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Sidthekid87 wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:You dont pay 25m to one dimensional player. Trent lights out but value isnt there anymore at that number.
He has a desire to get better and is 24. That's the kind of guy you pay. It's either him getting 25 or Fred getting 32-35. I wouldn't give Fred more then 15 million if I had my way.
rapluva wrote:The Raps are not trading the core of OG..Siakam..FVV..Barnes.. Precious..Koloko.
GT
Slim Duck
Birch even Flynn
These are guys that are gone..maybe even Bo Cruz.. I just think the raps will trade GT and Boucher but won't get a player that can help us with shooting or creating..a cheap wing player whoch they will try and develop..
Masai hasn’t worried about optics in the past. He stuck with Casey through multiple playoff embarrassments and he also traded Demar who was universally loved.HumbleRen wrote:Brinbe wrote:nivisi9 wrote:I feel like management is actually going to be too soft to trade FVV which is so demoralizing..
Does anyone think there's a legit shot he's traded?
that's how i've felt all along. there's no doubt in my mind how management feels, they would love him back but the decision is in fred's hands.
and they'll only trade him if he wants out in the off-season/decides to go elsewhere and helps us facilitate a s&t like we did with kyle.
i'm with y'all though. the idea of having to watch them mess up their whole defensive scheme for the next 3/4 years (or more) just to cover for fred is not gonna be fun.
This FO are cowards if they’re worried about the optics.
Yeezus_ wrote:Masai hasn’t worried about optics in the past. He stuck with Casey through multiple playoff embarrassments and he also traded Demar who was universally loved.HumbleRen wrote:Brinbe wrote:that's how i've felt all along. there's no doubt in my mind how management feels, they would love him back but the decision is in fred's hands.
and they'll only trade him if he wants out in the off-season/decides to go elsewhere and helps us facilitate a s&t like we did with kyle.
i'm with y'all though. the idea of having to watch them mess up their whole defensive scheme for the next 3/4 years (or more) just to cover for fred is not gonna be fun.
This FO are cowards if they’re worried about the optics.
He’ll do what he thinks is best for the team.
nivisi9 wrote:Does anyone think if we seriously considered trading Siakam to New Orleans he could pull a package of..
Daniel's + Murphy + Lakers 1st 2023?
I think if so you gotta take that.
imagine
PG- Daniel's
SG- OG
SF- Murphy
PF - Barnes
C - Victor W (get lucky and win lottery)
+ Lakers pick prospect 2023
Would be quite the supercharged rebuild!
HumbleRen wrote:Yeezus_ wrote:Masai hasn’t worried about optics in the past. He stuck with Casey through multiple playoff embarrassments and he also traded Demar who was universally loved.HumbleRen wrote:
This FO are cowards if they’re worried about the optics.
He’ll do what he thinks is best for the team.
An once in a life time trade isn’t coming through that door to save the FO.
He was about to run it back again with Demar, don’t forget that.
Masai and the FO isn’t as proactive as people like to make them sound like.
Brinbe wrote:HumbleRen wrote:Yeezus_ wrote:Masai hasn’t worried about optics in the past. He stuck with Casey through multiple playoff embarrassments and he also traded Demar who was universally loved.
He’ll do what he thinks is best for the team.
An once in a life time trade isn’t coming through that door to save the FO.
He was about to run it back again with Demar, don’t forget that.
Masai and the FO isn’t as proactive as people like to make them sound like.
also traded lowry but was saved by dolan.
it's possible to give the management and coaching credit and also think they're not perfect/have their weak spots like everyone does.
HumbleRen wrote:Yeezus_ wrote:Masai hasn’t worried about optics in the past. He stuck with Casey through multiple playoff embarrassments and he also traded Demar who was universally loved.HumbleRen wrote:
This FO are cowards if they’re worried about the optics.
He’ll do what he thinks is best for the team.
An once in a life time trade isn’t coming through that door to save the FO.
He was about to run it back again with Demar, don’t forget that.
Masai and the FO isn’t as proactive as people like to make them sound like.
Zeno wrote:HumbleRen wrote:Yeezus_ wrote:Masai hasn’t worried about optics in the past. He stuck with Casey through multiple playoff embarrassments and he also traded Demar who was universally loved.
He’ll do what he thinks is best for the team.
An once in a life time trade isn’t coming through that door to save the FO.
He was about to run it back again with Demar, don’t forget that.
Masai and the FO isn’t as proactive as people like to make them sound like.
You changed the argument from doing things for optics to being proactive. I don’t think the front does things for optics. The Thad trade for example was optically horrible because the public has left digit bias and will think in terms of 1st vs. 2nd round pick and not draft slots. It also turned out to not be a very good move but that is besides the point. But I do agree the front office seems less proactive than I’d like. Though we have incomplete info what was available and when.
HumbleRen wrote:Zeno wrote:HumbleRen wrote:
An once in a life time trade isn’t coming through that door to save the FO.
He was about to run it back again with Demar, don’t forget that.
Masai and the FO isn’t as proactive as people like to make them sound like.
You changed the argument from doing things for optics to being proactive. I don’t think the front does things for optics. The Thad trade for example was optically horrible because the public has left digit bias and will think in terms of 1st vs. 2nd round pick and not draft slots. It also turned out to not be a very good move but that is besides the point. But I do agree the front office seems less proactive than I’d like. Though we have incomplete info what was available and when.
Nah, I'm not really changing it.
I truly believe Masai and Bobby love the idea of the "homegrown" story that FVV and Siakam have turned into. They like having them as the faces of the franchise and I believe they will do everything in their power to keep them here.
Brinbe wrote:HumbleRen wrote:Yeezus_ wrote:Masai hasn’t worried about optics in the past. He stuck with Casey through multiple playoff embarrassments and he also traded Demar who was universally loved.
He’ll do what he thinks is best for the team.
An once in a life time trade isn’t coming through that door to save the FO.
He was about to run it back again with Demar, don’t forget that.
Masai and the FO isn’t as proactive as people like to make them sound like.
also traded lowry but was saved by dolan.
it's possible to give the management and coaching credit and also think they're not perfect/have their weak spots like everyone does.
Zeno wrote:HumbleRen wrote:Zeno wrote:You changed the argument from doing things for optics to being proactive. I don’t think the front does things for optics. The Thad trade for example was optically horrible because the public has left digit bias and will think in terms of 1st vs. 2nd round pick and not draft slots. It also turned out to not be a very good move but that is besides the point. But I do agree the front office seems less proactive than I’d like. Though we have incomplete info what was available and when.
Nah, I'm not really changing it.
I truly believe Masai and Bobby love the idea of the "homegrown" story that FVV and Siakam have turned into. They like having them as the faces of the franchise and I believe they will do everything in their power to keep them here.
What you are describing is optically bad. Keeping Fred and resign him to a huge deal is bad optics. Good optics right now is a load of trades.
ATLTimekeeper wrote:Why would a homegrown star just be for public optics? That's good for the organization, too. Doesn't mean that they're here for the long haul. DeMar and JV were homegrown, too. As was Norm Powell.
HumbleRen wrote:ATLTimekeeper wrote:Why would a homegrown star just be for public optics? That's good for the organization, too. Doesn't mean that they're here for the long haul. DeMar and JV were homegrown, too. As was Norm Powell.
FVV is the face of the franchise and it's proverbial leader.
JV and Norm were never that. Demar got traded for a top 3 player so you can't really bring him up either lol.
ATLTimekeeper wrote:HumbleRen wrote:ATLTimekeeper wrote:Why would a homegrown star just be for public optics? That's good for the organization, too. Doesn't mean that they're here for the long haul. DeMar and JV were homegrown, too. As was Norm Powell.
FVV is the face of the franchise and it's proverbial leader.
JV and Norm were never that. Demar got traded for a top 3 player so you can't really bring him up either lol.
FVV is the face of the franchise? Since when? Scottie's in all the commercials. Pascal is the face of the franchise. FVV is the leader, but that's not for the public. They're not going to do something stupid because the public would be upset. Zeno already poked holes in this flimsy premise.
HumbleRen wrote:He's stepped into the Lowry role as the face of the franchise in terms of a leadership role and media PR role.
An undersized PG who wants a bigger role and more money despite his play falling off a cliff over the span of a year should be a no brainer trade then right ?
Watch when they don't trade him.