GT: Nets @ Jazz - 1/20 9:00

[MrDollarBills]

Also side note. Why does Claxton always miss the 2nd foul shot.

His first shot is perfect. And then he just bricks the 2nd every time. Teams are starting to intentionally foul him. Its not good.

i don't care. he needs to keep shooting FTs in high pressure situations. Just give me one point each time down for now. he has to build confidence.

[Tha King]

Kyrie was amazing tonight. He took this team on his back and carried us over the finish line.

This could be a huge turning point in the season. We just beat a good team on the road on the second night of a back to back. After losing KD it was an adjustment period. It took us until tonight for our guys to trust each other and now we have to build on it.

Seth knocked those two big threes. Nic continued his extraordinary defense and we don't win tonight with him.

It was huge win because the next two games look like what they are. After that though it's a winnable game against the Pistons.

Ultimately imo, this roster needs work

Kyrie, KD, O'Neale, Claxton I think that's a core four you can play major minutes in the playoffs. Warren is maybe another. That's five. So not a ton of work but definitely needs another player or two, with one being starting caliber.

[Tha King]

Also side note. Why does Claxton always miss the 2nd foul shot.

His first shot is perfect. And then he just bricks the 2nd every time. Teams are starting to intentionally foul him. Its not good.

i don't care. he needs to keep shooting FTs in high pressure situations. Just give me one point each time down for now. he has to build confidence.

and lowkey all those intentional fouls help the team anyways because they struggle generating fouls normally

[Hello Brooklyn]

Next 2 games will be very tough. But the next 3 are winnable.

Thats why you don't lose to the Spurs/OKC/Suns. We would be fine if we just beat the teams we were supposed to.

Now the pressure is so high. Our offense is just horrible without KD. Nobody can really create a shot besides Kyrie.

We can't ask him to score 50 every night.

This is why I'm ready to trade Simmons. His defense is not worth the 0 he gives us on offense.

I would trade him for Kuzma right now if possible.

[Tha King]

Next 2 games will be very tough. But the next 3 are winnable.

Thats why you don't lose to the Spurs/OKC/Suns. We would be fine if we just beat the teams we were supposed to.

Now the pressure is so high. Our offense is just horrible without KD. Nobody can really create a shot besides Kyrie.

We can't ask him to score 50 every night.

This is why I'm ready to trade Simmons. His defense is not worth the 0 he gives us on offense.

I would trade him for Kuzma right now if possible.

agree.

It's a scoring league now and I don't think it's realistic to expect KD and Kyrie to consistently drop 30+ 40+ to win playoff games.

Beyond Giannia/Middleton, the Bucks have Jrue, Portis, and Lopez that can give you 20+ in any game and they are all playable to elite defensively

Celtics with Smart, White, and Brogdon

Sixers with Harris, Maxey, Melton

etc.

[GTR11]

Next 2 games will be very tough. But the next 3 are winnable.

Thats why you don't lose to the Spurs/OKC/Suns. We would be fine if we just beat the teams we were supposed to.

Now the pressure is so high. Our offense is just horrible without KD. Nobody can really create a shot besides Kyrie.

We can't ask him to score 50 every night.

This is why I'm ready to trade Simmons. His defense is not worth the 0 he gives us on offense.

I would trade him for Kuzma right now if possible.

Have you seen how much improvement came from getting rid of Steve Trash and replacing them.

You can have 5 MJ's and still get your azz kicked. Until legit person will come and put things together, we will be crying and nit picking some random crap.

All this could've been fixed long time ago.

You won't get better players. Other teams have assets too, some much more attractive. Location can only take you this far.

[GTR11]

Also side note. Why does Claxton always miss the 2nd foul shot.

His first shot is perfect. And then he just bricks the 2nd every time. Teams are starting to intentionally foul him. Its not good.

i don't care. he needs to keep shooting FTs in high pressure situations. Just give me one point each time down for now. he has to build confidence.

He talking about situational fouling. However since league installed several rules his point not really that valuable. That's unless we talking about Ben. Who scared to get to the line. If he would do half of what Nic does, we wouldn't be talking about coaching, Kyrie, Curry etc crap.

He's that good.

Remember when I told y'all he ain't build for NYC. Soon he will be dreaming about Philthy situation. He think Doc throwing him under bus was bad, give it a little min.

These bandwagon trolls will give him hell.

[Papi_swav]

Next 2 games will be very tough. But the next 3 are winnable.

Thats why you don't lose to the Spurs/OKC/Suns. We would be fine if we just beat the teams we were supposed to.

Now the pressure is so high. Our offense is just horrible without KD. Nobody can really create a shot besides Kyrie.

We can't ask him to score 50 every night.

This is why I'm ready to trade Simmons. His defense is not worth the 0 he gives us on offense.

I would trade him for Kuzma right now if possible.

agree.

It's a scoring league now and I don't think it's realistic to expect KD and Kyrie to consistently drop 30+ 40+ to win playoff games.

Beyond Giannia/Middleton, the Bucks have Jrue, Portis, and Lopez that can give you 20+ in any game and they are all playable to elite defensively

Celtics with Smart, White, and Brogdon

Sixers with Harris, Maxey, Melton

etc.

yea that's a good point. We definitely need 2 more solid 2 way players. TJ is a guy that can give us 20 pts here and there and Seph can give you 20 only when he's really hot but other then that we don't have it. We def need a solid 3rd option. All we really need is for Ben to atleast give us 10-12 pts at the bare minimum and he can't even do that.

[sashaturiaf]

Next 2 games will be very tough. But the next 3 are winnable.

Thats why you don't lose to the Spurs/OKC/Suns. We would be fine if we just beat the teams we were supposed to.

Now the pressure is so high. Our offense is just horrible without KD. Nobody can really create a shot besides Kyrie.

We can't ask him to score 50 every night.

This is why I'm ready to trade Simmons. His defense is not worth the 0 he gives us on offense.

I would trade him for Kuzma right now if possible.

agree.

It's a scoring league now and I don't think it's realistic to expect KD and Kyrie to consistently drop 30+ 40+ to win playoff games.

Beyond Giannia/Middleton, the Bucks have Jrue, Portis, and Lopez that can give you 20+ in any game and they are all playable to elite defensively

Celtics with Smart, White, and Brogdon

Sixers with Harris, Maxey, Melton

etc.

yea that's a good point. We definitely need 2 more solid 2 way players. TJ is a guy that can give us 20 pts here and there and Seph can give you 20 only when he's really hot but other then that we don't have it. We def need a solid 3rd option. All we really need is for Ben to atleast give us 10-12 pts at the bare minimum and he can't even do that.

Hoping that TJ can become that for us as he gets more into game shape but yes we need more all round talent that can hold their own on both ends. It's a given we're certainly physically the softest team of any would-be-contender in the east. We are also carrying too many players that do one thing great, but are subpar at other facets of the game.

Durant really covered up a lot of our flaws on both ends. Hopefully his injury can end up a blessing in disguise, in that it'll spur Marks into making improvements to the roster rather than sit pat from complacency.

[Decipher]

Next 2 games will be very tough. But the next 3 are winnable.

Thats why you don't lose to the Spurs/OKC/Suns. We would be fine if we just beat the teams we were supposed to.

Now the pressure is so high. Our offense is just horrible without KD. Nobody can really create a shot besides Kyrie.

We can't ask him to score 50 every night.

This is why I'm ready to trade Simmons. His defense is not worth the 0 he gives us on offense.

I would trade him for Kuzma right now if possible.

lol

Simmons is our second most important player

We're -40 when he sits since KD has been out

Simmons is doing his usual thing & making ordinary players like Clax look good

Btw, have you watched Kuzma play at all?

There's a reason why Simmons teams win lots of games and Kuzma/Beal/KP don't

They simply aren't very good

[Papi_swav]

Next 2 games will be very tough. But the next 3 are winnable.

Thats why you don't lose to the Spurs/OKC/Suns. We would be fine if we just beat the teams we were supposed to.

Now the pressure is so high. Our offense is just horrible without KD. Nobody can really create a shot besides Kyrie.

We can't ask him to score 50 every night.

This is why I'm ready to trade Simmons. His defense is not worth the 0 he gives us on offense.

I would trade him for Kuzma right now if possible.

lol

Simmons is our second most important player

We're -40 when he sits since KD has been out

Simmons is doing his usual thing & making ordinary players like Clax look good

Btw, have you watched Kuzma play at all?

There's a reason why Simmons teams win lots of games and Kuzma/Beal/KP don't

They simply aren't very good

yea we gotta be honest, as much as I can't stand that Simmons can't get any points he is definitely an almost elite defensive player this year . He's been guarding small to big guys and he's doing it effectively. He might suck in the playoffs as far as not scoring but he will definitely help with defending Tatum, Giannis and all the other wing players which is what he is mainly here for . We just need at least 12 pts from him. And he has been a good passer/dribbler minus the turnovers.

[Papi_swav]

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The Nets seem to have found the way to make Simmons/Claxton lineup work. They clearly help us defensively. I think we need another guard/wing player that can create, make shots and play some defense. We also do need another big.

[Decipher]

Simmons is an unpopular player but he's a gun

It's really disappointing that he hasn't achieved his potential as a top 5 player but that's not how it works out all the time

Have a look at how many points Kyrie scored off from Simmons screens today

Guy is a weapon when he doesn't appear to be doing anything

[sashaturiaf]

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The Nets seem to have found the way to make Simmons/Claxton lineup work. They clearly help us defensively. I think we need another guard/wing player that can create, make shots and play some defense. We also do need another big.

I thought those numbers didn't reflect my eye test at all so I checked the numbers. Clax was a +29 and Ben was a +0, easily the worst of the starters. The fact Nets were a positive with both oncourt was a function of Clax and Kyrie, and possibly in spite of Ben. I think Ben did rebound well and his size always helps on defense, but he was holding this lineup back on offense.

Right now in KD less lineups I'm finding

- Clax and Ben lineups - treading water- a disaster offensively but can hold up defensively.

- Clax only lineups - very positive , Clax presence alone makes us an average defense. 4 shooters with Clax is also ideal in terms of spacing. Clax is simply a much better finisher inside than Ben right now.

- Ben only lineups - disaster, ineffective on both ends. Ben is good 1v1 but he can't anchor a defense, teams take it to the rim every time.

[Decipher]

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The Nets seem to have found the way to make Simmons/Claxton lineup work. They clearly help us defensively. I think we need another guard/wing player that can create, make shots and play some defense. We also do need another big.

I thought those numbers didn't reflect my eye test at all so I checked the numbers. Clax was a +29 and Ben was a +0, easily the worst of the starters. The fact Nets were a positive with both oncourt was a function of Clax and Kyrie, and possibly in spite of Ben. I think Ben did rebound well and his size always helps on defense, but he was holding this lineup back on offense.

Right now in KD less lineups I'm finding

- Clax and Ben lineups - treading water- a disaster offensively but can hold up defensively.

- Clax only lineups - very positive , Clax presence alone makes us an average defense. 4 shooters with Clax is also ideal in terms of spacing. Clax is simply a much better finisher inside than Ben right now.

- Ben only lineups - disaster, ineffective on both ends. Ben is good 1v1 but he can't anchor a defense, teams take it to the rim every time.

I had to check these out

The Nets are -40 since KD has been out & when Simmons sits

That's completely absurd

He's the Nets 2nd most important player & anyone who has followed Simmons career knew that this was coming

The Sixers were a lot worse when Simmons left & the same will happen this year

[MrDollarBills]

I still value Ben's defense, rebounding and passing. But he can at least be more aggressive going to the rim in KD's absence.

[GTR11]

I still value Ben's defense, rebounding and passing. But he can at least be more aggressive going to the rim in KD's absence.

Wishful thinking, if he will overcome that mental hurdle, he would be Giannis level player. That's top 3-5 easy.

I just want him to be somewhat close to J.Kidd during Mavs and PHX days. Respectable for just being able to score layups.

[Iverson Armband]

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The Nets seem to have found the way to make Simmons/Claxton lineup work. They clearly help us defensively. I think we need another guard/wing player that can create, make shots and play some defense. We also do need another big.

I thought those numbers didn't reflect my eye test at all so I checked the numbers. Clax was a +29 and Ben was a +0, easily the worst of the starters. The fact Nets were a positive with both oncourt was a function of Clax and Kyrie, and possibly in spite of Ben. I think Ben did rebound well and his size always helps on defense, but he was holding this lineup back on offense.

Right now in KD less lineups I'm finding

- Clax and Ben lineups - treading water- a disaster offensively but can hold up defensively.

- Clax only lineups - very positive , Clax presence alone makes us an average defense. 4 shooters with Clax is also ideal in terms of spacing. Clax is simply a much better finisher inside than Ben right now.

- Ben only lineups - disaster, ineffective on both ends. Ben is good 1v1 but he can't anchor a defense, teams take it to the rim every time.

I had to check these out

The Nets are -40 since KD has been out & when Simmons sits

That's completely absurd

He's the Nets 2nd most important player & anyone who has followed Simmons career knew that this was coming

The Sixers were a lot worse when Simmons left & the same will happen this year

Sixers are one of the best defensive teams in the league right now…

[NetsWorld]

I thought those numbers didn't reflect my eye test at all so I checked the numbers. Clax was a +29 and Ben was a +0, easily the worst of the starters. The fact Nets were a positive with both oncourt was a function of Clax and Kyrie, and possibly in spite of Ben. I think Ben did rebound well and his size always helps on defense, but he was holding this lineup back on offense.

Right now in KD less lineups I'm finding

- Clax and Ben lineups - treading water- a disaster offensively but can hold up defensively.

- Clax only lineups - very positive , Clax presence alone makes us an average defense. 4 shooters with Clax is also ideal in terms of spacing. Clax is simply a much better finisher inside than Ben right now.

- Ben only lineups - disaster, ineffective on both ends. Ben is good 1v1 but he can't anchor a defense, teams take it to the rim every time.

I had to check these out

The Nets are -40 since KD has been out & when Simmons sits

That's completely absurd

He's the Nets 2nd most important player & anyone who has followed Simmons career knew that this was coming

The Sixers were a lot worse when Simmons left & the same will happen this year

Sixers are one of the best defensive teams in the league right now…

Th Sixers have built chemistry with their core players healthy and developed a solid system. Boston lost a key player in Smart so if he isn’t back for them, the East will be decided between Philly and Brooklyn(assuming KD gets back). Sadly, from an individual standpoint, Nets always lost the trade with Philly because we knew what Harden was capable of; his hamstring masked his issues dramatically until he finally healed it. Simmons is too timid and he admit it himself by not being aggressive.

Edit—- it’s bit a mistake when I say Philly and Brooklyn because when a key player goes down, that team almost always never wins in the end. See Brooklyn two years ago with Kyrie and Harden. Milwaukee without Middleton; those injuries to key players haunt teams later on

[sashaturiaf]

I still value Ben's defense, rebounding and passing. But he can at least be more aggressive going to the rim in KD's absence.

Ben's size, defense, rebounding and passing definitely has value when KD is playing and we can afford for him to be a shoot only in case of emergency 5th option on offense. Even the clunky Clax+Ben lineup works when you have 2 guys who can get theirs like KD and Kyrie on court at the same time. That worked pretty well during our 18-2 stretch.

However, think it's not too early to say our initial visions of Ben + 4 shooters lineups as our 2nd unit just isn't feasible when Ben is 1) this timid and ineffective on offense and 2) unable to anchor the defense (this one I don't blame him for since he was never really a rim protector at any point of his career)