APB on Paolo OR is he deferring to Franz

davey_wavy · Post #1 » by **davey_wavy** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 12:43 pm

Since Jan 7, Paolo has seen a dip in scoring while Franz has seen a nice bump. Is this because Paolo is just going through a small “slump” (not really a slump, more of me just being spoiled and expecting more) OR do you think he’s deferring to Franz? OR neither the above?

Since Jan 7:
Paolo 16.5 ppg
Franz 27.5 ppg

JF5 · Post #2 » by **JF5** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 1:21 pm

davey_wavy wrote:Since Jan 7, Paolo has seen a dip in scoring while Franz has seen a nice bump. Is this because Paolo is just going through a small “slump” (not really a slump, more of me just being spoiled and expecting more) OR do you think he’s deferring to Franz? OR neither the above?

Since Jan 7:
Paolo 16.5 ppg
Franz 27.5 ppg

Paolo has hit the rookie wall. He looks exhausted and all the extra defensive attention is making life more difficult for him. It's great that Franz has been able to pick up the slack. But Paolo probably needs a few weeks to a month to get his legs back under him.

Post #3 » by **SOUL** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 1:29 pm

He's thinking about Seattle

Nah but he started the month pretty strong. Rookie year will have ups n downs. He hit a little wall before a string of good games earlier in the month too

ORLMagicGirl15 · Post #4 » by **ORLMagicGirl15** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 1:35 pm

His shots aren't going in, he isn't getting to the FT line quite as frequently, he's getting a ton of ball pressure from the opponents, and he's seeing more double teams. I'm sure he's deferring at this point.

Post #5 » by **Knightro** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 2:03 pm

It's all about adjustments early in a player's career, specifically their first season and sometimes even into their second and beyond.

The player figures out early what he can do to get to his spots and make an impact. Then that gets on film and the defense makes adjustments to take those preferences away. The player has to make adjustments to the defenses' adjustments and on and on we go.

On top of that, Paolo has already surpassed his total minutes from last year at Duke... and there's THREE MONTHS left in the season.

It's a grind. It's perpetual adjustments. He'll be fine.

basketballRob · Post #6 » by **basketballRob** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 2:22 pm

Paolo's best position is SF. Franz best position is SF.

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drsd · Post #7 » by **drsd** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 2:28 pm

basketballRob wrote:Paolo's best position is SF. Franz best position is SF.

... and Isaac's best position is SF. Carter's best position is PF.

I am starting to see a trend; Orlando is playing players out of position.

Maybe Fultz can suit up as a SF and end this conversation for good!

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basketballRob · Post #8 » by **basketballRob** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 2:51 pm

drsd wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Paolo's best position is SF. Franz best position is SF.

... and Isaac's best position is SF. Carter's best position is PF.

I am starting to see a trend; Orlando is playing players out of position.

Maybe Fultz can suit up as a SF and end this conversation for good!

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Isaac can at least rim protect. Paolo needs to get even stronger.

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tooler · Post #9 » by **tooler** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 3:14 pm

1. Rookie wall
2. Franz on fire
3. Position, scheme, teammate, and rotation adjustments
4. Teams still selling out on Paolo despite Franz literally setting them on fire. The Pelicans sent hard double teams at Paolo despite him not doing much that game??

tiderulz · Post #10 » by **tiderulz** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 3:22 pm

JF5 wrote:
davey_wavy wrote:Since Jan 7, Paolo has seen a dip in scoring while Franz has seen a nice bump. Is this because Paolo is just going through a small “slump” (not really a slump, more of me just being spoiled and expecting more) OR do you think he’s deferring to Franz? OR neither the above?

Since Jan 7:
Paolo 16.5 ppg
Franz 27.5 ppg

Paolo has hit the rookie wall. He looks exhausted and all the extra defensive attention is making life more difficult for him. It's great that Franz has been able to pick up the slack. But Paolo probably needs a few weeks to a month to get his legs back under him.

1 thing i like that ESPN does that basketball reference does not. if you look at a players game log, it breaks it down by month which helps to see when a player hits that wall. PAolo has now played 39 games the exact same as he did last year. and for all that, he is still avg 20 ppg on 14 shots for January. his attempts are down since Jan 7, dont know if being tired or Mosely still tweaking lineups and offensive game plans.

and Im not saying he is Tatum, but if you look at Tatum's rookie year. 14-15 ppg Oct-Dec. 12 ppg Jan-Feb. and FG% was down like 7-8%.

my other concern, as big as he as and good an athlete, there should never be games where he doesnt have at least 5 rebounds.

tiderulz · Post #11 » by **tiderulz** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 3:27 pm

drsd wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Paolo's best position is SF. Franz best position is SF.

... and Isaac's best position is SF. Carter's best position is PF.

I am starting to see a trend; Orlando is playing players out of position.

Maybe Fultz can suit up as a SF and end this conversation for good!

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is it? he keeps getting hurt there. maybe him playing PF or C might be better. I hope Mosely tinkers with it to see

tiderulz · Post #12 » by **tiderulz** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 3:27 pm

basketballRob wrote:
drsd wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Paolo's best position is SF. Franz best position is SF.

... and Isaac's best position is SF. Carter's best position is PF.

I am starting to see a trend; Orlando is playing players out of position.

Maybe Fultz can suit up as a SF and end this conversation for good!

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Isaac can at least rim protect. Paolo needs to get even stronger.

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most rookies do.

Post #13 » by **Knightro** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 3:37 pm

All I can say is that there's some really misguided takes in here about players and their optimal positions moving forward.

pepe1991 · Post #14 » by **pepe1991** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 4:11 pm

Knightro wrote:All I can say is that there's some really misguided takes in here about players and their optimal positions moving forward.

As usual?

dsg2021 · Post #15 » by **dsg2021** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 4:25 pm

I had an insane amount of fun watching Paolo and Franz in the beginning of the season when all our guards were out of commission. So I will go a little bit contrarian and say that part of it is that we are giving the ball to our Guards too much (with all due respect to Fultz’s solid play). Paolo and Franz are the kind of players that deserve the ball in their hands very often, because they’re literally even point forwards. The other part is not contrarian, it’s what everyone is saying; the rookie wall phenomenon.

Max Power · Post #16 » by **Max Power** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 4:28 pm

Paolo will be fine, everyone goes through lulls during the season. I’m guessing Paolo plays a nice game against the Celtics tonight and gets back on track.

drsd · Post #17 » by **drsd** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 4:31 pm

tiderulz wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
drsd wrote:

... and Isaac's best position is SF. Carter's best position is PF.

I am starting to see a trend; Orlando is playing players out of position.

Maybe Fultz can suit up as a SF and end this conversation for good!

..
Isaac can at least rim protect. Paolo needs to get even stronger.

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most rookies do.

https://cdn.nba.com/manage/2020/11/giannis-rookie-now-1568x941.jpg

JoshuaPotter · Post #18 » by **JoshuaPotter** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:16 pm

drsd wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Isaac can at least rim protect. Paolo needs to get even stronger.

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most rookies do.

https://cdn.nba.com/manage/2020/11/giannis-rookie-now-1568x941.jpg

To say they did or didn't have a slump. I don't understand.....

JoshuaPotter · Post #19 » by **JoshuaPotter** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:17 pm

Gasp Paulo has scored less then 16 points.....6 times this season.

Yawn. Were so spoiled.

drsd · Post #20 » by **drsd** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:35 pm

JoshuaPotter wrote:Gasp Paulo has scored less then 16 points.....6 times this season.

Yawn. Were so spoiled.

And-1

In every game Banchero has ever played, he has taken a FT. He has eight games with 10 or more FTs. Another five with 9. Another nine with 8.

Banchero is a rookie and will thus be below NBA average in key advanced stats. It is no surprise he is a minus player on Plus/Minus.

Orlando did not draft Banchero to "rim protect". They drafted him to score. And boy does he score!

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