2023 Trade Rumors

zero24gravity · Post #41 » by **zero24gravity** » Fri Jan 20, 2023 4:03 pm

Lauri, Walker and ___ are untouchable???

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/who-are-the-jazz-shopping-and-who-is-untouchable-a-trade-deadline-primer/ar-AA16wXjI?pc=MDDS&cvid=4809c4d6d14f4198b2da2dd153f6f20b

red4hf · Post #42 » by **red4hf** » Fri Jan 20, 2023 4:27 pm

I believe it...... I think Jazz are looking at Sexton as Clarkson's replacement......

Post #43 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Fri Jan 20, 2023 4:43 pm

It's funny because I'm listening to the Monty Show and they said that the main reason the trade with the Cavs didn't happen earlier is because the Jazz didn't want to take Sexton, which I find strange since not only did they take him but also gave him a long-term deal. From listening to Ainge, I think he really likes Sexton. Having said that, I don't think is anywhere near untouchable. If Ainge will see an opportunity for an upgrade at the PG position I don't think he'll hesitate moving him. I think that more than anything, Sexton was a 'buy low' player that can build up his value and at that point you either flip him for assets, or you benefit from having a good player on a team-friendly deal. I also don't think Agbaji is viewed as untouchable.

AingesBurner · Post #44 » by **AingesBurner** » Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:28 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:It's funny because I'm listening to the Monty Show and they said that the main reason the trade with the Cavs didn't happen earlier is because the Jazz didn't want to take Sexton, which I find strange since not only did they take him but also gave him a long-term deal. From listening to Ainge, I think he really likes Sexton. Having said that, I don't think is anywhere near untouchable. If Ainge will see an opportunity for an upgrade at the PG position I don't think he'll hesitate moving him. I think that more than anything, Sexton was a 'buy low' player that can build up his value and at that point you either flip him for assets, or you benefit from having a good player on a team-friendly deal. I also don't think Agbaji is viewed as untouchable.

I don’t think Agbaji is traded unless it’s for a clear cut superstar trade, like Luka Doncic.

babyjax13 · Post #45 » by **babyjax13** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:43 am

Inigo Montoya wrote:It's funny because I'm listening to the Monty Show and they said that the main reason the trade with the Cavs didn't happen earlier is because the Jazz didn't want to take Sexton, which I find strange since not only did they take him but also gave him a long-term deal. From listening to Ainge, I think he really likes Sexton. Having said that, I don't think is anywhere near untouchable. If Ainge will see an opportunity for an upgrade at the PG position I don't think he'll hesitate moving him. I think that more than anything, Sexton was a 'buy low' player that can build up his value and at that point you either flip him for assets, or you benefit from having a good player on a team-friendly deal. I also don't think Agbaji is viewed as untouchable.

I think those guys don't have good sources, or possibly any sources at all.

babyjax13 · Post #46 » by **babyjax13** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:44 am

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mg · Post #47 » by mg » Sat Jan 21, 2023 9:02 am

Don't listen to Monty. He literally has no credible sources and is now trying to scam listeners into paying $10 a month to join his instagram page. Windhorst and others were telling the world last year about the issues in Utah long before Monty tried to take credit. If you told me Ainge had trepidation regarding Sexton's health coming off a fairly major knee surgery that would be more believable but Danny obviously got enough assurances on that front to give him a 4 year contract. With that said I believe they really like Sexton and Agbaji as they have poured in the development hours with those 2 and Kessler. Sexton/Agbaji are probably a tier below the untouchable list (Lauri,Kessler). Honestly even Lauri and Kessler are not 100% untouchable either if we are being totally honest. In the NBA the list of untouchables might be less than 10 players total league wide.

From what I heard there might be some real legs to this ATL deal. If a deal goes down I can guarantee yet again Monty will try to take credit when he is just parroting all the rumors that we can all read on the internet.

Post #48 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 4:06 pm

Yeah, I agree with the comments about Monty. It's like they see a rumor reported on RealGM, and then report the same thing, citing it as a "source." They're doing the same thing with the Collins rumors right now, and reporting it as though they're breaking something new as if it isn't in the news already. Then they say "we've been on the Collins trade since last season" when in reality there were news rumors connecting Collins to the Jazz since at least last season.

I still listen because they are going live in a very convenient time for me.

Hoops Addict · Post #49 » by **Hoops Addict** » Sun Jan 22, 2023 5:54 pm

Wiseman and Ryan Rollins for Olynyk is the rumor.

https://heavy.com/sports/golden-state-warriors/new-olynyk-wiseman-proposal/

Post #50 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:47 am

Hoops Addict wrote:Wiseman and Ryan Rollins for Olynyk is the rumor.

https://heavy.com/sports/golden-state-warriors/new-olynyk-wiseman-proposal/

Based on that article this isn't even a rumor, it's a trade proposal by Bleacher Report‘s Zach Buckley.

Post #51 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 1:10 pm

Some trade rumors around Beasley, who seems to be in high demand:

https://heavy.com/sports/miami-heat/cavaliers-trade-malik-beasley/

An NBA executive says that there aren't a lot of sellers right now, so teams will have to overpay. This is good for the Jazz, since they have a lot of players available who can really help some teams.

“It is a thin market,” the executive said. “You are going to have to overpay because there are not a ton of guys you can go out and get. … A lot of playoff teams are trying to figure out what it is going to take to get him.”

The Jazz are asking for a first-round pick in return for Beasley, along with a young player and whatever it takes to match salaries, according to Deveney, who hears that Utah is willing to take on salary beyond this season if it believes the players if acquires can eventually be moved for another first-rounder.

Deveney cites the Heat as among the top contenders for Beasley, possibly as part of a larger deal that would also bring Kelly Olynyk back to Miami for a package that includes Duncan Robinson and Caleb Martin along with picks and other young players. Miami prefers to hold onto 2022 first-round pick Nikola Jovic, according to Deveney, who believes that stance could change as the deadline nears.

Deveney also mentions the Cavaliers in a rumor first floated last week by Marc Stein. The proposed three-team deal would send Beasley to Cleveland, Caris LeVert‘s expiring contract to the Hawks and John Collins to Utah.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2023/01/several-contenders-pursuing-malik-beasley.html#ref=home

Personally, I have no interest in the Heat's offer. They'll need to include Jovic for me to be interested.

zero24gravity · Post #52 » by **zero24gravity** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:07 pm

Hoops Addict wrote:Wiseman and Ryan Rollins for Olynyk is the rumor.

https://heavy.com/sports/golden-state-warriors/new-olynyk-wiseman-proposal/

For the Jazz, Wiseman would only be a back-up center. It might sound crazy, but Olynyk is more valuable than the near-bust-Wiseman.

With that said, while I love Kelly's hustle, his D is not good and he plays small in general. Still, the man can shoot, and at an elite level for a big. (Which is why the Warriors could use him.)

Rollins is salary filler and would not add anything to the Jazz, so, maybe if the Warriors added in Anthony Lamb, who is a 25 year old old 2-way player with fantastic shooting splits (51%/41%), and is scoring 7.6 points in 20 minutes, it would be more enticing. (Jazz can include Juzang.)

UT gets: Wiseman, Lamb, Rollins
GS gets: Olynyk, Juzang

TBH, unless Kuminga (or maybe Looney) is in a deal, then I'm not very interested in anything the Warriors have to offer.

zero24gravity · Post #53 » by **zero24gravity** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:24 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:
Personally, I have no interest in the Heat's offer. They'll need to include Jovic for me to be interested.

I like the idea of Jovic, but looking at salaries, it seems complicated to make it work without taking the albatross that is Duncan Robinson's contract at 4 yr - $17m.

The only options I see that can work are:

MIA gets: Beasley + Azabuke or Bolmaro
UT gets: Robinson + Jovic
Taking on Robinson is ugly and I wouldn't recommend it. I would expect back a lot of draft pick assets to do so.

MIA gets: Beasley
UT gets: Jovic + Dedmon (2 yr $4.7m) + Martin (3 yr $6.5m)
3-for-1 swap works salary-wise, but how does this fit into the roster? Martin is a 31mpg player for the Heat currently. Would the Jazz still be able to get a pick with this structure, or would they have to give up more?

SoCalJazzFan · Post #54 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:34 pm

Hachimura went for Nunn and three 2nd round picks. Rumor was that the Wiz wanted a FRP, but settled for the three 2nds.

Not that I was a proponent of acquiring Hachimura, but the Jazz were briefly involved in rumors connected to him and could have easily offered Gay and the worst of BKN/PHI pick (will be in the mid to late 20s) and got him. Anything to read from the tea leaves of the Jazz not doing this deal?

AGE1207 · Post #55 » by **AGE1207** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:16 pm

I guess it means we just don’t want to give up picks at this stage.

zero24gravity · Post #56 » by **zero24gravity** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:21 pm

zero24gravity wrote:
I also saw this rumor, saying the Jazz may have interest in Hachimura.

https://www.slcdunk.com/2023/1/18/23561727/trade-rumor-utah-jazz-interested-in-rui-hachimura-washington-wizards

The Wizards are floundering at 12th in the East with the 12th highest payroll in the league. Just for fun, I've combined these 2 trade rumors into one 3 team deal.

Wash gets: D. Russell (MN), Rudy Gay (UT), Bolmaro (UT), 2nd pick MN, 2nd pick UT
Utah gets: M. Morris (WAS), Hachimura (WAS), J. Davis (WAS)
Min gets: M. Conley (UT), W. Barton (WAS)

Wizards primarily do it for cap relief (assuming they don't keep Russell), as they move toward a rebuild/retool, and get a couple 2nd round picks for their trouble. Utah unloads the 2 contracts of their oldest players, getting back a serviceable PG and a decent rotation-big. T-Wolves get the vet PG they need, plus some much-needed wing-shooting (Barton), while getting away from Russell, who they reportedly don't want to (can't) re-sign. The Jazz may need to provide a little more (swap or highly protected pick?), but the bones of the idea seem pretty decent, IMO.

Hachimura is off the table for the Jazz, as he was just traded to the Lakers for Kendrick Nunn and three second round picks. Good deal for the Lakers, IMO.

Hoops Addict · Post #57 » by **Hoops Addict** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 11:35 pm

with a possible bigger deal that would send both Beasley and former Heat big guy Kelly Olynyk to Miami for a package built around Duncan Robinson, Caleb Martin and a combination of picks and young players (though Miami remains reluctant to put rookie Nikola Jokic in any deals, a stance that could change as the deadline approaches.)

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Is it worth a trade, that would bring us picks.....to send Miami Oly and Beasley...taking back Robinson and pieces. Miami is not doing well.......they may be desperate for us trading them several medium players.

zero24gravity · Post #58 » by **zero24gravity** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 11:40 pm

Hoops Addict wrote:with a possible bigger deal that would send both Beasley and former Heat big guy Kelly Olynyk to Miami for a package built around Duncan Robinson, Caleb Martin and a combination of picks and young players (though Miami remains reluctant to put rookie Nikola Jokic in any deals, a stance that could change as the deadline approaches.)

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Is it worth a trade, that would bring us picks.....to send Miami Oly and Beasley...taking back Robinson and pieces. Miami is not doing well.......they may be desperate for us trading them several medium players.

Robinson's contract is probably the worst in the league. Still has 4 years on it. It is such a net-negative, that it would take serious talent &/or draft capital for me to touch him, if I were a GM.

Post #59 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Tue Jan 24, 2023 11:57 am

SoCalJazzFan wrote:Hachimura went for Nunn and three 2nd round picks. Rumor was that the Wiz wanted a FRP, but settled for the three 2nds.

Not that I was a proponent of acquiring Hachimura, but the Jazz were briefly involved in rumors connected to him and could have easily offered Gay and the worst of BKN/PHI pick (will be in the mid to late 20s) and got him. Anything to read from the tea leaves of the Jazz not doing this deal?

He's going to be a RFA at the end of the season, so I guess the Jazz didn't want to give up assets now for someone who will hit the market in less than half a season and have a bidding war over him and/or give a large contract. I don't have a problem with that. He's not bad but isn't a needle-mover either. And I also don't know why the Lakers went for him. Sure, they could use him, but he's not a difference maker and he doesn't solve their main problem of lack of outside shooting.

pickIBL · Post #60 » by **pickIBL** » Tue Jan 24, 2023 3:03 pm

Ainge looks at first rounders like markers from the john wick franchise.