW gets some vets & valuable rotation guys while saving a 2M.

Wolves rolls dice on Wiseman develops into Rudy replacement & Moody gets us a potential shooter that will be able to play some D as well as he matures?

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[younggunsmn]

I don't necessarily think keeping the salary slot means spending it on one player.
It could be finding 2 contributors. If we trade D-Lo I'd love to get someone like Alec Burks who can both defend and shoot in the 10-15 mil range to add to our backcourt rotation and extend him.

Wolves In: Burks + 20 mil player from 3rd/4th team
Det In: Russell + pick from 3rd team
3rd team In: Bogdanovic

[Colbinii]

Why does Oladipo come here? He has a No-Trade-Clause.

[Neeva]

I really think KAT is gone this offseason

I would be shocked, for two pretty big reasons:

1. The Gobert trade was for our longterm improvement. I doubt by this summer, Connelly would have enough of a sample of their play together to publicly go back on his giant trade.

2. Minnesota doesn’t draw stars in free agency, and even if we trade for one, who knows how soon they’d want out? Towns has star level talent he wants to be here, and he’s under team control for four more seasons. I can’t think of a single player we could trade him for that checks those three boxes.

Agreed. If we move KAT what is the goal? Better fitting pieces+picks? What are the odds that any of those picks is a player as good as KAT? Maybe you can argue that we get pieces next to Ant, Gobert, Jaden that fit better than Kat, but I think we have to give it a legit shot.

Trade kat to get a starting PG that can play defense and make Rudy look better on offense , things dlo is incapable of. We have to trade Kat for that because how else will we be able to get a legit pg that can do that ?
Hopefully a few more prospects or picks included as well.