WT: Raptors have been offered 3 FRPs for OG (Smh its just the Knicks)

[YogurtProducer]

Man I am glad some of you guys are not GMs, 3 unprotected late round, potentially 2nd round picks? really? You think you can get a Defensive Player of the year or first team defensive player from that? Because that is what you are giving up. You need at least one high level guaranteed asset coming back, whether it is another player coming back or unprotected draft picks. Teams highly covet a player like this, and they are on every championship contending team, unless you get blown away, you keep OG and focus trading the other guys like FVV, Trent and even Siakam, whos skill sets are way more common.

I was led to believe the placement of a pick doesnt matter, whats the harm in sliding down to 2nd round picks? Masai will still draft in the top of the class, when they zig we zag, right?

There is a massive difference in sliding down 10-20 spots with a swap of picks that will convey a few months down the line (which ended up being 13 spots for us last year) and 3 picks that could range from anywhere from 15th to 60th 2-5 years from now. Why is that so hard to understand?

It is not hard to understand - but what would he be outraged by if he tried to?

[Jcity08]

Man I am glad some of you guys are not GMs, 3 unprotected late round, potentially 2nd round picks? really? You think you can get a Defensive Player of the year or first team defensive player from that? Because that is what you are giving up. You need at least one high level guaranteed asset coming back, whether it is another player coming back or unprotected draft picks. Teams highly covet a player like this, and they are on every championship contending team, unless you get blown away, you keep OG and focus trading the other guys like FVV, Trent and even Siakam, whos skill sets are way more common.

I was led to believe the placement of a pick doesnt matter, whats the harm in sliding down to 2nd round picks? Masai will still draft in the top of the class, when they zig we zag, right?

Literally no one said this my guy.

[pingpongrac]

Its very convenient when a pick matters and when it doesn't, Ill remember that when Im told Im overreacting or to not believe what my eyes are telling me.

Of course it matters when a pick you're trading for is likely to convey. Are you seriously denying that fact?

In the most simple way possible...

Trading a 1st (that was likely to be mid teens/early 20s with lottery protections to be safe) for a 2nd (that was all but guaranteed to be in the 31-35 range) last year was a very small risk. Trading OG (who clearly has significantly more value than Dragic and was rumoured to have been worth the 7th pick + more this past summer) for 3 picks that could all end up being mid-to-late 1sts or 2nds a few years down the road would an extremely high risk.

Thats all well and fine, how you evaluate risk is up to you, as long as I don't get to hear how stupid we are for worrying about trading our first for Thad & a 2nd.

Or tell me the draft is a crapshoot, as an argument against tanking, when whatever return we hypothetical get for OG is a crapshoot or signing pieces like the oft injured OPJ is also a crapshoot.

Im just tired of the hoiler than thou attitude.

It's not how I evaluate risk. It's how most people (and probably NBA organizations) evaluate risk. If you know something has a high probability of happening in the short term – like how the Pistons were 12-42 and dead last at the deadline last season, so it was safe to assume they would remain near the bottom of the league which would mean the pick would be in the low 30s – it's a calculated risk with very little room to blowup in your face. It's even less of a risk when you consider the 1st we traded away was a lottery-protected pick.

The mystery bag of those three "1sts" all have various protections and stipulations which opens up a whole realm of possibilities that are mostly negative. It could work out well and we could get three picks in the 15-25 range, or it could work out decently and we get a couple picks in the 15-25 range and one early 2nd or it could work out terribly and we get three picks in the 31-44 range for OG. The difference is staggering, especially considering OG is significantly more valuable than Dragic and 13 spots in the draft. It becomes an even greater risk when you take into consideration how long it might be before anything conveys.

[bboyskinnylegs]

probably the Knicks, maybe the Thunder

I Dom't know the Thunder's level of interest in any of our guys, but they might be tempted to unload a bit of their picks' cache to accelerate the rebuild, what with Shai and Lu Dort giving them a taste of respectability right now.

the issue with the Thunder is making salaries match. They have SGA making 35M, Dort making 15M, Chet 9.8M, Giddey 6.3M, and everyone else is <4.5M each. So assuming they don't want to include SGA or Dort in a trade, there's not much to work with unless they're willing to include Chet in a deal (which, maybe they are, who knows). Something like Chet+Bazley+(plus draft compensation?) or Chet+Giddey for O.G. works, though I don't know if OKC is willing to give up their recent #2 pick or mess with going into the tax.

[Jcity08]

Of course it matters when a pick you're trading for is likely to convey. Are you seriously denying that fact?

In the most simple way possible...

Trading a 1st (that was likely to be mid teens/early 20s with lottery protections to be safe) for a 2nd (that was all but guaranteed to be in the 31-35 range) last year was a very small risk. Trading OG (who clearly has significantly more value than Dragic and was rumoured to have been worth the 7th pick + more this past summer) for 3 picks that could all end up being mid-to-late 1sts or 2nds a few years down the road would an extremely high risk.

Thats all well and fine, how you evaluate risk is up to you, as long as I don't get to hear how stupid we are for worrying about trading our first for Thad & a 2nd.

Or tell me the draft is a crapshoot, as an argument against tanking, when whatever return we hypothetical get for OG is a crapshoot or signing pieces like the oft injured OPJ is also a crapshoot.

Im just tired of the hoiler than thou attitude.

It's not how I evaluate risk. It's how most people (and probably NBA organizations) evaluate risk. If you know something has a high probability of happening in the short term – like how the Pistons were 12-42 and dead last at the deadline last season, so it was safe to assume they would remain near the bottom of the league which would mean the pick would be in the low 30s – it's a calculated risk with very little room to blowup in your face. It's even less of a risk when you consider the 1st we traded away was a lottery-protected pick.

The mystery bag of those three "1sts" all have various protections and stipulations which opens up a whole realm of possibilities that are mostly negative. It could work out well and we could get three picks in the 15-25 range, or it could work out decently and we get a couple picks in the 15-25 range and one early 2nd or it could work out terribly and we get three picks in the 31-44 range for OG. The difference is staggering, especially considering OG is significantly more valuable than Dragic and 13 spots in the draft. It becomes an even greater risk when you take into consideration how long it might be before anything conveys.

I understand how picks convey and how pick protections work, thats not the problem. You can have your margin of acceptable risk, my issue is with the gaslighting and vilifying over the years on this board of people who value the lottery or trading assets for multiple picks and think even with protections that might not convey are an acceptable margin of risk for them and now that we have multiple players whose contract options are triggering, our team record is in the toilet, lottery seems likely and that offers are coming in for our players, the tune is changing. Its nice to see I guess.

[Merit]

Raps have never not paid their own stars under Masai. If we move OG it’s a scorched earth rebuild. OG, pascal and Scottie are the 3 true untouchables with Fred in that next tier imo.

[dgr81]

Raps have never not paid their own stars under Masai. If we move OG it’s a scorched earth rebuild. OG, pascal and Scottie are the 3 true untouchables with Fred in that next tier imo.

after the KD drama this summer, Scottie is Masai's only untouchable

[mtcan]

Raps have never not paid their own stars under Masai. If we move OG it’s a scorched earth rebuild. OG, pascal and Scottie are the 3 true untouchables with Fred in that next tier imo.

Scottie, Koloko and Precious are the only ones who should be considered untouchable. If the right haul comes along for Pascal...he gone!!

[KL78192020]

Man I am glad some of you guys are not GMs, 3 unprotected late round, potentially 2nd round picks? really? You think you can get a Defensive Player of the year or first team defensive player from that? Because that is what you are giving up. You need at least one high level guaranteed asset coming back, whether it is another player coming back or unprotected draft picks. Teams highly covet a player like this, and they are on every championship contending team, unless you get blown away, you keep OG and focus trading the other guys like FVV, Trent and even Siakam, whos skill sets are way more common.

I was led to believe the placement of a pick doesnt matter, whats the harm in sliding down to 2nd round picks? Masai will still draft in the top of the class, when they zig we zag, right?

Literally no one said this my guy.

You literally said it wasn't a big deal to drop from 20 to 33 in the Thad trade. So whats the big deal?

[JN]

I think we might be able to get more "draft" value for and OG or Siakam on draft night rather than at the trade deadline.

Right now teams that would trade draft picks are generally contenders. We could potentially get high value draft picks from them, but those would be from unprotected picks vesting in 3-4 years which are a total mystery and a long ways away.

Lotto teams right now are not going to trade their pick in the regular season especially with the top 3 the way it is. They will try to increase their lotto balls and see how lotto plays out. But they might on draft night if its #5 or lower -- like Portland last year. And those picks could be the biggest part of a package of another pick and / or young player.

Getting 3 protected picks from New York is not that much value -- basically OKC gave up those picks for the #11 pick in the 2022 draft. I think OG is worth more than #11.

[deck]

Without knowing which teams picks are being offered it is difficult to evaluate this. I do think if we are contemplating a rebuild, then OG and Siakam trades need to be considered. Likely we get better value though trading in the off-season.

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[Dyehardrapsfan]

Keeping OG, Pascal and Scottie in the starting rotation is not effective. One has to go? OG is great defensively but is an inconsistent shooter so you can’t make him the starting shooting guard.

One has to go?

Move OG for affordable talent and picks

[Mak]

Pacers have the picks and cap space to take OG’s contract. His past in Indiana would probably interest them.

Memphis has picks too and Danny Greens salary to trade. Will need to add more.

[Clutch0z24]

At this point if you can get 3 legit FRP for OG and 4 FRPs for Siakam just do it already....If OG really wants out Siakam and FVVs time here is also limited....Try and also trade Fred for W/e we can get ....Start the rebuild with Scottie and trust Masai to put together a powerhouse with a boat load of draft picks.

[hyper316]

I would entertain a rookie prospect like Sharpe + 3 FRP from Portland, or Murphy/Herb +3 FRP from NO

Screw the Knicks, even when we are tanking I want raps to beat knicks

[ImaBeatDatAzz]

best one is OG to pelicans for daniels, murphy, LA pick

follow up trades:
Pascal to blazers for simons, sharpe, hart
FVV to Orlando for Mo bamba, Cole Anthony, pick

here are your trades Masai :]

[YogurtProducer]

I was led to believe the placement of a pick doesnt matter, whats the harm in sliding down to 2nd round picks? Masai will still draft in the top of the class, when they zig we zag, right?

Literally no one said this my guy.

You literally said it wasn't a big deal to drop from 20 to 33 in the Thad trade. So whats the big deal?

Are we going to act like the 13 spot drop from 20 to 33 is the same as a 13 spot difference between a late 1st (25-30) and a lottery first (5-15th)?. Come on man.

[bboyskinnylegs]

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[CANsportsguru]

best one is OG to pelicans for daniels, murphy, LA pick

follow up trades:
Pascal to blazers for simons, sharpe, hart
FVV to Orlando for Mo bamba, Cole Anthony, pick

here are your trades Masai :]

There's little chance New Orleans will trade the LAL pick before the draft (but I'd do that deal in a heartbeat). I would think Pascal would be worth ALOT more than that (He's an Elite two way player). Why would Orlando make that trade? Teams that trade for Pascal, FVV or OG will have playoff aspirations. Golden State would make sense for as a trade partner so would the Lakers if they are willing to give up some FRPs.